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Tiberias wrote: I know there is still stuff coming, but those reveals have been pretty underwhelming so far...
DW and harlequins just getting rules in white dwarf is just prime major liege BS....
I really hope necrons get at least some models for pariah, but I am not getting my hopes up, cause feth everything that isnt space marines, right....?
Also in my opinion ephreal stern and that new harlequin character look freakin awful. I guess the poses are fine, but those faces! And hair! I don't understand why GW can't model proper faces and hair....
I'm guessing Necrons will get something big in Pariah from today's preview article: "Ephrael Stern is getting a model of her own – just in time to test her powers against the greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced."
So that 'greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced' is going to be in Pariah since it's the last book, which also means it's probably something Necron. Maybe a C'tan at full power as a Lord of War choice or something along those lines.
yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
for all we know the hidden foe is a new chaos army.
God I hope not, Chaos forces are spread throughout far too many publications as it is....its really...chaotic.
Let's hope it's Necron.
maybe 9th will kick off with Ynnari vs Necron, since Yvraine said she will return to help Stern/Pariah, just didn't say when. Eldar need new kits (Scorps and Warp Spiders have been hinted in the PA fluff) and the Banshees were given Ynnari heads without accompanying rules to make them different, so.....
Long shot, but here's hoping. Two Ancient races kicking off 9th edition? One can dream.
yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
Perhaps Necrons are the big bad going into the new edition, and the last PA is setting them up as the other side of a new starter box. That's why they haven't been unveiled until they're ready to show 9E.
Necrons being the new big bad is even less likely than 9th edition actually happening.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Tiberias wrote: I know there is still stuff coming, but those reveals have been pretty underwhelming so far...
DW and harlequins just getting rules in white dwarf is just prime major liege BS....
I really hope necrons get at least some models for pariah, but I am not getting my hopes up, cause feth everything that isnt space marines, right....?
Also in my opinion ephreal stern and that new harlequin character look freakin awful. I guess the poses are fine, but those faces! And hair! I don't understand why GW can't model proper faces and hair....
I'm guessing Necrons will get something big in Pariah from today's preview article: "Ephrael Stern is getting a model of her own – just in time to test her powers against the greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced."
So that 'greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced' is going to be in Pariah since it's the last book, which also means it's probably something Necron. Maybe a C'tan at full power as a Lord of War choice or something along those lines.
yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
for all we know the hidden foe is a new chaos army.
God I hope not, Chaos forces are spread throughout far too many publications as it is....its really...chaotic.
.
5 codeices is too many? I'm gonna guess you don't play imperium armies
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
Perhaps Necrons are the big bad going into the new edition, and the last PA is setting them up as the other side of a new starter box. That's why they haven't been unveiled until they're ready to show 9E.
Necrons being the new big bad is even less likely than 9th edition actually happening.
I don't think there's hard evidence that pariah is the last book either is there?
There is not. Early on it was rumored that it would be a 9 book series, in which case Pariah would be it I believe, but I dont believe that rumor was ever confirmed and GW hasnt yet said anything to the effect of Pariah being the final book or the conclusion of the Psychic Awakening series, etc
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
chaos0xomega wrote: There is not. Early on it was rumored that it would be a 9 book series, in which case Pariah would be it I believe, but I dont believe that rumor was ever confirmed and GW hasnt yet said anything to the effect of Pariah being the final book or the conclusion of the Psychic Awakening series, etc
although deathwatch and harli's getting a WD article instead is.... kinda damning
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
yeah, not sure what to make of ot, but I can only imagine that was part of the plan from early on given the realities of production abd manufacturing lead times.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Tiberias wrote: I know there is still stuff coming, but those reveals have been pretty underwhelming so far...
DW and harlequins just getting rules in white dwarf is just prime major liege BS....
I really hope necrons get at least some models for pariah, but I am not getting my hopes up, cause feth everything that isnt space marines, right....?
Also in my opinion ephreal stern and that new harlequin character look freakin awful. I guess the poses are fine, but those faces! And hair! I don't understand why GW can't model proper faces and hair....
I'm guessing Necrons will get something big in Pariah from today's preview article: "Ephrael Stern is getting a model of her own – just in time to test her powers against the greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced."
So that 'greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced' is going to be in Pariah since it's the last book, which also means it's probably something Necron. Maybe a C'tan at full power as a Lord of War choice or something along those lines.
yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
for all we know the hidden foe is a new chaos army.
God I hope not, Chaos forces are spread throughout far too many publications as it is....its really...chaotic.
.
5 codeices is too many? I'm gonna guess you don't play imperium armies
let's see, last time I tried playing Chaos a few days ago....
Chaos codex, Shadowspear booklet for Daemonkin, Vigilus Ablaze, Faith and Fury and a Deathguard supplement (I don't have codex, but will wrap all the mini-dexes I have into one for being genuine). Luckily no Daemons added.
Most I've ever used for Imperial is 4, and that was a handful...Knights, Guard, Deathwatch, assassins from WD.
Most new Imperial books limit your options to soup, Chaos encourages it. They are also getting more in Engine war and war of the Spider, so yes, please no more fething Chaos. Give us Xenos.
yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
Perhaps Necrons are the big bad going into the new edition, and the last PA is setting them up as the other side of a new starter box. That's why they haven't been unveiled until they're ready to show 9E.
Necrons being the new big bad is even less likely than 9th edition actually happening.
I don't think there's hard evidence that pariah is the last book either is there?
Pretty sure I heard on the twitch reveal them refer to the book as the last, or use the term "wrap up"? edit: OK, maybe not.
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If Pariah isn't the last book, then who features in it, and who features in the book after it? It's possible that another book will come, but it's fair to say it's likely that it's the last.
Darsath wrote: If Pariah isn't the last book, then who features in it, and who features in the book after it? It's possible that another book will come, but it's fair to say it's likely that it's the last.
If there was another book, presumably it wouldn't be necessary to relegate Deathwatch and Harlequins to White Dwarf.
Darsath wrote: If Pariah isn't the last book, then who features in it, and who features in the book after it? It's possible that another book will come, but it's fair to say it's likely that it's the last.
If there was another book, presumably it wouldn't be necessary to relegate Deathwatch and Harlequins to White Dwarf.
But why then announce that they'll be getting their rules in White Dwarf if they're going to be getting a book not long after?
yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
Perhaps Necrons are the big bad going into the new edition, and the last PA is setting them up as the other side of a new starter box. That's why they haven't been unveiled until they're ready to show 9E.
Necrons being the new big bad is even less likely than 9th edition actually happening.
We've heard light rumors of new armies.. perhaps the new Big Bad is whatever's been chasing the Tyranids?
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I'm a bit confused as to why sisters are getting a PA spot over Harlies and DW. They've just had their codex drop and they're drowning in newrules and units, whereas DW and Harlies are both so damn dusty, neither has had any love for quite a long time, and there's little reason to take either at the moment, having been rendered obsolete in the most part. They're both pretty well-loved factions too, from what I've seen. Harlies in particular could really shine with just a few releases.
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grouchoben wrote: I'm a bit confused as to why sisters are getting a PA spot over Harlies and DW. They've just had their codex drop and they're drowning in newrules and units, whereas DW and Harlies are both so damn dusty, neither has had any love for quite a long time, and there's little reason to take either at the moment, having been rendered obsolete in the most part. They're both pretty well-loved factions too, from what I've seen. Harlies in particular could really shine with just a few releases.
The marine release cycle has made deathwatch a mess, they could have access to some new units but it's hard to squeeze them into the deathwatch format without it looking odd imo.
Having to balance special issue ammo, bolter discipline and doctrines (if they had them, which is the expectation I'd imagine) would be a nightmare.
Both armies were released in the golden era of "make 3-4 kits and call them an allies codex" mentality, which is why they're a bit light on the ground generally. But if the studio has no drive to alter that then that's how they'll have to stay sadly.
In any event, they're not in pariah which is the thread topic, so it might be worthwhile a new thread being made for psychic awakening: white dwarf?
grouchoben wrote: I'm a bit confused as to why sisters are getting a PA spot over Harlies and DW. They've just had their codex drop and they're drowning in newrules and units, whereas DW and Harlies are both so damn dusty, neither has had any love for quite a long time, and there's little reason to take either at the moment, having been rendered obsolete in the most part. They're both pretty well-loved factions too, from what I've seen. Harlies in particular could really shine with just a few releases.
Well, not so much Sisters but GW-super-favourite love-child Chaos apparently needing a double-dip, lol, even after having an entire Vigilus to their own (with the rest either squashed in one book or getting nothing at all), lol.
grouchoben wrote: I'm a bit confused as to why sisters are getting a PA spot over Harlies and DW. They've just had their codex drop and they're drowning in newrules and units, whereas DW and Harlies are both so damn dusty, neither has had any love for quite a long time, and there's little reason to take either at the moment, having been rendered obsolete in the most part. They're both pretty well-loved factions too, from what I've seen. Harlies in particular could really shine with just a few releases.
Well, not so much Sisters but GW-super-favourite love-child Chaos apparently needing a double-dip, lol, even after having an entire Vigilus to their own (with the rest either squashed in one book or getting nothing at all), lol.
You've got a real chip on your shoulder about this. It was a chance for them to give chaos marines a release wave and an updated codex, nothing more sinister.
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The only thing behind them is the main body of them of which existing fleets are simply tendrils.
40k fluff has the Imperium believing that the first fleets were the tendrils then the bigger ones are the the main body. 30k/Non Imperium point of view fluff shows that is not rightand it’s heavily implied the Silent King is involved with their evolution. Pharos going bang started the invasion early. The fleets should have begun moving during PA so they arrive at a galaxy weakened by that conflict and the psychic blankness of the hive mind would cause the most disruption.
I don’t reckon we will see 9th this year now unless they risk a holiday release.
It’s the same, surely. Just DW or Harly players get to buy a £6 magazine rather than a £25 book.
Keep on smoking that unfounded optimism. Deathwatch are a year behind other marines in terms of model usage, and now they're going to fall even further behind because of rules fuckery.
Congrats GW. You've actually made me want to shelve my primary army.
I’m not sure what optimism there is in my post, I don’t think it’s a good way of doing it, I just disagree that it’s more documents you need (if you only play one of them that is).
You’re 100% correct. It would be one book or one magazine. It’s no different. I don’t get those disagreeing with you unless they thought you meant same in terms of content ( which it will definitely not be as good I’m sure, though what do some get in PA, around 7 pages? Could easily be the same tbh.
I don’t think it will end up being the same, but technically).
Either way, was irrelevant to your conversation that it’s the same number of documents.
yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
Perhaps Necrons are the big bad going into the new edition, and the last PA is setting them up as the other side of a new starter box. That's why they haven't been unveiled until they're ready to show 9E.
Necrons being the new big bad is even less likely than 9th edition actually happening.
We've heard light rumors of new armies.. perhaps the new Big Bad is whatever's been chasing the Tyranids?
Nah -it will be a chaos faction- they stated at the start of 8th that they wanted to raise chaos up as the primary threat to the imperium and that been the main theme of 8th- Imperium vs chaos with a little Xenos. I'd imagine the threat/new armies will be Dark Mechanicus and/or Fulgrim. Stern is connected to Slaanesh in someway isn't she? [not read the books].
And Nids haven't been running from anyone - they ate their galaxy clean and left to find a new restaurant ..
Even the announcement text for Ephrael Stern in PA: Pariah plays up the Chaos Aspect.
2:50pm – A Void Against Chaos
Who now in the galaxy can stand against the rising tide of the warp? Who will rise to save us from Chaos? Be careful what you wish for…
Psychic Awakening: Pariah will see champions old and new come to the fore, including a legendary, Chaos-destroying heroine. Witness the return of the Daemonifuge!
The champion of some of the most iconic Warhammer graphic novels ever written, Ephrael Stern is getting a model of her own – just in time to test her powers against the greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced. She’s not alone – you’ll be able to field her alongside the Sisters of Battle, or with any Imperium force, and she’ll be accompanied by her Harlequin companion, Kyganil.
Of course, this goes in no small part to her 20-year old comic book, but playing her up as "Chaos-destroying heroine" and "who will rise to save us from Chaos?" would seem odd if PA: Pariah wouldn't have a Chaos focus as well.
Maybe is Necrons + Stern (Sisters) vs Chaos - the enemy of my enemy.....it was good enough for the Blood Angels but could the Sisters do this??
(well if the Emperor - or Saint C tells them too they might....)
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yes, and this is following from the storyline in the first PA book Phoenix Rising (as mentioned in the OP). Ephrael warns Yvraine of a hidden foe that is an impending cataclysm, and I fully expect this to be Necron in nature.
Perhaps Necrons are the big bad going into the new edition, and the last PA is setting them up as the other side of a new starter box. That's why they haven't been unveiled until they're ready to show 9E.
Necrons being the new big bad is even less likely than 9th edition actually happening.
We've heard light rumors of new armies.. perhaps the new Big Bad is whatever's been chasing the Tyranids?
Nah -it will be a chaos faction- they stated at the start of 8th that they wanted to raise chaos up as the primary threat to the imperium and that been the main theme of 8th- Imperium vs chaos with a little Xenos. I'd imagine the threat/new armies will be Dark Mechanicus and/or Fulgrim. Stern is connected to Slaanesh in someway isn't she? [not read the books].
And Nids haven't been running from anyone - they ate their galaxy clean and left to find a new restaurant ..
Stern's not really connected to Slaanesh. Her thing is unmaking greater Daemons, which puts her more at odds with Korne or just Chaos Undivided at that time.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Nevermind, was a Keeper of Secrets she defeated. So she does have that tie to Slaanesh...
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Darsath wrote: If Pariah isn't the last book, then who features in it, and who features in the book after it? It's possible that another book will come, but it's fair to say it's likely that it's the last.
If there was another book, presumably it wouldn't be necessary to relegate Deathwatch and Harlequins to White Dwarf.
It's not really necessary now when they both could have joined other books easily. Phoenix Failing and Saga of the Beast.
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There’s the potential for the exact same amount of rules content (aka naff all) in WD, and it’s just a way to spread things so it drives WD sales too. No reason to suggest this is any indication of lack of effort... until we see them, that is!
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
Inquisition and Assassins (and way back when, the first Imperial Knight and even further back the Blood Angels 4th edition codex) had me actually buy a White Dwarf.
Maybe they've done it to avoid the absolute toxicity of the community moaning about a PA book being another 'space marine' book
Automatically Appended Next Post: Alternative theory is that with how many factions have been in the books of late, maybe they didn't fully think they could balance/test the rules in time to fit them all into the book in time for printing. in which case it could be a good thing.
In slightly related, this is the perfect opportunity to get a read on the lead in time for WD's. Covid-19 disrupting the release schedule will surely be mentioned at some point, we can see how long it takes to turn up.
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