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So just finished book three and found myself asking the question: In book 1 he gets pretty well beat down by Voke, an A+ Psyker. By book 3 he's taking on Daemon hosts and Titans with his mind. Is he an A+ psyker or is it just lore armor and not really accurate? Also, isn't there a group dedicated to hunting down missing Titans? It surprised me that he accidently stumbled into 3x Warlord titans as if no one ever knew they existed?

He's taking on daemons with his mind AND the large amount of totally-not-heretical lore and artefacts he's acquired over the series, like his staff (A ridiculously potent focus) and the contents of books seized from Qixos.

And the titan he just creates a psychic connection. His attempt to kill it psychicly is opening a bridge for bequins null aura (which doesn't work).

That's why he's forced to free cherubael.

He didn't stumble onto the titans per se. THURING found them (we don't know how), and Eisenhorn was chasing him.

Wait to you see how powerful Ravenor is.

he gets more powerful because of gear and tapping into more heretical powers.

Given his shall we say "proclivity for habitually stepping over the line" why does GW keep him as keyword Imperium? Same with Cypher? It's like calling Quixos Imperium, simmply because he self prolaims himself as a member of the Holy Inquisition, even though he's a completely obvious Heretic. I wish there was a way to throw him into like, a Word Bearers Army as a summoner.

There's an important line in The Magos (which might be low-key the best Eisenhorn novel, despite some reservations I mentioned in the Worst of Black Library Thread) where he says that when joining the Inquisition they placed certain mental blocks on his psychic capacity, and through his study of heretical lore he was able to overcome them and unleash his true potential.

It seems to me that psychic powers grow with use through time also. It just takes practice, I suppose.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Given his shall we say "proclivity for habitually stepping over the line" why does GW keep him as keyword Imperium? Same with Cypher? It's like calling Quixos Imperium, simmply because he self prolaims himself as a member of the Holy Inquisition, even though he's a completely obvious Heretic. I wish there was a way to throw him into like, a Word Bearers Army as a summoner.

Working to close the eye of terror is heretic ?
Quixos was just misunderstood !

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Given his shall we say "proclivity for habitually stepping over the line" why does GW keep him as keyword Imperium?

You mean on the tabletop? I believe because the model is representing a younger Eisenhorn before he went radical.

 godardc wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Given his shall we say "proclivity for habitually stepping over the line" why does GW keep him as keyword Imperium? Same with Cypher? It's like calling Quixos Imperium, simmply because he self prolaims himself as a member of the Holy Inquisition, even though he's a completely obvious Heretic. I wish there was a way to throw him into like, a Word Bearers Army as a summoner.

Working to close the eye of terror is heretic ?
Quixos was just misunderstood !

I can't tell if youre joking, and that's troubling. I think Qixos is a heretic because he was infested by Nurgle and using two Daemons as servents, as well as starting Chaos cults that worshiped him as a deity.


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 Don Qui Hotep wrote:
There's an important line in The Magos (which might be low-key the best Eisenhorn novel, despite some reservations I mentioned in the Worst of Black Library Thread) where he says that when joining the Inquisition they placed certain mental blocks on his psychic capacity, and through his study of heretical lore he was able to overcome them and unleash his true potential.

It seems to me that psychic powers grow with use through time also. It just takes practice, I suppose.

Right, except for the established lore that GW has in the same series about Children under the age of 10 being A+ level psykers that even gave Voke pause. Like, the child was literally crushing the heads of Deathwatch marines, and Voke was using 100% of his mental ability to just slow it down. It completely dominated and controlled Eisenhorrn. Voke was at the time, also over 3-400 years old(?).

A little of 'column A', a little of 'column B'.

Psyker + plot armour.

ALL inquisitors fall to chaos. It's not a case of 'if' but when. It's part of the nature of the beast. You can't gain an understanding of the ruinous powers without gaining some of those powers.

 chromedog wrote:
A little of 'column A', a little of 'column B'.

Psyker + plot armour.

ALL inquisitors fall to chaos. It's not a case of 'if' but when. It's part of the nature of the beast. You can't gain an understanding of the ruinous powers without gaining some of those powers.

I would draw your attention to Harlequins at this point.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Given his shall we say "proclivity for habitually stepping over the line" why does GW keep him as keyword Imperium? Same with Cypher? It's like calling Quixos Imperium, simmply because he self prolaims himself as a member of the Holy Inquisition, even though he's a completely obvious Heretic. I wish there was a way to throw him into like, a Word Bearers Army as a summoner.

Feel free to show any piece of fluff that shows him working with chaos marines. Go ahead. Humour me and try. Good luck.

There's difference between using radical methods and working with known chaos marines against imperium.


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 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So just finished book three and found myself asking the question: In book 1 he gets pretty well beat down by Voke, an A+ Psyker. By book 3 he's taking on Daemon hosts and Titans with his mind. Is he an A+ psyker or is it just lore armor and not really accurate? Also, isn't there a group dedicated to hunting down missing Titans? It surprised me that he accidently stumbled into 3x Warlord titans as if no one ever knew they existed?

He didn't take down single titan with his mind. He tried. He failed.

It's daemon that took titans out. Daemon unbound in raw form. Daemons, powerful. Daemons not bound, even more powerful.

tneva82 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Given his shall we say "proclivity for habitually stepping over the line" why does GW keep him as keyword Imperium? Same with Cypher? It's like calling Quixos Imperium, simmply because he self prolaims himself as a member of the Holy Inquisition, even though he's a completely obvious Heretic. I wish there was a way to throw him into like, a Word Bearers Army as a summoner.

Feel free to show any piece of fluff that shows him working with chaos marines. Go ahead. Humour me and try. Good luck.

There's difference between using radical methods and working with known chaos marines against imperium.


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 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So just finished book three and found myself asking the question: In book 1 he gets pretty well beat down by Voke, an A+ Psyker. By book 3 he's taking on Daemon hosts and Titans with his mind. Is he an A+ psyker or is it just lore armor and not really accurate? Also, isn't there a group dedicated to hunting down missing Titans? It surprised me that he accidently stumbled into 3x Warlord titans as if no one ever knew they existed?

He didn't take down single titan with his mind. He tried. He failed.

It's daemon that took titans out. Daemon unbound in raw form. Daemons, powerful. Daemons not bound, even more powerful.

No, he's woprking with something worse? A Chaos spawned Daemonhost? If you condemn one man for working with a Daemon, why is it ok for him to? He's a complete radical at this point, and should not be Imperium, or carry the keyword. Greyfax was right, the Imperium has radically shifted in the last few hundred years, where they openly allow stuff, for no discernible reason.

At the point we run into Quixos, he's both internally and externally corrupted, with his body, soul and armour (see the original Malleus cover art) warped by Chaos, whilst wielding a daemon weapon and fielding multiple daemonhosts.

He's also behind multiple Chaos cults and working with Chaos Marines.

Eisenhorn, as far as we know, is now treading the path of the radical to a limited degree - Cherubael being the only "corrupt" element I'm aware of him actively using as of The Magos, though I'm sure he has studied a bunch of forbidden lore that we haven't seen him use "on-screen".

His actions, however, do still seem to point to him serving the Imperium, not working to further the aims of the Great Enemy.

Minor point re Greyfax - the Eisenhorn books are set around 3-400.M41, so way before 999.M41. While we're not clear on when Greyfax was captured by the Nexrons, Eisenhorn's known actions are likely to take place closer to Greyfax's original time than the (in-universe) current day.

Everyone is always so quick to point out that he sacrificed an Innocent and unwilling fellow inquisitor in order to trap Cherubael. Also, he coveted Glaw and never told anyone he was in possession and knowingly making pacts with Glaw, which is Heresy.

pm713 wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
A little of 'column A', a little of 'column B'.

Psyker + plot armour.

ALL inquisitors fall to chaos. It's not a case of 'if' but when. It's part of the nature of the beast. You can't gain an understanding of the ruinous powers without gaining some of those powers.

I would draw your attention to Harlequins at this point.

The insane clown posse? How do those flip-belts work, anyway?