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So with PA officially being called "codex updates" by warcom (take from that what you will...) These books are essentialy a stop-gap to bring us somewhat in line with marines 2.0 for the rest of the factions.

So far we had sisters being released as well in the new "doctrine" paradigm.

So in what orders have codexes been released this edition? Does anyone remember? This was beyond my time in this edition.
Of course it's not cast iron and certainly speculation but perhaps it might be an indicator of which books are getting released next.

 Argive wrote:
So with PA officially being called "codex updates" by warcom (take from that what you will...) These books are essentialy a stop-gap to bring us somewhat in line with marines 2.0 for the rest of the factions.

So far we had sisters being released as well in the new "doctrine" paradigm.

So in what orders have codexes been released this edition? Does anyone remember?
Of course it's not cast iron and certainly speculation but perhaps it might be an indicator of which books are getting released next.

From memory it was Death Guard, Admech, Grey Knights after Marines. Then Guard maybe?

Marines, adeptus mechanicum, grey knights, death guard were first 4 I think, apart from marines not sure on order. Then came IG/tyranids I think. Don't recall exact order. Orks were near the end.

They did marines, so next should be DG and then the new GK codex being the oldest in game right now.

I wouldn't bank on them following that order though, especially with these new supplements muddying the waters.

Well that would be very stupid, how do they expect people to play vs 2.0 codex and supplements with books that were bad under 1.0, there is a limit how far supplements can carry a list. Specially if GW decides to nerf them.

Karol wrote:
Well that would be very stupid, how do they expect people to play vs 2.0 codex and supplements with books that were bad under 1.0, there is a limit how far supplements can carry a list. Specially if GW decides to nerf them.

I agree with you!

Karol wrote:
Well that would be very stupid, how do they expect people to play vs 2.0 codex and supplements with books that were bad under 1.0, there is a limit how far supplements can carry a list. Specially if GW decides to nerf them.

I think we've seen the kind of power boost PA has given a lot of lists gives marines a run for their money. especially with the new plethora of nerfs that just got dumped on marines.
GK for one have really been jacked up in power thanks to PA.

And we arent even all of the PA books out yet! Certainly dont expect any new codex before last PA is done. We have 3 more I believe.

I don't think Codex 2.0 is a thing that'll be happening for anyone in the near term (with one exception, below).
Marines were in a bit of and odd spot since they had a ton of new models released that weren't in the codex. And also they sucked. Thus the new Codex.

The one new codex I could see happening is AdMech. They're going to get like 3 new kits, 5 new units, pretty soon. Maybe they'll keep AdMech's PA rule presence limited (similar to the Sisters) and give them a whole codex. Then, Engine War could end up with just Knights rules on the Imperium side.

rbstr wrote:
I don't think Codex 2.0 is a thing that'll be happening for anyone in the near term (with one exception, below).
Marines were in a bit of and odd spot since they had a ton of new models released that weren't in the codex. And also they sucked. Thus the new Codex.

The one new codex I could see happening is AdMech. They're going to get like 3 new kits, 5 new units, pretty soon. Maybe they'll keep AdMech's PA rule presence limited (similar to the Sisters) and give them a whole codex. Then, Engine War could end up with just Knights rules on the Imperium side.

Actually, Admech will be getting at least 3 kits and 7 new units. That's on top of their other kit not in the codex (the tank) which are two more units. Plus, I'm willing to bet that the Kill-team HQ guy will be added. That's like 10 missing units. Not to mention the 3 Blackstone Fortress units they have access to (I doubt these will be in the book, but we can hope).

Given the blurry pics leaked we may even get Marines 3.0

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Given the blurry pics leaked we may even get Marines 3.0

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Buut this would make sense if admech were indeed the 2nd codex and also had a bunch of models released it would make sense they'd get a codex.

Better get that Traitor Guard codex we’ve been waiting for...

I think we're about due to have a new faction announced. Traitor Guard is pretty likely given the models in Blackstone Fortress. Its also about time for either Emperor's Children or World Eaters to show up, either as their own codex, or a supplement.

I also agree that AdMech are a likely contender for a Codex 2.0. And strangely, we may see a third Chaos Marine book, or big update of some sort. The reason I think this is that they're still missing trait updates/create your own, and they are missing a set of special rules to be equivalent to doctrines. Given that everyone else is getting Create Your Own trait in PA and Chaos isn't, while their infantry remains conspicuously lackluster, there's likely some sort of update coming.

We could also see Supplements start coming for non-marines factions. Craftworlds, Guard Regiments, etc.

It is entirely possible AdMech could see a new codex with the decent addition of new models. If it does come to pass, let's hope GW actually cleans it up instead of publishing another Codex 1.1 like Chaos Space Marines.

Speaking Chaos Space Marines, I wouldn't be heart broken for an Emperor's Children and/or World Eaters Codex. Having them separated out into their own codices (with new Noise Marines or Berserkers). While I would much rather GW go the route of a main Codex: Chaos Space Marines with supplements for all the legions, I just don't see that happening. So more faction codices seems okay to me. Especially if they already have subfactions like what Psychic Awakening did for Thousand Sons.

Also with so many changes to Codex: Chaos Space Marines book, would it be so bad for GW to put out a fixed real Codex 2.0? I mean I know the current one is (barely?) a year old. However, CSM rules seem like an utter mess (both in power and locating them) after the Vigilus and Psychic Awakening books to me.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
It is entirely possible AdMech could see a new codex with the decent addition of new models. If it does come to pass, let's hope GW actually cleans it up instead of publishing another Codex 1.1 like Chaos Space Marines.

Speaking Chaos Space Marines, I wouldn't be heart broken for an Emperor's Children and/or World Eaters Codex. Having them separated out into their own codices (with new Noise Marines or Berserkers). While I would much rather GW go the route of a main Codex: Chaos Space Marines with supplements for all the legions, I just don't see that happening. So more faction codices seems okay to me. Especially if they already have subfactions like what Psychic Awakening did for Thousand Sons.

Also with so many changes to Codex: Chaos Space Marines book, would it be so bad for GW to put out a fixed real Codex 2.0? I mean I know the current one is (barely?) a year old. However, CSM rules seem like an utter mess (both in power and locating them) after the Vigilus and Psychic Awakening books to me.

Honestly, if GW wanted to sell a lot of books, they'd put out a New main chaos codex, and then new supplements for DG, TS, etc. And they'd roll all the PA content into them. They could do again what they tried with the 2.0 book, but it might actually be good this time if they also fix Chapter Traits, etc. A lot of people would complain about buying another book after they'd already bought the previous books and PA though.

I'm going to guess we'll see another marine codex. I mean they just changed so much so they'll be busy working on a way to alter it now. So I'd say after PA and if rumors of a new 8.5 edition are true we'll get another Marine codex with gravis armored release wave that'll eat up most of the remaining year and half of the next year at least.

This is a joke guess but in part I'd not be surprised by it either.

Itll be admech. Theyve got tons of new kits coming out. Theyll get a 2.0 alongside Engine War probably similar to csm 2.0.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'm going to guess we'll see another marine codex. I mean they just changed so much so they'll be busy working on a way to alter it now. So I'd say after PA and if rumors of a new 8.5 edition are true we'll get another Marine codex with gravis armored release wave that'll eat up most of the remaining year and half of the next year at least.

This is a joke guess but in part I'd not be surprised by it either.

If the rumored wave 3 of Primaris comes this summer (ya know along side our rumored plastic thunderhawk, and final 40k edition and squat re-release) I coul;d see a new marines codex. but I doubt that very much. I think GW knows that anything less then a 2 year codex cycle would spark backlash

BrianDavion wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'm going to guess we'll see another marine codex. I mean they just changed so much so they'll be busy working on a way to alter it now. So I'd say after PA and if rumors of a new 8.5 edition are true we'll get another Marine codex with gravis armored release wave that'll eat up most of the remaining year and half of the next year at least.

This is a joke guess but in part I'd not be surprised by it either.

If the rumored wave 3 of Primaris comes this summer (ya know along side our rumored plastic thunderhawk, and final 40k edition and squat re-release) I coul;d see a new marines codex. but I doubt that very much. I think GW knows that anything less then a 2 year codex cycle would spark backlash

I think looking at the way they have handled Stormcast releases in AoS is a good indicator of how they plan to go forward with Marine releases. They've certainly got many parallels. As such, agreed.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Better get that Traitor Guard codex we’ve been waiting for...

indeed


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Dai wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
I'm going to guess we'll see another marine codex. I mean they just changed so much so they'll be busy working on a way to alter it now. So I'd say after PA and if rumors of a new 8.5 edition are true we'll get another Marine codex with gravis armored release wave that'll eat up most of the remaining year and half of the next year at least.

This is a joke guess but in part I'd not be surprised by it either.

If the rumored wave 3 of Primaris comes this summer (ya know along side our rumored plastic thunderhawk, and final 40k edition and squat re-release) I coul;d see a new marines codex. but I doubt that very much. I think GW knows that anything less then a 2 year codex cycle would spark backlash

I think looking at the way they have handled Stormcast releases in AoS is a good indicator of how they plan to go forward with Marine releases. They've certainly got many parallels. As such, agreed.

IF we get a new wave of primaris I imagine they'll do a dark angels or blood angels codex and let marine players of all stripes know we have access to them. that'd proably be the more easily accepted.

or even release a free mini "stern guard primaris!" mini dex to tide players over.

Shadowspear included a mini-dex for Vanguard Space Marines - which was obsoleted pretty quick. A future major Space Marine release could do that again, make it available in PDF, and just not replace it as quickly.

It's not even uncommon for GW - the 7th ed. Talons of the Emperor box included mini-dexes for Custodes and SoS, and Rogue Trader did the same for Gellerpox and Elucidians.

For 2020, I'm betting on AdMech, CWE and Guard - with the last two coming out in the Fall.

I'd not be suprised to see a traitor guard codex this year. assuming GW doesn't want to start the codex cycle over, they could push out some new armies, and between that the PA proably fill up the year

Karol wrote:
Well that would be very stupid, how do they expect people to play vs 2.0 codex and supplements with books that were bad under 1.0, there is a limit how far supplements can carry a list. Specially if GW decides to nerf them.

Same way as GW has expected them to...aka they don't care. New codexes are always coming. It's just question of "when" and "what order".

Old codexes fight same way as old codexes have fought vs new version codex in previous edition. Mostly struggling. Sometimes new codex been worse than previous. Mostly it's power creep

Slight necro-threading... maybe its apt choice of words as nobody picked the Necrons as next in line

Its pretty safe to assume necrons will be next witht heir huge releases incoming.

But Maybe ad mech will still beat them to it.

So we recon 1st codex of new edition Ad mech or necrons?

edited because I'm an idiot. Ignore me.

 Argive wrote:
Slight necro-threading... maybe its apt choice of words as nobody picked the Necrons as next in line

Its pretty safe to assume necrons will be next witht heir huge releases incoming.

But Maybe ad mech will still beat them to it.

So we recon 1st codex of new edition Ad mech or necrons?

Marines will be first up - they talked about some of the rules from the new Marine Codex in Saturday's preview show.

Necrons will probably be second.

I suspect Craftworlds and Drukari will both be in 2020 as well. They have old books and old PA books and with the new flyer rules, their special fliers will need a bunch of errata to stay different.

 Asmodai wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Slight necro-threading... maybe its apt choice of words as nobody picked the Necrons as next in line

Its pretty safe to assume necrons will be next witht heir huge releases incoming.

But Maybe ad mech will still beat them to it.

So we recon 1st codex of new edition Ad mech or necrons?

Marines will be first up - they talked about some of the rules from the new Marine Codex in Saturday's preview show.

Necrons will probably be second.

I suspect Craftworlds and Drukari will both be in 2020 as well. They have old books and old PA books and with the new flyer rules, their special fliers will need a bunch of errata to stay different.

Pretty sure the whiteboard thing was an obvious troll... I would be very very surprised if marines get a new book before necrons or ad mech. Simply by the virtue that crons are basicaly getting all their unit re-done and ad mech has had a multitude of units added.

However. GW marine fetish is a very strong veriable so it would not surprise me.

 Argive wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Slight necro-threading... maybe its apt choice of words as nobody picked the Necrons as next in line

Its pretty safe to assume necrons will be next witht heir huge releases incoming.

But Maybe ad mech will still beat them to it.

So we recon 1st codex of new edition Ad mech or necrons?

Marines will be first up - they talked about some of the rules from the new Marine Codex in Saturday's preview show.

Necrons will probably be second.

I suspect Craftworlds and Drukari will both be in 2020 as well. They have old books and old PA books and with the new flyer rules, their special fliers will need a bunch of errata to stay different.

Pretty sure the whiteboard thing was an obvious troll... I would be very very surprised if marines get a new book before necrons or ad mech. Simply by the virtue that crons are basicaly getting all their unit re-done and ad mech has had a multitude of units added.

However. GW marine fetish is a very strong veriable so it would not surprise me.

I wasn't referring to the white board, but rather the Crusade rules from the book - e.g. Space Marine characters being interred in Dreadnoughts after being wounded a lot.