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Just a reminder that you may need to hack and replace parts to make these tabletop legal with the normal existing codex and rules.

Best example is the Plague Marine with Icon of Despair in the 6 Pack set….he has a small Bolt pistol holstered on his side with the arm holding the Icon. You need to cut off the Holster to replace it with a strapped Bolter out of the normal Plague Marine 7 Man Kit from GW to use it with the normal Codex rules…

And you may need to add some Knifes to the miniatures to show the plague knifes...because some doesnt have these.

Customizing Customizing ;-)

Anyone that makes a fuss about that sort of thing is a TFG not worth playing against, don't go cutting up your models for no reason at all.

This is a bit silly, but I find it also a bit baffling that the rules are not just updated to support this.
Like it’s utterly trivial.

Even in the age of no mini no rules it’s just so silly of GW.

If the Pistol is holstered it could be played as Index Plague Marine with Plasma pistol .
Other than that, what pandabeer said.

Apple fox wrote:
This is a bit silly, but I find it also a bit baffling that the rules are not just updated to support this.
Like it’s utterly trivial.

Even in the age of no mini no rules it’s just so silly of GW.

No Model No Rules, unless we decide otherwise, or flat out tell you to do a conversion...and sometimes there might be rules without a model.

His Bolt Pistol is a relic that's so powerful it fires like the regular Holy Bolter.

Also Plague Marines should've kept their pistols and the fact they've basically always had two attacks base instead of hitting like wet noodles, but here we are.

 ShortyPreds wrote:

Best example is the Plague Marine with Icon of Despair in the 6 Pack set….he has a small Bolt pistol holstered on his side with the arm holding the Icon. You need to cut off the Holster to replace it with a strapped Bolter out of the normal Plague Marine 7 Man Kit from GW to use it with the normal Codex rules…

?? Why would I need to cut off the holster vs just adding a boltgun?

And why do I need a strapped bolter?

ccs wrote:

 ShortyPreds wrote:

Best example is the Plague Marine with Icon of Despair in the 6 Pack set….he has a small Bolt pistol holstered on his side with the arm holding the Icon. You need to cut off the Holster to replace it with a strapped Bolter out of the normal Plague Marine 7 Man Kit from GW to use it with the normal Codex rules…

?? Why would I need to cut off the holster vs just adding a boltgun?

And why do I need a strapped bolter?

Show me the normal loadout for a Plague Marine with Plague Knife (on the model), the Icon (here as the bigger Standard on the model) and the Bolter (hmm where is it ?). The new rules are stating that Plague Marines dont wear sidearms anymore (GW WHYYYY ?????)...and they only use knifes and bolters. And that mini holster is not so big that a Bolter would fit in...and champions cant take the Icon so no Holster...And you dont need a strapped Bolter but in One Hand he had the Icon and in the other the plague knife so no place for a bolter in hand and it was the quickest way to take the strapped Bolter that has the strap going over the shoulder where the Icon is and the holster to cut the holster and strap the bolter to the place the holster was...quick and easy...you could always cut the knife and replace it with a bolter and put the knife to the backpack or side of the marine...but the mentioned modification was the quickest and safest without damage...

If you want to make it playable and 100% save (if there are hardcore rule nazis out there i also wouldnt play against) this is a way i show you how you could make it playable again...I have 2 Japan Boxes so One of these went unmodified into my collection but i want to be 100% save to use the rest of the minis and i customized one set to the rules in the active Dead Guard Codex. Nothing more :-)

This is like saying the Ravenwing biker in Dark vengeance who is holding a bolt pistol is illegal. Because he has a bolt pistol holstered to the bike as well as the one in his hand.

What does that matter ? Just say the holstered bolt weapon is a bolt gun, maybe a smaller bolt gun for ease of use ? No one is going to care or should care anyways. If its an easy change do it, otherwise just put it down to rule of cool. I don't see a normal player caring at all to make someone do that. That goes back to modeling every extra on every model just to make them crowded and busier than they have to be.

Can anyone recommend a good source for these in the US?

I don't get why GW fail to release these sets in the US when I thought we were a large market for GW.

 ShortyPreds wrote:

ccs wrote:

 ShortyPreds wrote:

Best example is the Plague Marine with Icon of Despair in the 6 Pack set….he has a small Bolt pistol holstered on his side with the arm holding the Icon. You need to cut off the Holster to replace it with a strapped Bolter out of the normal Plague Marine 7 Man Kit from GW to use it with the normal Codex rules…

?? Why would I need to cut off the holster vs just adding a boltgun?

And why do I need a strapped bolter?

Show me the normal loadout for a Plague Marine with Plague Knife (on the model), the Icon (here as the bigger Standard on the model) and the Bolter (hmm where is it ?). The new rules are stating that Plague Marines dont wear sidearms anymore (GW WHYYYY ?????)...and they only use knifes and bolters. And that mini holster is not so big that a Bolter would fit in...and champions cant take the Icon so no Holster...And you dont need a strapped Bolter but in One Hand he had the Icon and in the other the plague knife so no place for a bolter in hand and it was the quickest way to take the strapped Bolter that has the strap going over the shoulder where the Icon is and the holster to cut the holster and strap the bolter to the place the holster was...quick and easy...you could always cut the knife and replace it with a bolter and put the knife to the backpack or side of the marine...but the mentioned modification was the quickest and safest without damage...

If you want to make it playable and 100% save (if there are hardcore rule nazis out there i also wouldnt play against) this is a way i show you how you could make it playable again...I have 2 Japan Boxes so One of these went unmodified into my collection but i want to be 100% save to use the rest of the minis and i customized one set to the rules in the active Dead Guard Codex. Nothing more :-)

1) You do realize that there's absolutely nothing in the rules saying a model cannot be modeled with random equipment/loot not on its datasheet, right? Can't use it rulerswise, but....
Thus I could convert this guy to lugging a battle cannon around if I wanted. So a holstered trophy pistol is nothing.

2) I'll just look you in the eye & tell you that thing in the holster IS indeed his bolter.
It got wet & shrunk in the warp.

3) Oh NO! There's only 1 free hand to clutch two weapons.... Seriously, I'd probably just attach the knife as a bayonet like so many RT beakies had.

Why would you deface such an uncommon minature?
Just play it as whatever.. Such a minute discrepancy wouldn't bother anyone sane...

Wait! Plague marines can't use bolt pistols?

AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't get why GW fail to release these sets in the US when I thought we were a large market for GW.

These I would think are you try and promote and grow a market, more than supply one already established. At least at the start.

That is like punishing a good customer though, it makes no sense. These things wouldn't mean much to entice someone into 40k considering they'd need a ton of them to make an actual army. They'd sell well in the US, I know I would have picked up the plague marine ones if they deemed worthy to release them here.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't get why GW fail to release these sets in the US when I thought we were a large market for GW.

I guess the market isn't as big as you think and doesn't justify their release.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good source for these in the US?

Amazon.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't get why GW fail to release these sets in the US when I thought we were a large market for GW.

I guess the market isn't as big as you think and doesn't justify their release.

?? The other day people were saying their biggest markets was England and the US. So I'd assume its a large market. Could it just be they have no real logic behind not releasing it here ? Did they release them in the UK ? As I thought they only released them over in Japan, and I'd be kinda surprised if both UK and USA aren't a bigger market than Japan.

 ShortyPreds wrote:


If you want to make it playable and 100% save (if there are hardcore rule nazis out there i also wouldnt play against) this is a way i show you how you could make it playable again...I have 2 Japan Boxes so One of these went unmodified into my collection but i want to be 100% save to use the rest of the minis and i customized one set to the rules in the active Dead Guard Codex. Nothing more :-)

Well rule nazi's would have to be also TO's. As wysiwyg as a rule only exists in tournaments and generally those have sensible people being TO

Lack of bolter is btw only real wysiwyg issue here. Extra pistol less so. Or can you show how wysiwyg that pistol has also ammunition in it and not empty clip and ergo not usable pistol Trophies is standard thing for soldiers to posses

 Argive wrote:
Why would you deface such an uncommon minature?
Just play it as whatever.. Such a minute discrepancy wouldn't bother anyone sane...

Absolutely this.

I don't see any problem with assuming standard gear. If all plague marines are equipped with knives, and that's clearly a plague marine, then it has a knife. Sorted. Likewise, if the standard plague marine is equipped with a bolter, and that is a standard plague marine, then has a bolter.

It would be more of a problem if you were trying to claim he had a meltagun or other special equipment, that would really need some sort of indication on the model.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't get why GW fail to release these sets in the US when I thought we were a large market for GW.

From what's been said, it has to do with the production. They weren't being produced by GW themselves but instead were licensed items intended for the Japanese market and then they show up in the western markets.

Wait a bit. Series 1 and 2 were eventually released in the US, so I assume Series 3 will show up.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't get why GW fail to release these sets in the US when I thought we were a large market for GW.

Well I hope they do, as I wants them illegal bolt pistol and all.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Well I hope they do, as I wants them illegal bolt pistol and all.

Here in the US your local game store or comic shop should be able to order them through Diamond/Alliance distributors. I'm pretty sure that's where my local shop got wave 1 from.

Yeah we got wave 1 but not sure we can get wave 3 though, I'll keep checking though.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Wait! Plague marines can't use bolt pistols?

Only the champion is is allowed to carry such a powerful artifact.

So if GW change the rules and PM are allowed bolt pistols or are all armed with blight grenades your gonna chop and change your models again? This seems crazy to me. I played 2ed as a teen and have just come back and am fully expecting to use my 2ed models with the current rules. If I change a model to reflect the rules that for my pleasure and I would not attempt use a weapon in a battle and justify it by saying “look the model is holding it”. The wargear my army has is in my battle list which I would happily share with my opponent I’d they thought I was making things up.

I am painting up some old SM scouts as chaos cultists and for some reason 2 are holding eldar weapons. But in a battle they are auto guns as per the rules, what’s the big deal?

I also built some new deathwing terminators and I put the cyclone missile Launcher on because it looks cool but I may choose to save the points and not take that into a battle but I’m not going to remove it.

Fair play to anyone who is willing to alter their models to 100% accurately reflect the rules and the wear gear selected, I admire your dedication, but the opening gambit of this thread suggests this is a requirement of modern gaming.

And can I ask, does the phrase no model no rule mean if you haven’t purchased a predator you can’t just put a toy car on the table and say, that’s a predator?

Pro tip - no one even notices holsters or grenades or seals or medals on models.

The primary weapons are the only thing people notice and need to really be aware of; a holstered gun is just a handle and something on the side that is invisible at 1 ft distance (which is probably about as far as your'e viewing the table from when playing).


Heck needless to say most people don't even require modelling for things like grenades. It's just not even practical to expect people to have two full armies of marines/guard/whatever - one with grenades and the other without.



WYSIWYG has to be done sensibly and within practical limitations. There's nothing bad complying fully, just be aware that very few to no one is is going to expect/demand full compliance for many things. Heck there's loads of upgrades you can take which are internal body parts and such which dont' even have any way to show them on the outside of a model.