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On the upside, every single Shitecast model is truly unique and completely different from the rest in the way it's absolutely awful. Nobody else will have a model that has his axe bent at the exact same angle, or the same amount of bubbles on his face, or the shield warped the exact same way, or the mold slipped several milimiters in the exact same direction, or parts that don't fit in the exact same way as yours.
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"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
Snrub wrote: About fething time they MtO'd the Breaking of the Fellowship. Been waiting for this for ages. Although i'm not really happy that'll it'll probably be $110+.
Can't say i'm overly enamoured with this drip feed style MtO they're currently doing. I didn't order Gandlaf/Final Fate of the Witch-king on a hunch that they might release more. I was right, but it's annoying cause it means I don't know if they'll do another one next week, how much do I need to budget for them all. They just drop them all at once you buggers.
It was also in the April 2019 Made to Order. I think the price then was just over £40, not sure how that converts with current GW conversion but can also expect a slight uplift on that.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I haven't watched it, only seen screenshots - and have heard its dialogue is pretty terrible...
but man, I wouldn't mind having some of the Numenoreans from Ring of Power as minis.
Show quality aside (I expected to dislike it and now the show has converted me, I quite like it), it is _wonderful_ to see all new WETA designs for Middle-earth and yes every episode I find myself wishing there were minatures coming out for them... especially ESPECIALLY the orcs.
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The show really lost me at episode three. That awful, awkward as hell horse riding scene with galadriel. And somebody made me watch that scene with her in the cell with the four guards.. That's a billion dollar quality show right there..
Anyway, I'm confused, doesn't the breaking of the fellowship happen at amon hen? I got the amon hen set a couple of years ago on mto. I'm confused as to why they have 2 sets representing events so close together?
Anyway, I'm confused, doesn't the breaking of the fellowship happen at amon hen? I got the amon hen set a couple of years ago on mto. I'm confused as to why they have 2 sets representing events so close together?
Money, dear boy.
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
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chaos0xomega wrote: Has there been any definitive word about whether or not GW will be doing Rings of Power minis?
I don't think they're ever going to give us a definitive word. They just sort of set the idea to the side on their livestream, and I expect that may well be the last you ever hear a GW employee mention Rings of Power.
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Rings of Power is produced under a separate licence from the New Line (WB) movie series.
GW's licence came from a confusing combination of New Line and Middle Earth Enterprises. Just to confuse things further, Middle Earth Enterprises has just been purchased by Embracer Group, which looks to be building a vertically integrated entertainment group consisting of comic book publishers, video game developers/publishers, movie production studios and most recently Asmodee - the largest board game publishers in the world. Most future board gaming/miniature licences (not existing ones) are likely to go to Asmodee in the first instance with maybe the odd specifically licenced item being allowed to be published elsewhere. Part of Asmodee is Fantasy Flight, which we'll all remember used to be a close licensor of GW IP until both parties abrupted ended their relationship in 2016, rumours suggesting that it was because of Fantasy Flight moving into competing miniature games such as X-Wing.
So I think it's fair to say that it's unlikely that GW are going to be getting a licence for Rings of Power or be making miniatures for it any time soon. Which is probably a good thing.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Rings of Power licence is forced upon Atomic Mass Games by Asmodee as they appear to be Asmodee's preferred miniature game producer nowadays.
Anyway, I'm confused, doesn't the breaking of the fellowship happen at amon hen? I got the amon hen set a couple of years ago on mto. I'm confused as to why they have 2 sets representing events so close together?
Money, dear boy.
Aye true but really? Here's the fellowship from these scenes in the film, and heres another fellowship from a few scenes later! Makes no sense.
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Londinium wrote: Rings of Power is produced under a separate licence from the New Line (WB) movie series.
GW's licence came from a confusing combination of New Line and Middle Earth Enterprises. Just to confuse things further, Middle Earth Enterprises has just been purchased by Embracer Group, which looks to be building a vertically integrated entertainment group consisting of comic book publishers, video game developers/publishers, movie production studios and most recently Asmodee - the largest board game publishers in the world. Most future board gaming/miniature licences (not existing ones) are likely to go to Asmodee in the first instance with maybe the odd specifically licenced item being allowed to be published elsewhere. Part of Asmodee is Fantasy Flight, which we'll all remember used to be a close licensor of GW IP until both parties abrupted ended their relationship in 2016, rumours suggesting that it was because of Fantasy Flight moving into competing miniature games such as X-Wing.
So I think it's fair to say that it's unlikely that GW are going to be getting a licence for Rings of Power or be making miniatures for it any time soon. Which is probably a good thing.
I don't believe thats entirely accurate.
Amazon purchased the rights through a deal brokered between the Tolkien Estate, HarperCollins Publishing, and New Line Cinema/Warner Bros (as in the three entities are collectively together the licensors to Amazons production) - which is why Amazon is able to re-utilize film assets from New Lines/Warners productions, etc. This deal was basically only made possible by Christopher Tolkien stepping down from managing the Estate (he hated the Peter Jackson films and was not on good terms with WB/New Line) and the subsequent settlement of a legal dispute between the Tolkien Estate and Warner Bros/New Line. It was reportedly a specific requirement of Bezos that the Amazon production have access to re-use material from the films because he wanted the Prime show to be seen as being "canon" or "official" by mainstream audiences who identify more with the films than the book (I imagine that Bezos was also thinking ahead, as Zaentz Co was maneuvering to sell Middle Earth Enterprises, etc. even then, which will likely result in a Marvel Studios vs Sony Pictures style rights split - Bezos wanted Rings of Power to come out on the "winning side" of continuity, etc. rather than being seen as the "off brand" version). The Tolkien Estate on its own did not have the ability to grant those rights to Amazon (especially since New Line/Warners rights are derived from Middle Earth Enterprises rights rather than the Tolkien Estate), so New Line/Warner Bros had to be involved in the agreement for that to happen. Confusingly, that means that Amazons rights are indirectly and partially derived from Middle Earth Enterprises as well, via Warner/New Line - which is why Embracers press release indicates that it has a "financial stake" in The Rings of Power, because it will generate royalties indirectly via what I assume are royalties receivable by Warner/New Line and HarperCollins for their part in the deal.
GWs own licenses seem to be derived directly from New Line/Warner Bros, and *not* directly from Middle Earth Enterprises (essentially GW is a sub-licensee), which is why the copyright/trademark rights notations on their web pages all indicated all rights reserved by Warner and New Line, with the additional stipulation that ultimate ownership rests with Middle Earth Enterprises (now Embracer) under license to New Line/Warner. You will see this to be true if you look up previous GW press-releases on the topic, such as this one from 2011 (not their current licensing deal as it was renewed again afterwards). As you can see it states clearly that WARNER BROS (specifically Warner Bros. Consuper Products) has extended GWs licensing agreement for 6 years. Middle-Earth Enterprises is only menioned in the copyright text in relation to it having granted license to WB/New Line. Likewise, if you check the "licensing contacts" page for Middle-Earth Enterprises, you will see that "Merchandising Based Upon the Books" is licensed by MEE directly, but upon "Merchandising Based Upon the Films" is done via Warner Bros (you will also note HarperCollins there for "Other Book Rights"). Its also worth noting that the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit licenses seem to be separate items as those licenses are often called out separately on various pages - I think its safe to assume that, by extension, the forthcoming The War of the Rohirrim from New Line/Warner would also be a separate license that GW would have to negotiate and acquire (though I note that it is being published under the "The Lord of the Rings" banner - so it *might* actually fall under GWs existing license). Likewise, the Rings of Power would also similarly be a separate license that GW would have to negotiate and pay for, likely with Amazon. These are likely not things that GW would have automatic access to.
So.
All that being said, Embracers purchase of Middle Earth Enterprises doesn't directly impact Games Workshop (at least not currently), as GWs licensing deal with Warner Bros/New Line will remain active so long as GW is willing to renew it and Warner Bros/New Lines continues to hold licensing rights, which it seems they will continue to do because not unlike Sony's Marvel license rights, Warner/New Lines rights will basically continue to exist in perpetuity so long as they meet the requirements to maintain "currency" on it so that they can't revert back to Middle Earth Enterprises (this is why Embracer managed to buy the license for ~$750 million instead of the $2 billion asking, because the rights are basically in a patchwork of legal hell and theres no real way for Embracer or anyone else to generate a quick ROI, as all the most valuable rights are basically farmed out already).
I know GW has mentioned Rings of Power (and maybe War of the Rohirrim?) once or twice in official communication, but I wasn't sure if they had indicated that they will *never* do anything with it or if there might be more news in the future, etc.
Never knew that about the Tolkien Estate and the movies but I can see where they are coming from with MME. It's a shame the rights are such a mess as GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?
Tallonian4th wrote: Never knew that about the Tolkien Estate and the movies but I can see where they are coming from with MME. It's a shame the rights are such a mess as GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?
I'm not into all the legal stuff but GW did release a lot of stuff from the books that wasn't in the movies (Erkenbrand, Bombadil, everything Arnor, the newest book about Erebor during the war of the Ring to name a few).
Tallonian4th wrote: Never knew that about the Tolkien Estate and the movies but I can see where they are coming from with MME. It's a shame the rights are such a mess as GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?
GW have the ability to do anything in the Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit and the appendicies. So they have a considerable amount of material to draw from. And they really do not need to touch that..show. What they need to do is focus on rescultping plastic troops and getting stuff out of finecast. Get that done and you'll see a wealth of new people.
IIRC, because they went (indirectly) through the rights derived from Middle Earth Enterprises, GW has access to the LotR books and Appendix A plus the timeline. The Saul Zaentz licence was tied in some way to a late-69s/early-70s European-published version of the LotR books. The publisher was going to exclude all the appendices, but Tolkien himself intervened, begging them to include those parts at least.
So GW can include a lot, like the names of the Fall of Arnor characters, but not the specifics of the final battle, or the presence of Glorfindel.
Khamul is the exception, as he's first mentioned in Unfinished Tales. According to the old GW website (circa 2006-8), they got permission from the Tolkien Estate by saying they'd call him "Fred" if they weren't granted permission to use rhe name.
Tallonian4th wrote: Never knew that about the Tolkien Estate and the movies but I can see where they are coming from with MME. It's a shame the rights are such a mess as GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?
Tallonian4th wrote: Never knew that about the Tolkien Estate and the movies but I can see where they are coming from with MME. It's a shame the rights are such a mess as GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?
I'm not into all the legal stuff but GW did release a lot of stuff from the books that wasn't in the movies (Erkenbrand, Bombadil, everything Arnor, the newest book about Erebor during the war of the Ring to name a few).
GWs rights would basically be an extension of the New Line/Warner rights. By necessity, New Line and Warners rights include things beyond what they have actually produced thus far (I don't know the specifics, but I would guess they include the various appendicies and notes associated with LotR and The Hobbit) - hence the forthcoming War of the Rohirrim anime, ergo GW is able to produce things which don't appear in film. This would, interestingly, potentially allow GW the ability to produce content set during the same era as The Rings of Power, but it would be limited to whatever original content GW produces and whatever canon they could lift form those appendicies and mentions, etc. They would not be able to duplicate the likenesses or original characers, etc. from the Amazon show - and its likely that Warner/New Line would not issue licensor approval for such things anyway.
Tallonian4th wrote: Never knew that about the Tolkien Estate and the movies but I can see where they are coming from with MME. It's a shame the rights are such a mess as GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?
GW have the ability to do anything in the Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit and the appendicies. So they have a considerable amount of material to draw from. And they really do not need to touch that..show. What they need to do is focus on rescultping plastic troops and getting stuff out of finecast. Get that done and you'll see a wealth of new people.
There is no market for resculpted plastic troops that will bring in a "wealth of new people". The people who care about resculpted stuff are the existing fanbase for the game who have overwhelmingly already purchased all the basic troops they will ever need. The "new people" don't know and don't care one way or the other if something is resculpted or existing product, they will buy it either way. Beyond that, the reality is that the "knock-on"/"carryover" effect from The Rings of Power into Lord of the Rings is and will be miniscule. The masses want direct tie-in products that reference the latest developments in the fandom, not second-hand references to a 10-20 year old series of films. If you want the "wealth of new people" you need them to produce content for "that...show". On that note, we seem to have a schrodingers franchise situation where "that...show" is apparently believed to be bad or awful enough that it has no value, yet its also expected to somehow generate enough interest for a "wealth of new people" to come pouring through the floodgates if GW were to market to them. Both ideas cannot simultaneously be true. Its either bad and will not generate any interest or good and will generate plenty of interest.
Khamul is the exception, as he's first mentioned in Unfinished Tales. According to the old GW website (circa 2006-8), they got permission from the Tolkien Estate by saying they'd call him "Fred" if they weren't granted permission to use rhe name.
Thats actually hilarious.
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CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
I think you should see a number of people who would want to start, but won't because of the age old plastics.
But that's hardly true, now is it? Things can still be bad, but enjoyed by many. Look at the vast majority of Marvel movies.
The show is a bad, if not horrible adaptaion. And the ass writing doesn't help either. It does however look pretty, that i will agree on.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I haven't watched it, only seen screenshots - and have heard its dialogue is pretty terrible...
but man, I wouldn't mind having some of the Numenoreans from Ring of Power as minis.
Show quality aside (I expected to dislike it and now the show has converted me, I quite like it), it is _wonderful_ to see all new WETA designs for Middle-earth and yes every episode I find myself wishing there were minatures coming out for them... especially ESPECIALLY the orcs.
Same. Would kill for an Arondir mini and some silvan rangers. And some people are way ahead on adapting current models for the show.
Khamul is the exception, as he's first mentioned in Unfinished Tales. According to the old GW website (circa 2006-8), they got permission from the Tolkien Estate by saying they'd call him "Fred" if they weren't granted permission to use rhe name.
They should do that with everything else.
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The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: I think you should see a number of people who would want to start, but won't because of the age old plastics.
I don't think the plastics are the problem, it's how much of the range is still metal and resin. This causes a few issues in that Warhammer stores now stock exclusively plastic (bar a WHW and two flagship stores), it limits the range third party retailers can sell whilst offering discounts and the hobby has massively pivoted to plastic that metal and resin are seen as advanced materials thus not for new entrants.
I'd love to have those Breaking of the Fellowship sculpts; they are perhaps the best renditions of the nine walkers GW made. But if the cost is $100+, I just can't do it.
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I don't think the plastics are the problem, it's how much of the range is still metal and resin. This causes a few issues in that Warhammer stores now stock exclusively plastic (bar a WHW and two flagship stores), it limits the range third party retailers can sell whilst offering discounts and the hobby has massively pivoted to plastic that metal and resin are seen as advanced materials thus not for new entrants.
They could solve two problems at once by updating the old plastic kits to be more in line with the newer plastic kits, i.e. include the options for banners, captains, shamans, horns etc. Refresh the range, ditch a lot of the resin commander sets and make the whole game much more newcomer friendly. (want to get started with Gondor? Buy this ONE box and you'll have all you need for a 150ish point starter warband)
Anyway, I'm confused, doesn't the breaking of the fellowship happen at amon hen? I got the amon hen set a couple of years ago on mto. I'm confused as to why they have 2 sets representing events so close together?
Different poses - there's a ton of poses for many heroes and you can use what you prefer. Breaking of the Fellowship is just one of those vanity sets for those (of us) who love all the different sculpts and is no way required to play.
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=15007
Many of the earlier "combo sets" (pre-2005) like, for example, Ambush at Amon Hen, were produced for specific scenarios that GW made for events depicted in the films as they were coming out.
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Although i'm not really happy that'll it'll probably be $110+.
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~15000 Astra Militarum: 
~1200 | Adeptus Custodes: 
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~2000 | Sisters of Battle: 
~3500 | Leagues of Votann: 
~1200 | Tyranids: 
~2600 | Stormcast Eternals: 
