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So it's been almost a year since they entered the game in Shadowspear. But where is the full kit at? I know there are other kits/units that aren't (ie Gravis Captain), but those are characters to "push boxes" but now suppressors are only available in the start collecting box as etb with no option for a full kit.

I'm a little ticked off to be honest because this move is making me not purchase a product I would happily buy if available. I'm not a fan of etb units, I can't explain it but the etb inceptors ruined the concept for me

It's the same for the Venomcrawler, Obliterators & Greater Possessed on the Chaos side.

It was true of the Phobos captain and librarian as well until pretty recently. ...I think it might still be true of the Phobos Lieutenant, there's a stand-alone kit now but it doesn't have the same gear as the Shadowspear version.

Speaking of the Gravis Captain, from what I can see the Primaris Ancient is still exclusive to the Dark Imperium box as well.

Pretty much all Characters from the dark Imperium box are exclusive to it. It's annoying to be honest. Fingers crossed we get the full kits from Shadowspear before it's anniversary


Edit: I think only the Primaris Lt with power sword is technically the only unit that isn't exclusive to it anymore

 fraser1191 wrote:
Pretty much all Characters from the dark Imperium box are exclusive to it. It's annoying to be honest. Fingers crossed we get the full kits from Shadowspear before it's anniversary


Edit: I think only the Primaris Lt with power sword is technically the only unit that isn't exclusive to it anymore

Even then, it's a different sculpt.

Primaris Company Command bundle, eh GW? Gravis Captain, both Lieutenants, and the Ancient? Some kind of fluff like "Space Marine Companies are led by the most esteemed and courageous of their brethren. Captains lead from the front, while their trusted Lieutenants command other regions of the battlefield, all under the inspiring view of the Company Banner, borne into battle by an Ancient."

Let's not forget the Granddaddy of them all, the plastic Ork Deffcopta. I know it was technically available in the Battle for Vedros kits, but I don't really consider that a 40k release.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Pretty much all Characters from the dark Imperium box are exclusive to it. It's annoying to be honest. Fingers crossed we get the full kits from Shadowspear before it's anniversary


Edit: I think only the Primaris Lt with power sword is technically the only unit that isn't exclusive to it anymore

Even then, it's a different sculpt.

Primaris Company Command bundle, eh GW? Gravis Captain, both Lieutenants, and the Ancient? Some kind of fluff like "Space Marine Companies are led by the most esteemed and courageous of their brethren. Captains lead from the front, while their trusted Lieutenants command other regions of the battlefield, all under the inspiring view of the Company Banner, borne into battle by an Ancient."

Well I kinda understand to an extent having unique molds to a box like the chosen/CSM from dark vengeance. But at the same time you had access to other CSM. Right now you can't buy an ancient unless you buy the big box. Hopefully we at least get a badass one later with the banner flapping in the wind like in the codex

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Pretty much all Characters from the dark Imperium box are exclusive to it. It's annoying to be honest. Fingers crossed we get the full kits from Shadowspear before it's anniversary


Edit: I think only the Primaris Lt with power sword is technically the only unit that isn't exclusive to it anymore

Even then, it's a different sculpt.

Primaris Company Command bundle, eh GW? Gravis Captain, both Lieutenants, and the Ancient? Some kind of fluff like "Space Marine Companies are led by the most esteemed and courageous of their brethren. Captains lead from the front, while their trusted Lieutenants command other regions of the battlefield, all under the inspiring view of the Company Banner, borne into battle by an Ancient."

They cant do that with the current sculpts though. The lieutenants and ancient are on the same sprue as an Intercessor squad.

 Stux wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Pretty much all Characters from the dark Imperium box are exclusive to it. It's annoying to be honest. Fingers crossed we get the full kits from Shadowspear before it's anniversary


Edit: I think only the Primaris Lt with power sword is technically the only unit that isn't exclusive to it anymore

Even then, it's a different sculpt.

Primaris Company Command bundle, eh GW? Gravis Captain, both Lieutenants, and the Ancient? Some kind of fluff like "Space Marine Companies are led by the most esteemed and courageous of their brethren. Captains lead from the front, while their trusted Lieutenants command other regions of the battlefield, all under the inspiring view of the Company Banner, borne into battle by an Ancient."

They cant do that with the current sculpts though. The lieutenants and ancient are on the same sprue as an Intercessor squad.

If they're CAD-sculpted they can just make a new sprue with them - like they did with the Sacristan Forgeshrine & Urban Conquest.

beast_gts wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Pretty much all Characters from the dark Imperium box are exclusive to it. It's annoying to be honest. Fingers crossed we get the full kits from Shadowspear before it's anniversary


Edit: I think only the Primaris Lt with power sword is technically the only unit that isn't exclusive to it anymore

Even then, it's a different sculpt.

Primaris Company Command bundle, eh GW? Gravis Captain, both Lieutenants, and the Ancient? Some kind of fluff like "Space Marine Companies are led by the most esteemed and courageous of their brethren. Captains lead from the front, while their trusted Lieutenants command other regions of the battlefield, all under the inspiring view of the Company Banner, borne into battle by an Ancient."

They cant do that with the current sculpts though. The lieutenants and ancient are on the same sprue as an Intercessor squad.

If they're CAD-sculpted they can just make a new sprue with them - like they did with the Sacristan Forgeshrine & Urban Conquest.

Creating a new sprue isn't the expensive part, it's making the mold. And injection molds are expensive.

GW probably wouldn't make their money back on a SM Primaris Command Box because the base DI box is a good bargain and most Marine players either bought it already or have long since kit-bashed the models that can't be bought by themselves.

GW wants to sell me a Primaris Ancient they would need to make it a box of it's own and that might well be a worse proposition for them.

(Edit: The Gravis Captain comes in the Know No Fear box as well as Dark Imperium. KNF is basically just half the DI box though. I bought KNF just to get the Gravis Cap'n since I'd already kit bashed the Lt.s/Ancient/Apothecary, in retrospect I wish I'd just started with the DI box instead.)

I could see them doing a Gravis Captain kit if they expanded the options for him. Let him upgrade ranged and close combat weapons to something different and add 4 more arms onto a sprue. I'm sure it would sell.

Even if it wasn't as a stand-alone kit it could be done. There is a rumored Gravis expansion. If they did a Gravis captain like they do Custodes the Captain could just be a different head/arm option in a specialist Gravis armor unit. Heck, I'd love to see a jump-pack gravis armor captain.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I could see them doing a Gravis Captain kit if they expanded the options for him. Let him upgrade ranged and close combat weapons to something different and add 4 more arms onto a sprue. I'm sure it would sell.

Even if it wasn't as a stand-alone kit it could be done. There is a rumored Gravis expansion. If they did a Gravis captain like they do Custodes the Captain could just be a different head/arm option in a specialist Gravis armor unit. Heck, I'd love to see a jump-pack gravis armor captain.

Given the option I don't know that I want GW to follow the Custodes model of [number]-man kits that can also build Gravis or Incursor characters. If a three-man kit for a minimum three-man unit can also build a character then you can wind up having to buy a lot of the kit to get the numbers to come out even. I think I'd rather have a dedicated multi-option Gravis Captain kit instead.

Considering how GW has been releasing nothing but mono-pose characters with no options for Primaris I'm not optimistic for getting a dedicated Gravis Captain kit with anything beyond the existing options though.

(Also, I'd rather have Primaris Jetbikes than more Incursor options, but I don't know how GW could do that without invalidating Incursors altogether.)

The Newman wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I could see them doing a Gravis Captain kit if they expanded the options for him. Let him upgrade ranged and close combat weapons to something different and add 4 more arms onto a sprue. I'm sure it would sell.

Even if it wasn't as a stand-alone kit it could be done. There is a rumored Gravis expansion. If they did a Gravis captain like they do Custodes the Captain could just be a different head/arm option in a specialist Gravis armor unit. Heck, I'd love to see a jump-pack gravis armor captain.

Given the option I don't know that I want GW to follow the Custodes model of [number]-man kits that can also build Gravis or Incursor characters. If a three-man kit for a minimum three-man unit can also build a character then you can wind up having to buy a lot of the kit to get the numbers to come out even. I think I'd rather have a dedicated multi-option Gravis Captain kit instead.

Considering how GW has been releasing nothing but mono-pose characters with no options for Primaris I'm not optimistic for getting a dedicated Gravis Captain kit with anything beyond the existing options though.

(Also, I'd rather have Primaris Jetbikes than more Incursor options, but I don't know how GW could do that without invalidating Incursors altogether.)

Let's be honest we all wanted bikes before Incursors. I honestly don't even know what to do with them. I'm not in a modifier heavy meta so they're pretty pointless. I guess that's the trade off for being specialized?

 cuda1179 wrote:
Let's not forget the Granddaddy of them all, the plastic Ork Deffcopta. I know it was technically available in the Battle for Vedros kits, but I don't really consider that a 40k release.

Any day now

Basically all the units available from starter boxes with easy to build-ish set-up and mixed units on sprues have never made it to their own sets. Some (like the hellbrute) have gotten new sets which look similar, but are in fact, completely different models.

So, while this will most likely become true fro all the Dark Imperium models, Suppressors should be getting their own box eventually.

Incursors? What are you talking abou... [re-reads original post] ...well herp-derp.

I meant Inceptors. (Although in fairness we're talking about the rumored Gravis expansion; Inceptors are Gravis armor and Incursors are not so I don't think it should have been too much of a stretch to realize that I probably mis-spoke.)

Inceptors are in a weird spot because they're very bike-ish but they don't actually have the keyword and there are a lot of bike-specific abilites that would help them. They're also part of the general Primaris design trend that puts heavy support type weapons on units that are hard to pin down (see Suppressors, Executioners, and the Eliminator Serg's Instigator Carbide) or at least competent at fighting their way out of a melee (Invictors), which makes those units look really awkward until you spend some time thinking about it. ..and they're probably still a little too expensive even at W3.

In a world where everyone is a no scope 360 sniper tand wierd terrain rules , it is really hard to represent fast moving units, unless they can shot outside of LoS or can move after shoting and hide.