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FW are releasing some sweet new DA models as I’m sure you have all seen.

I know some 30k models have rules for 40k, like the tanks etc. However as I have never played 30k I’m not sure if the rules are the same for 30k & 40k or if there are 2 separate sets of rules.

The new unit with plasma incinerators look cool and lore wise the DA have a rock full of old tech, but do the rules in the free PDF cover the use in both games??? Free rules from GW???? Too good to be true isn’t it?

Also does the use of 30k units in 40k have to be agreed pre game?

30k rules are based on the old 7th Edition ruleset, which is different to 40k's 8th (7th has templates, no Movement stat, Initiative, opposed WS tests, no stratagems, different AP systems, lack of keywords and faction rules etc etc). That's not even including the points cost likely being incredibly imbalanced, for better or worse.


In short, no, they're not compatible in 40k without making a homebrew datasheet. Which answers your last question, as with any homebrew, it would have to be agreed pre-game.

Counts as hellblasters?

Ok thanks but there are some FW models with official rules for 30&40k right?

It’s very frustrating that the nicest models are not available for the most popular game.

mrFickle wrote:
Ok thanks but there are some FW models with official rules for 30&40k right?

It’s very frustrating that the nicest models are not available for the most popular game.

They've been promising me a 40k Imperial Armour book for all my 30k Mechanicum models for five years now and still nothing. I wouldn't hold your breath over Legion unique units, what with the push to cull old-Marines in favour of Primaris.

mrFickle wrote:
Ok thanks but there are some FW models with official rules for 30&40k right?

It’s very frustrating that the nicest models are not available for the most popular game.

Vehicles usually have split rules, and some things like AdMech units (Secutarii) and Custodes units (Saggitarum and Venatari, etc) do, but Space Marine Legion units don't come with equivalent rules, or at the very least, if they do, there's only a handful.

Again, it's always *possible* to proxy them as different units or create your own homebrew rules, but as far as 100% 40k supported rules go, they don't have any.
I can't say I blame them wanting to keep the 30k theme exclusive to it.

mrFickle wrote:
Ok thanks but there are some FW models with official rules for 30&40k right?

Yes, because not all ForgeWorld models are related to the horrendous mess that is 30k.

 Melissia wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Ok thanks but there are some FW models with official rules for 30&40k right?

Yes, because not all ForgeWorld models are related to the horrendous mess that is 30k.

...And 30k is more of a horrendous mess than 40k?

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Ok thanks but there are some FW models with official rules for 30&40k right?

Yes, because not all ForgeWorld models are related to the horrendous mess that is 30k.

...And 30k is more of a horrendous mess than 40k?

Well for one, 30k uses seventh edition so... yes.

But I was actually talking about the lore. The 30k lore was better before the Horus Heresy books basically destroyed the illusion of epicness.

mrFickle wrote:
Ok thanks but there are some FW models with official rules for 30&40k right?

It’s very frustrating that the nicest models are not available for the most popular game.

There are rules for most 30k vehicles in 40k, but practically none for infantry models. Just use them as "counts as" if you want. I have Night Raptors that I use as, well, raptors, and a praetor in tartaros terminator armour which I use as a chaos lord in terminator armour.

And it seems to me that a lot of the units that do have 30k and 40k counterparts are completely different between the two. That makes it very difficult to come up with some metric for a homebrew rules conversion for units that are supported in one but not the other (especially adding Xeno armies to the heresy).

 Eipi10 wrote:
And it seems to me that a lot of the units that do have 30k and 40k counterparts are completely different between the two. That makes it very difficult to come up with some metric for a homebrew rules conversion for units that are supported in one but not the other (especially adding Xeno armies to the heresy).

Backporting Xenos armies isn't as hard as it seems, you just need to find the 7e Codexes and fiddle around with them. 1d4chan actually has a pretty elaborate set of ideas on the subject at https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Xenos_in_30k if you've got access to the 7e Codexes. And there were folks who were working on an 8e 30k port at https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/731421.page, it's been over a year since they updated anything but they did go through and do a lot of the legwork on converting statlines forward. Neither of these are cross-balanced, exactly; the 30k Xenos stuff suffers from being based on army books written during one of GW's madder periods, and the 8e Heresy stuff suffers from being a minimal-interference port designed to be straightforward rather than powerful, but if you had the time to experiment it's certainly possible.

 Melissia wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Ok thanks but there are some FW models with official rules for 30&40k right?

Yes, because not all ForgeWorld models are related to the horrendous mess that is 30k.

...And 30k is more of a horrendous mess than 40k?

Well for one, 30k uses seventh edition so... yes.

But I was actually talking about the lore. The 30k lore was better before the Horus Heresy books basically destroyed the illusion of epicness.

It uses "fixed" 7th edition-no formations. it is also nice that all units in 30K are worth taking

it is a far better game than 40k currently .

 aphyon wrote:
It uses "fixed" 7th edition-no formations. it is also nice that all units in 30K are worth taking

it is a far better game than 40k currently .

I think that blast markers make the game far too tedious to play, making movement a pain. I do play Guard though, so it affects me more than some.

I still prefer the templates as do people i know who play guard . not only does it break immersion some without them, the random d6 or 2d6 is laughable low for the amount of hits they could get in previous editions.

 Trickstick wrote:

 aphyon wrote:
It uses "fixed" 7th edition-no formations. it is also nice that all units in 30K are worth taking

it is a far better game than 40k currently .

I think that blast markers make the game far too tedious to play, making movement a pain. I do play Guard though, so it affects me more than some.

I play Solar Auxilia (30k Guard, kinda) and it's not so bad. I don't move for the Maximum 2"! spacing, because we get great bonuses for all being in base-to-base like the old Mordians (+1 initiative and +1WS, so much better protection from SM charges). To compensate, we have "Void Hardened Armor" which allows us to reroll saves against blasts.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Eipi10 wrote:
And it seems to me that a lot of the units that do have 30k and 40k counterparts are completely different between the two. That makes it very difficult to come up with some metric for a homebrew rules conversion for units that are supported in one but not the other (especially adding Xeno armies to the heresy).

Backporting Xenos armies isn't as hard as it seems, you just need to find the 7e Codexes and fiddle around with them. 1d4chan actually has a pretty elaborate set of ideas on the subject at https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Xenos_in_30k if you've got access to the 7e Codexes. And there were folks who were working on an 8e 30k port at https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/731421.page, it's been over a year since they updated anything but they did go through and do a lot of the legwork on converting statlines forward. Neither of these are cross-balanced, exactly; the 30k Xenos stuff suffers from being based on army books written during one of GW's madder periods, and the 8e Heresy stuff suffers from being a minimal-interference port designed to be straightforward rather than powerful, but if you had the time to experiment it's certainly possible.

Imagine using a riptide wing to represent the Interex or some technologically advanced faction. I wonder how it would fair in HH.

Well technically the ork, eldar, dark eldar, and necron codexes are all viable in HH, in fact the only exception are the special characters and you can still use several of the eldar characters like eldrad as they were alive in 30K . as for necrons they were ALL around in 30K just mostly asleep.

 Eipi10 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Eipi10 wrote:
And it seems to me that a lot of the units that do have 30k and 40k counterparts are completely different between the two. That makes it very difficult to come up with some metric for a homebrew rules conversion for units that are supported in one but not the other (especially adding Xeno armies to the heresy).

Backporting Xenos armies isn't as hard as it seems, you just need to find the 7e Codexes and fiddle around with them. 1d4chan actually has a pretty elaborate set of ideas on the subject at https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Xenos_in_30k if you've got access to the 7e Codexes. And there were folks who were working on an 8e 30k port at https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/731421.page, it's been over a year since they updated anything but they did go through and do a lot of the legwork on converting statlines forward. Neither of these are cross-balanced, exactly; the 30k Xenos stuff suffers from being based on army books written during one of GW's madder periods, and the 8e Heresy stuff suffers from being a minimal-interference port designed to be straightforward rather than powerful, but if you had the time to experiment it's certainly possible.

Imagine using a riptide wing to represent the Interex or some technologically advanced faction. I wonder how it would fair in HH.

Probably dramatically way too strong - and also completely unfluffy. When I think of the Interex, their cool bow-laser-caster-thingy and centauroid robo-bodies are what I think of, not Pacific Rim or Gundam giant robots.