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So the other FW thread is locked for some reason I want to express that I feel the pain of the person that started that thread.

Coming to 40k 6 months ago I genuinely thought that FW was a separate company making their own stuff for use in 40k. It wasn’t until recently that I realised they were sort of advanced models for advanced gamers that can read GWs mind.

It just ties in with other things I and others have said on other threads about PA and other rule supplements. We just don’t know that the point of them in until some one tells us I’m not going to lay down 25 to have look. Why oh why can’t the be more explicit about their product range

It was locked because it was three years old...

I think GW thinks there system as a feature, I still get forge world questions from people after years in the hobby.

And it’s still considered a pain in the ass to get stuff, since you won’t even know what things do often from there.
As well as often just being a here more marines studio has sort of set forge world up in a very strange place.

I feel they need a rebrand of forge world internally and externally.

I’d just add the FW models to the GW page and just say they are developed with the more advanced gamer in mind.they can keep the FW brand on them so you know they are the plus model range hence the cost.

Be they need to be more explicit in the product description, especially about the books. Even though it’s lots of money I think if they marked the main rule book and codex as rule set 1, vigilus rule set 2 and PA as rule set 3 and say the changes are there to correct imbalances in the first rules then I’d be fine with that. That all makes sense.

I really wish that they weren't so separate. Have all the rules together, and even merge the websites in to one.
The power bloat and inconsistency that comes out of forge world is annoying. I have quite a few forge world models, mainly because they look so amazing, but generally its a good way to end the fun for the other player if you use them.

I mainly liked forgeworld for their upgrade kits etc in the past, like their plague marines (now defunct with all of the new GW plastic ones), but they have great centerpiece models also.

The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

To be fair, I haven't played for a while, though when 8 first dropped Leviathan Dreadnoughts, Contemptor Dreadnoughts (during an expansion league, it was amazing at the lower points level) and my Spartan Assault Tank were all quite OP.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

Don't be silly. Everyone knows fw is OP. Resin is magic and always superior to plastic no matter how moronic a points cost gw gives to the unit. My fellblade is obviously far superior to 2.5 baneblades.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

Don't be silly. Everyone knows fw is OP. Resin is magic and always superior to plastic no matter how moronic a points cost gw gives to the unit. My fellblade is obviously far superior to 2.5 baneblades.

This was more my point, its very inconsistent. If they could all be rolled in to one, it would be a lot better.

There is a link to Forgeworld on the official GW website and through warhammer community.

It's not particularly confusing.

 Rippy wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

To be fair, I haven't played for a while, though when 8 first dropped Leviathan Dreadnoughts, Contemptor Dreadnoughts (during an expansion league, it was amazing at the lower points level) and my Spartan Assault Tank were all quite OP.

I mean, fair enough, but assuming without deciding that you're 100% correct that's three units out of how many?

 Rippy wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

To be fair, I haven't played for a while, though when 8 first dropped Leviathan Dreadnoughts, Contemptor Dreadnoughts (during an expansion league, it was amazing at the lower points level) and my Spartan Assault Tank were all quite OP.

And the way we know you're lying is by saying the Spartan Assault Tank was OP in any way, shape, or form, as that's easily a really bad model. Contemptors are also not OP and simply don't suck compared to the codex ones.

Heirodules rule the knight tier and always have.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

To be fair, I haven't played for a while, though when 8 first dropped Leviathan Dreadnoughts, Contemptor Dreadnoughts (during an expansion league, it was amazing at the lower points level) and my Spartan Assault Tank were all quite OP.

And the way we know you're lying is by saying the Spartan Assault Tank was OP in any way, shape, or form, as that's easily a really bad model. Contemptors are also not OP and simply don't suck compared to the codex ones.

I used my Spartan Assault Tank in two battles, and it was amazingly OP in both of those games? Used with my Death Guard. Not sure what to tell you.


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 Excommunicatus wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The only person whose day is ruined by me putting Zarakynel on the table is mine.

FW being OP is and always has been largely a myth. In reality, the rules are almost always lacklustre compared to what the main studio is putting out.

To be fair, I haven't played for a while, though when 8 first dropped Leviathan Dreadnoughts, Contemptor Dreadnoughts (during an expansion league, it was amazing at the lower points level) and my Spartan Assault Tank were all quite OP.

I mean, fair enough, but assuming without deciding that you're 100% correct that's three units out of how many?

don't get too caught up on the OP part, focus on the inconsistent part. There are so many models that need a lot of love on Forge World, and a lot that need to be nerfed, all of which would help for balancing if it was all together in same codex.

 Lance845 wrote:
Heirodules rule the knight tier and always have.

You dare underestimate the Gargantuan Squigoth good sir?

Spartans are just worse Land Raiders right now. If you think the Spartan is OP, then the Land Raider is OP.

Spartan is pretty decent, no doubt about that, but not OP. Definitely can be effective and is superior to a LR.

Barbed hierodule would be fine if it costs similar points to 2 regular battle cannon russ's. However, it costs more than 2 even though being techniqually inferior than 2 of them.

Scythed should be about 15-20% cheaper than barbed since its basically all melee. It's flamer should be 12" range as well.

Dimacheron is just a super-heavy lictor and should be cheaper as well.

Carnifex's should only cost about 60pts base since they are so easy to kill.

Genestealers dropping to 11 apiece, horms dropping to 4 apiece, and warriors getting a stock 3+ save would make tyranids ok again.

Note, they would just be OK.

FW stuff isn't inconsistent either, though.

It's consistently gak, rules-wise.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
FW stuff isn't inconsistent either, though.

It's consistently gak, rules-wise.

Contemptor dreads, Leviathans and Deredeo's would like to have a word with you

 NurglesR0T wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
FW stuff isn't inconsistent either, though.

It's consistently gak, rules-wise.

Contemptor dreads, Leviathans and Deredeo's would like to have a word with you

The exceptions that prove the rule. On a 1 for 1 basis there is more FW units that are gak then there are GW and there are more GW units that are OP than FW.

Being FW doesn't make anything special in terms of GWs crap job at doing balance.

Contemptors and Deredeo are not OP at all.

Leviathan generally isn't, outside of specific rule/chapter combinations.

 Ishagu wrote:
Contemptors and Deredeo are not OP at all.

Leviathan generally isn't, outside of specific rule/chapter combinations.

As in Iron Hands. Which makes damn near everything OP. So obviously leviathans should be nerfed for everyone. Including the inferior ones csm get. Because we can't be nerfing a loyalist chapter can we?

Kind of like how the only fw super heavy that got a buff in ca was "primaris"......