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 Haasbioroid wrote:
Im in no way gatekeeping. I've still never actually played the game, I just got started in August. I'm only taking the position that at some point wouldn't you want your stuff painted?


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Like I'm honestly trying to figure out why someone wouldn't want there stuff painted. And i'd absolutely be fine playing with someone whos stuff isn't painted. But I'd also offer to paint it for them.

Some people just don't enjoy painting at all. Some people have limited hobby time away from the game table itself and spend that time building more stuff rather than painting what they have already built. Not saying I agree with these or not but there are potential reasons for people not to paint their stuff. As for the game not being the best so why play it if not for the aesthetics, the reality is in a lot of places it's the only game in town so people don't have much choice if they want to do wargaming.

I can imagine some people don't enjoy painting, but I don't imagine any of those people would chose to have an un-painted army over a painted one?

For me, hobby priorities are: Lore > Collecting > Playing > Painting.

Also, you don't have to paint the army yourself...

 Haasbioroid wrote:
Im in no way gatekeeping. I've still never actually played the game, I just got started in August. I'm only taking the position that at some point wouldn't you want your stuff painted?


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Like I'm honestly trying to figure out why someone wouldn't want there stuff painted. And i'd absolutely be fine playing with someone whos stuff isn't painted. But I'd also offer to paint it for them.

So you've written off the game as being good enough to play just for the enjoyment of doing so, with grey plastic minis, before you've ever even played it?

It's not that they don't want their stuff painted, it's that they don't want to do the task of painting.

 Haasbioroid wrote:
Im in no way gatekeeping. I've still never actually played the game, I just got started in August. I'm only taking the position that at some point wouldn't you want your stuff painted?


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Like I'm honestly trying to figure out why someone wouldn't want there stuff painted. And i'd absolutely be fine playing with someone whos stuff isn't painted. But I'd also offer to paint it for them.

I don't know how you can't understand that not everyone is ready to spend hundread of hours painting their army. While you might be attracted to the game for the painting aspect, not everyone is.
I personally was super excited when i started playing 40k, i painted almost all my 2k pts admech army in less than a month, and that was my first time painting anything. After a while tho, i just dont get as much pleasure from painting the same model over and over. I've recently switched to painting infinity armies since youll usually paint the same model 5 times max. I enjoy the variety.

 Haasbioroid wrote:
Im in no way gatekeeping. I've still never actually played the game, I just got started in August. I'm only taking the position that at some point wouldn't you want your stuff painted?

Wait, you haven't played the game, but you are certain that no one would elect to play it minus the painting part of the hobby?

People like all sorts of different things, for all sorts of reasons. I gave you several plausible reasons why. You can consider those improbable, but are you making the case they are not plausible in-themselves?

You seem to want to make the normative claim that since you (or I) would want our models painted, then surely everyone must also. That isn't a matter of fact, that's a matter of your subjective valuation.

 Ishagu wrote:
I can imagine some people don't enjoy painting, but I don't imagine any of those people would chose to have an un-painted army over a painted one?

For me, hobby priorities are: Lore > Collecting > Playing > Painting.

Also, you don't have to paint the army yourself...

Oh i doubt anyone would argue that Grey > painted. We're talking about why theres so much grey/primed armies on the tables.
as for commission work, 40k is already expensive as it is, paying more to get an army painted isnt something everyone can afford/ want to do.

 Haasbioroid wrote:
For the argument that some people don't enjoy painting...then I don't know why you play this game. The mechanics alone can't be enough to get you excited to drop a stupid amount of money in order to play.

Staring at a table of terrain with a nice looking army is a giant selling point.

And yes, you could play with sticks and stones and trash but why would you? There are better games to play that don't require you to do anything extra besides opening a box.

Maybe they are bad at painting and don't want to spoil their expensive models?

Maybe they like playing a tabletop game set in the 40k universe - there are plenty of people who are attracted by the lore first.

That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are countless other possible reasons.

I can confirm right now that the game is very fun to play.
It's most fun if your opponent is like-minded. What I mean by that:

If you want to push the limits of the system, against someone who wants the same thing.

Or

If you want a fun, thematic lore inspired campaign against someone who wants the same thing.


I will also add that the best thing about 40k, and what puts it above other competitors, is the sheer visual splendour of this game.
To put it bluntly, the 40k models are the best. Yes, those Japanese Gundams are great, but they are singular pieces. A well built, well painted 40k army on a nice table with good terrain is a visual treat. Other games can only dream of miniature lines as varied and beautiful as those GW produces.

 Ishagu wrote:
I can imagine some people don't enjoy painting, but I don't imagine any of those people would chose to have an un-painted army over a painted one?

For me, hobby priorities are: Lore > Collecting > Playing > Painting.

Also, you don't have to paint the army yourself...

Commission painting is expensive. I can fully understand why people wouldn't go for that. As for people preferring painted over unpainted models, you're probably correct, but in the real world it's not necessarily as simple as "I'd prefer these models to be painted therefore I'll paint them".

 Ishagu wrote:
I can confirm right now that the game is very fun to play.
It's most fun if your opponent is like-minded. What I mean by that:

If you want to push the limits of the system, against someone who wants the same thing.

Or

If you want a fun, thematic lore inspired campaign against someone who wants the same thing.


I will also add, that the best thing about 40k, and what puts it above other competitors, is the sheer visual splendour of this game.
To put it bluntly, the 40k models are the best. Yes, those Japanese Gundams are great, but they are singular pieces. A well built, well painted 40k army on a nice table with good terrain is a visual treat. Other games can only dream of miniature lines as varied and beautiful as those GW produces.

Agreed on the best games being the ones where both players have the same expectations of the game.

Disagreed on 40k putting out the best models, but thats subjective. I personally find infinity armies to look a lot nicer than 40k's just because each model is a lot more unique (you don't have 30 times the same skitarii model)

 H wrote:
I'm fairly certain the box is meaning that assembly and painting are required if one wants them painted and/or assembled.

If you want to take it another way, sure, but that isn't likely the intent of the message, rather, it is to convey the notion that the box does not contain painted or assembled models.

I find it hard to imagine that the box "seeks" to create an imperative in-itself.

Its a page late but honestly that message is just a CYA. they put it back there incase some poor unfortunate soul expected the contents of the box to already look like the picture of the finished model on the front.

Infinity models are definitely great, but an infinity army on the table does not compare to a 40k army overall.

In 40k you can have little grots running around giant Knights, Marine, hover tanks, Jets, etc all on one table, all in a 2k game. It's that massive variety of units that creates that impact.

As already stated, the rules do technically require a) You only use Citadel™️ Miniatures and b) that they are painted.

Keep in mind that just spraying your models white, grey or black is technically painted so that's as far as you need to go ruleswise.

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 Haasbioroid wrote:
Im in no way gatekeeping. I've still never actually played the game, I just got started in August. I'm only taking the position that at some point wouldn't you want your stuff painted?

Wait, you haven't played the game, but you are certain that no one would elect to play it minus the painting part of the hobby?

People like all sorts of different things, for all sorts of reasons. I gave you several plausible reasons why. You can consider those improbable, but are you making the case they are not plausible in-themselves?

You seem to want to make the normative claim that since you (or I) would want our models painted, then surely everyone must also. That isn't a matter of fact, that's a matter of your subjective valuation.

I'm not stating it as a fact, I simply said I personally can't understand why they wouldn't. And yes you did give some examples. Many of which were absurd. And no I haven't played the game yet myself because I haven't had enough free time to get to a store and really get involved with it, but I've learned the rules and listened to many hours of lore and have painted all of my army. I personally enjoy painting, and I can understand that some would not, or at least would be concerned about trying because it takes a bit to really find your grove. I've painted for three years now for boardgame miniatures but only recently started with Warhammer.

And maybe I'm coming from this at a weird angle about suggesting someone play a different game. By a different game, I'm thinking along the lines of like board games. I guess if you are just absolutely set on wargaming and Warhammer is the only game in town, then ya, play with what you can get.