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So - hear me out. My plan is to use primaris models to convert into some Night Lords to try and start a force. The plan is for me to be able to create a chapter to operate under the guise of being the 'good guys' when, really, they're just a rag-tag band of Night Lords doing what they can to survive (A.K.A not being done in by a ton of SPAHEESE MAHREENS). I'm hoping to (with some fenagaling) be able to use part of this proposed force in 30k also. So, the question I propose to you all is what loyalist chapter do you think would be best suited to play this force as in 40k? I'm new to playing, but have been painting and modelling for a long time, so I'm hoping what talent I have accrued will be able to do my idea justice.

There's still a lot for me to iron out in terms of story, background etc. for this to be able to work, but I'm hopeful. If there's anything you think I should address when creating this background, please let me know as it would be greatly appreciated. An army list and such will hopefully be soon to follow, but for now, I need some input! Cheers Everyone!

Why not go directly for the chaos dex instead ruleswise and use the models from primaris base, which can work well with regular CSM in order to get the shifty wierd stolen goods look that you'd get for beeing a Night lord?

Raven Guard successor would probably be a close guess

If you're going to use the Space Marines Codex, I'd say run a Raven Guard successor Chapter, with the Fearsome Aspect and Stealthy successor traits.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Why not go directly for the chaos dex instead ruleswise and use the models from primaris base, which can work well with regular CSM in order to get the shifty wierd stolen goods look that you'd get for beeing a Night lord?

Mostly just because of the unit choices that aren't available for CSM - for example, I want to be able to use eliminators, but CSM (unless I don't know of them) don't have anything like that that I could even proxy for in games. I'm sure there wouldn't be an issue with me using this lot for CSM if there's compatible units, and it's definitely something that I want to involve myself in, but for now most of my modelling capabilites with what I have in terms of bits will make for a much easier time when it comes to making suspicious looking loyalists

 Alex-The-Heretical-Boi wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Why not go directly for the chaos dex instead ruleswise and use the models from primaris base, which can work well with regular CSM in order to get the shifty wierd stolen goods look that you'd get for beeing a Night lord?

Mostly just because of the unit choices that aren't available for CSM - for example, I want to be able to use eliminators, but CSM (unless I don't know of them) don't have anything like that that I could even proxy for in games. I'm sure there wouldn't be an issue with me using this lot for CSM if there's compatible units, and it's definitely something that I want to involve myself in, but for now most of my modelling capabilites with what I have in terms of bits will make for a much easier time when it comes to making suspicious looking loyalists

Are you sure you meant night lords and not Alpha legion?

because if you meant dodgy looking maybee loyalists AL is the bunch you meant, which also technically has access to a 24 " sniperlord.which would fit for an Eliminator, night lords are more about the rip and tear via fast strikes thing, meaning raptors , melee marines (especially reeivers? no idea the melee primaris with skull masks, ) would fit te bill alot better.
Also nightlords constantly have lightning playing along their armor.

The lightning thing is painted on in some of the fiction, in fact I think that is more often the idea than not.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Alex-The-Heretical-Boi wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Why not go directly for the chaos dex instead ruleswise and use the models from primaris base, which can work well with regular CSM in order to get the shifty wierd stolen goods look that you'd get for beeing a Night lord?

Mostly just because of the unit choices that aren't available for CSM - for example, I want to be able to use eliminators, but CSM (unless I don't know of them) don't have anything like that that I could even proxy for in games. I'm sure there wouldn't be an issue with me using this lot for CSM if there's compatible units, and it's definitely something that I want to involve myself in, but for now most of my modelling capabilites with what I have in terms of bits will make for a much easier time when it comes to making suspicious looking loyalists

Are you sure you meant night lords and not Alpha legion?

because if you meant dodgy looking maybee loyalists AL is the bunch you meant, which also technically has access to a 24 " sniperlord.which would fit for an Eliminator, night lords are more about the rip and tear via fast strikes thing, meaning raptors , melee marines (especially reeivers? no idea the melee primaris with skull masks, ) would fit te bill alot better.
Also nightlords constantly have lightning playing along their armor.

As much as I love Alpha Legion, I feel as though their lore is a bit more bland than their NL counterparts, who - to me - have a bit more substance and interest to them. I have a lot of love for termies and jump troops so there will be plenty of those in due time to flesh out the melee side of things (at least until GW decides to release some cc Primaris *cough cough*). The lightning could always be chocked up to faulty power armour haha

Nah ... Loyalists would never be caught dead with anything lightning-storm-thunder-tornado-tempest-typhoon-hurricane-or-otherwise-bad-weather-themed. Dead giveaway. Would never work.

Carcharadons. They are rumored to me Night Lords successors and look like Night Lords (not their armour but the actual marines). Not sure about traits and such. I don't play loyalists.

I had a very similar idea - though more from the angle of Cawl having already asked if he could use traitor geneseed. They'd be a deniable asset, sort of blanks slates made for striking terror.

I can't recommend a specific chapter because I think they could claim to be successors to several. But I also think that's the beauty of it - paint up one set of marines, change traits whenever. You're not locked in like if you had painted them as say Black Templars.

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Carcharadons. They are rumored to me Night Lords successors and look like Night Lords

The Carcharodons are pretty unambiguously the descendants of the Terran legionnaries Corax exiled from the Raven Guard before the Horus Heresy. Their chapter master even uses the same title ('Shade Lord') as the leader of those exiles, Arkhas Fal.

Spin=
'Primaris' founding chapter:

Knight Lords

Heraldry: Royal Blue armour (representing The Emperor) deeply shaded (representing the Great Rift) accentuated with lightning motifs (representing the swift application of justice).

Logo: Bat face (representing the ever gazeful watch of the emperor)

Truth:
Chaos marines swollen with power from years of self serving murder, atrocity and piracy

AKA the Night Lords


Motivation for 'switching teams':

Placate rebellions in Nihilis through 'chivalrously' sparing the lives of dissenters and instead submitting them to decades of 're-education' (read torture). Install a despot in pacified worlds that maintains order through terror, and extorting exuberant 'tithes' to the 'Knight Lord's Chapter' (read asset stripping).

All the planet's contact with 'Knight Lords' is lost whenever a planet managed by them is investigated by any other imperial institution.

The truth is it's just Night Lords up to usual Night Lords games : Accruing wealth, executing 'hunts' and committing atrocities without a care for anyone or anything, not even the Gods they empower or the Emperor they spurn.

 Duskweaver wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:
Carcharadons. They are rumored to me Night Lords successors and look like Night Lords

The Carcharodons are pretty unambiguously the descendants of the Terran legionnaries Corax exiled from the Raven Guard before the Horus Heresy. Their chapter master even uses the same title ('Shade Lord') as the leader of those exiles, Arkhas Fal.

Not unambiguous at all. A lot of evidence points to them having chimeric geneseed, probably from Night Lords and Ashen Claws (the exiled Raven Guard you mentioned). The fact that the Ashen Claws were pretty much renegades at the end of the heresy would cast doubt on a full chapter being founded on them.