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tneva82 wrote:
Space wolf models are what you use in space wolf army Really concept is simple enough even kindergarden kid understand it.

Again, you're completely missing the point. This has nothing to do with the rules. Stop bringing up the rules, keywords, and so on.

They are not Space Wolf miniatures. They are Space Marine miniatures that can be used in a Space Wolf army, but they are not specifically Space Wolf miniatures. I'm pretty sure the person who made the original comment would have preferred actual SW miniatures rather than just generic minis that can be used in his army.

I really don't know how much clearer I can make this.

Are people really complaining that Infiltrators aren't super blinged up, which is a complaint for Space Wolves minis to begin with?

I really do have to say that's a bit of a snowflake complaint. I play Dark Angels and it was of scant benefit to me to have two boxes of DA Marines that cannot be used in a different army if I so choose.

I don't understand what value having a wolf pelt and some dangly bones really provides you, but then again I really don't appreciate the aesthetic at all.

If that still bothers you, they literally made Primaris upgrade sprues for Space Wulfs so you can put all your lucky Wulf klaws and wulf pelts all over your models.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Wolves-Primaris-Upgrades-2018

As no one has posted it yet:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They are Space Marine miniatures that can be used in a Space Wolf army, but they are not specifically Space Wolf miniatures.

What the difference between a space marine miniature that can be used in a space wolf army, and a space wolf miniature that can be used in a space marine army?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

The Newman wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I'll be buying the pack, but yeah I admit the infiltrators don;t exactly feel very space wolfish, but I'll put the infiltrators in my storm crows primaris chapter.

Incursors are the closest thing to an assault troop that primaris marines have...in that they have exploding attacks on 6s as an ability.

Wheeeeee, assault units for primaris are so gooooood.

I hate to nitpick ... ok, I pick nits like an amphetamine fueled chimp but leaving that to the side, Incursors are not the closest thing to assault troops in the Primaris line. That honor goes to Reivers.

Pick smarter, not harder. Reivers aren't troops.

He said troops, not TROOPS. Totally different things.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They are Space Marine miniatures that can be used in a Space Wolf army, but they are not specifically Space Wolf miniatures.

What the difference between a space marine miniature that can be used in a space wolf army, and a space wolf miniature that can be used in a space marine army?

What's the difference between a GSC buggy that can be used in an Ork army and an Ork buggy that can be used in a GSC army?

It would have been nice if War Howl affected dreads. But I wish he has a buff for Blood claws like also letting them get 3 attacks on charge if he is in 6 inches.

Holy !

Ragnar is the true beast. 10 Str. 6 attacks at -4 and 2 damage each, throwing out a reroll charge aura and a reroll 1's aura on an army that already hits on 2's most of the time. Yes please!

Edit: And he's infantry. Sorry Ghaz!

Ghaz killed his dogs. Named characters can die in 40k.

Justyn wrote:
Ghaz killed his dogs. Named characters can die in 40k.

-Laughs in Captain Tycho, Colour Sergeant Kell and Celestine-

Sunny Side Up wrote:
What's the difference between a GSC buggy that can be used in an Ork army and an Ork buggy that can be used in a GSC army?

Easy: there is none, none of those exist, unless you count usage that require conversion.

Can we stay on topic please and keep things polite, thanks.

Justyn wrote:
Ghaz killed his dogs. Named characters can die in 40k.

They've gone too far now.

Wasn't he the only space wolf still allowed to take puppos as "wargear"? Used to be everyone could do that. Honestly, weird that they removed it, it was a unique thing that the space wolves had that (unlike giant santa sleighs ballerina werewolves and giant wolf horsies) kind of made sense for a codex-divergent chapter to do.

Space Wolves stuff up.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/18/space-wolves-new-rules-for-a-new-sagagw-homepage-post-3/

0 CP strat is fun, but the super-doctrine looks like garbage, even compared to Blood Angels and Black Templars (not to mention White Scars). Not to mention any random Marine (White Scars?) successor can get it turn one with Whirlwind of Rage.

SW 'super doctrine' makes us strictly worse Blood Angels. If you have a model with 6 attacks, we become equal to BA. Anything less than 6 attacks per model is worse.

Although you don't have to roll for the extra hit, so I guess that's something, but SW are almost always hitting on 2s anyway. I'd take the BA doctrine any day.

Very underwhelming.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
0 CP strat is fun

It is very strong, and is breaking the mold of stratagem that gives you CP requiring CP to activate in the first place. This one means even if you reached 0CP, you can still get some back!


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Sharpen your axes, battle-brothers and sisters

Ok official confirmation from GW, female Primaris marine are canon, at least among the space wolves!!!

Edit: I'm blind, apparently.

You didn't mention the extra-super-strong 1CP stratagem:

Use on a space wolf character, every attacks that roll a 4+ scores an additional hit.
I guess that means they can hit the culexus on a 4+ or something...

So Ragnar could end up with 20 attacks on the charge?

Quasistellar wrote:
Except it's not "unmodified" 6s.

Yes it is...

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
You didn't mention the extra-super-strong 1CP stratagem:

Use on a space wolf character, every attacks that roll a 4+ scores an additional hit.
I guess that means they can hit the culexus on a 4+ or something...

Yes, though Space Wolves already hit the Culexus on 5s in combat thanks to their Chapter Tactics, if that guy is really bothering you.

It's decent, but not super strong, really. Certainly no +D3 Attacks with a +1 to wound / +1 to charge/advance chapter tactic underpinning it IMO.

Bowie wrote:
So Ragnar could end up with 20 attacks on the charge?

More if you're in the assault doctrine. That doesn't seem to replace the extra hit on 6's. Making Ragnar have something between 10 and 30 hits in CC on the charge (the 30 is if every hit were a 6 which obviously isn't going to happen). But you're generally looking at 16+ hits from ragnar on average if you make that active.

 beir wrote:
SW 'super doctrine' makes us strictly worse Blood Angels. If you have a model with 6 attacks, we become equal to BA. Anything less than 6 attacks per model is worse.

Although you don't have to roll for the extra hit, so I guess that's something, but SW are almost always hitting on 2s anyway. I'd take the BA doctrine any day.

Very underwhelming.

SW is better against units with hit mods and is not wildly different.

BA
5 * .666 = 3.3

SW
(3 * .167) + (3 * .833) = 3.0

Bowie wrote:
So Ragnar could end up with 20 attacks on the charge?

Just 10 attacks, but he can cause 20 hits with those 10 attacks.
On average he will generate around 15 hits.
It is clearly better than +D3 attacks, it gives direct hits!

 beir wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
Except it's not "unmodified" 6s.

Yes it is...

Correct. I swear I looked right at that strat and still missed that.

In that case, that sucks.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
You didn't mention the extra-super-strong 1CP stratagem:

Use on a space wolf character, every attacks that roll a 4+ scores an additional hit.
I guess that means they can hit the culexus on a 4+ or something...

I can't think of many to-hit penalties that work in melee, but getting around them like that is kind of cool.


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I like that they point out the +1 to-hit from Hunters Unleashed as a complement to the super-doctrine that doesn't interact with it.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
You didn't mention the extra-super-strong 1CP stratagem:

Use on a space wolf character, every attacks that roll a 4+ scores an additional hit.
I guess that means they can hit the culexus on a 4+ or something...

This makes Rag a murder machine. An average of 15 hits or so. Get him near some Wulfen or a Wulfen Stone for an extra 1 or 2. He could kill an entire Boyz squad by himself in one assault phase with Honour the Chapter.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

SW is better against units with hit mods and is not wildly different.

BA
5 * .666 = 3.3

SW
(3 * .167) + (3 * .833) = 3.0

If you’re going to include the Wolves’ chapter tactic in the math, you’ll need to incorporate the BA’s +1 to wound, which swings things dramatically back in their favour.