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If you don't mind me asking- where did the Necron rumours come from? That's quite a surprise - I know the 9th rumours are French but I hadn't read anything on Necrons.. mind you I stopped following threads too closely after Nids got their book and nothing else..Not a Necrons player but it would be an interesting development to see a Xenos faction being featured heavily
I'm necron player and certainly would like to know more. How reliable those are? Would be nice. Guess I won't hurry buying heavy destroyers just in case. No immediate NEED to order them ASAP and if there's even slight chance new ones appear this year worth enough wait rather than invest ~200e for the 9. Good to know in any case just in case.
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If you don't mind me asking- where did the Necron rumours come from? That's quite a surprise - I know the 9th rumours are French but I hadn't read anything on Necrons.. mind you I stopped following threads too closely after Nids got their book and nothing else..Not a Necrons player but it would be an interesting development to see a Xenos faction being featured heavily
I'm necron player and certainly would like to know more. How reliable those are? Would be nice. Guess I won't hurry buying heavy destroyers just in case. No immediate NEED to order them ASAP and if there's even slight chance new ones appear this year worth enough wait rather than invest ~200e for the 9. Good to know in any case just in case
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I wouldnt say need. Want is a better word. My Bloody Rose will not be buying the book so.....I don't need it. I will buy Stern but more cuz I like the model rather than for gaming use.
You will be missing on good stratagems/warlord traits etc.
Stern isn't going to be only thing in the book(and likely bloody rose can use her as well).
Sure you don't technically NEED it. Orks don't technically NEED vigilus book. Sure they will be lacking the most competive unit they have then but you can skip that And technically speaking iron hands don't NEED to buy their supplement. It's free power upgrade but technically you can play without it.
GW will make damned sure if you want to be competive you need it.
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tneva82 wrote: You will be missing on good stratagems/warlord traits etc.
Stern isn't going to be only thing in the book(and likely bloody rose can use her as well).
Sure you don't technically NEED it. Orks don't technically NEED vigilus book. Sure they will be lacking the most competive unit they have then but you can skip that And technically speaking iron hands don't NEED to buy their supplement. It's free power upgrade but technically you can play without it.
GW will make damned sure if you want to be competive you need it.
that's gotta suck if that's the only way to play, oh wait it isnt. Sounds like a problem of your own making.
FWIW (and I'm always wrong on these) If the book is referring Necron pariahs then it will be the work of the Technomandrites not the silent king. GW has out of the blue reminded us of their existence recently, and told us the tear has set off anti-warp protocols that released them from stasis, which I would bet is GW priming the pump the way they did with lazarus. Though a book with SoB, deathwatch, Necrons and harlequin is guaranteed to the the strangest yet.
Constantly being negative doesn't make you seem erudite, it just makes you look like a curmudgeon.
Grimgold wrote: FWIW (and I'm always wrong on these) If the book is referring Necron pariahs then it will be the work of the Technomandrites not the silent king. GW has out of the blue reminded us of their existence recently, and told us the tear has set off anti-warp protocols that released them from stasis, which I would bet is GW priming the pump the way they did with lazarus. Though a book with SoB, deathwatch, Necrons and harlequin is guaranteed to the the strangest yet.
Harlies won't get anything in pariah except for the special character with SoB and that might not even be fieldable with harlies(if the 2 must be taken together SoB doesn't have harlequin keyword...so to be able to be in battleforged detachment with harlies they would need special rule but preview indicated just imperium and SOB. Possible they have special rule they can be taken in any imperium detachment without breaking order bonuses etc but that's abou tit).
Harlequin stratagems etc will be in WD as well as deathwatch.
So SoB vs necrons, maybe Inquisitors. But DW & harlies will be in WD(GW already said so. Don't expect to be in book AND WD)
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Yeah that was bit of a wet slap against face of those 2 factions. All other gets book, those 2 WD...
Well at least rulewise harlies can get comparable so they lose mostly on fluff(no big loss) and get it cheaper. DW are unlikely to get access on datasheets other marines got...That's tons of pages to copy&paste to WD
Grimgold wrote: I missed that, no wonder why DW players are extra angry.
Frankly, they can get over it. Most factions are receiving about a White Dwarf article's worth of content. The only exception has been Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves--and those exceptions are only because they copied over the Doctrines, the Repulsor Executioner, and Vanguard Marine items(Infiltrators, Incursors, Suppressors, Eliminators, Impulsors, the Librarian, Captain, and Lieutenant in Phobos Armor, and finally the Invictor Warsuits) to those factions.
It's been basically a day one thing from GW that Phobos kits were not going to be Deathwatch material.
tneva82 wrote: Sure you could just go for pretty much autolose. Games with foregone conclusion are pretty boring though.
I guess you didn't upgrade to codex either then. After all you don't need that powerup either
It really sounds like the problem you have is self-induced/feth you gaming related.
havent auto lost yet. Probably due to playing with like minded players. I dont play to beat the gak out of someone, if I wanted to I would rather step into the ring and do it for real.
Yes I bought the boxed set & for sure didnt buy it cuz it was a "power up". Plenty of other things besides MORE POWEERRRRRRRER. I play SOB cuz they're an interesting faction with plenty of variety in lore/units/styles. I play Salamanders for the exact same reasons & Metalica & etc.....
Couldnt even give a feth if they're POWERFUL or not.
If you look at every thing like a nail, you'll always want a hammer.
So for salamanders I trust you don't then have the supplement.
After all you don't need supplement. It's completely optional.
If you have that supplement then what you say and what you do don't match at all. There's word for that and not particularly good one. And then no wonder you don't auto lose since you have the supplements giivng you free power up...Lol.
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I'd buy a Metalica book...for the lore.
I'd buy a Emperors Children book...for the lore.
Not everything is about how bad you can beat your opponent.
Your meta has gotta suck if you're not on the bleeding edge. Thankfully my local community is more about thematic, narrative and fun(which is subjective).
If you need to screw over your opponent to have fun..there's a word for that.
but that's off topic and rule #1.
I cant wait for the models, which is by far more import to me than how pissed off they are in the rules.
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tneva82 wrote: So for salamanders I trust you don't then have the supplement.
After all you don't need supplement. It's completely optional.
If you have that supplement then what you say and what you do don't match at all. There's word for that and not particularly good one. And then no wonder you don't auto lose since you have the supplements giivng you free power up...Lol.
Playing hyper competitive games is completely optional as well, maybe they play casually (as the salamanders choice would suggest) and don't care about simply being the best, like no one ever was.
Played Salamanders since RT and could give 2 gaks how "powerful" they are.
I hope that GW releases an all competitive version of the game where every unit is equal to another, share the same strats, has same movement values, etc... just to get the people that seem to want that off of the game that seems to work just fine for everyone else.
Frankly, they can get over it. Most factions are receiving about a White Dwarf article's worth of content. The only exception has been Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves--and those exceptions are only because they copied over the Doctrines, the Repulsor Executioner, and Vanguard Marine items(Infiltrators, Incursors, Suppressors, Eliminators, Impulsors, the Librarian, Captain, and Lieutenant in Phobos Armor, and finally the Invictor Warsuits) to those factions.
It's been basically a day one thing from GW that Phobos kits were not going to be Deathwatch material.
Which is super weird, because both fluff and aesthetics wise I think Phobos would be a great fit for DW.
Constantly being negative doesn't make you seem erudite, it just makes you look like a curmudgeon.
Racerguy180 wrote: Played Salamanders since RT and could give 2 gaks how "powerful" they are.
I hope that GW releases an all competitive version of the game where every unit is equal to another, share the same strats, has same movement values, etc... just to get the people that seem to want that off of the game that seems to work just fine for everyone else.
Thats not how competition works anywhere except Chess. Every NFL player is different and you manage their strengths and weaknesses to win the season. Just because you dont buy an expansion doesn’t mean the rules don’t exist.. it’s a very odd statement.
You know you can use rules even if you dont personally buy the book... right?
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Frankly, they can get over it. Most factions are receiving about a White Dwarf article's worth of content. The only exception has been Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves--and those exceptions are only because they copied over the Doctrines, the Repulsor Executioner, and Vanguard Marine items(Infiltrators, Incursors, Suppressors, Eliminators, Impulsors, the Librarian, Captain, and Lieutenant in Phobos Armor, and finally the Invictor Warsuits) to those factions.
It's been basically a day one thing from GW that Phobos kits were not going to be Deathwatch material.
Which is super weird, because both fluff and aesthetics wise I think Phobos would be a great fit for DW.
Maybe. Maybe not.
It's implied that Infiltrators, Incursors, Suppressors, and Eliminators along with the command elements are individuals with 'a specific set of skills' rather than the 'guys wearing stripped down armour' that Reivers are implied to be in many instances.
It's been basically a day one thing from GW that Phobos kits were not going to be Deathwatch material.
That's bs, and a circular justification for you gaking on a faction you dont like. Vanguard units are already part of the Deathwatch, and refusing to finish the line has been a stab in the eye for more than a year.
It's implied that Infiltrators, Incursors, Suppressors, and Eliminators along with the command elements are individuals with 'a specific set of skills' rather than the 'guys wearing stripped down armour' that Reivers are implied to be in many instances.
Shadowspear's fluff makes it abundantly clear the Reivers are just as specialized a component of the Vanguard formation as the rest of their Phobos brethren.
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It's been basically a day one thing from GW that Phobos kits were not going to be Deathwatch material.
That's bs, and a circular justification for you gaking on a faction you dont like. Vanguard units are already part of the Deathwatch, and refusing to finish the line has been a stab in the eye for more than a year.
Show me where the I've ever said I dislike Deathwatch, because I'd be fascinated to see words I don't think I've said? Here's the initial Vanguard Focus for Shadowspear where Deathwatch were notably left out. There were also quite a few postings from them on the Facebook page about it.
Last week, we revealed which new units in Codex: Space Marines will be joining the ranks of the Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Dark Angels (and, in the case of the Repulsor Executioner, the Deathwatch too). Well, there’s more! In addition to the aforementioned Vanguard units and powerful vehicles, many of your existing units will be improved by additional rules and enhanced wargear profiles.
It's implied that Infiltrators, Incursors, Suppressors, and Eliminators along with the command elements are individuals with 'a specific set of skills' rather than the 'guys wearing stripped down armour' that Reivers are implied to be in many instances.
Shadowspear's fluff makes it abundantly clear the Reivers are just as specialized a component of the Vanguard formation as the rest of their Phobos brethren.
I imagine Sisters are going to get a build your own order minoris, Stern, and a strategem or two. Dunno if they really had enough time to playtest to figure out where Sisters would need Strategem coverage, since I'm sure the books are already printed by now.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Racerguy180 wrote: Played Salamanders since RT and could give 2 gaks how "powerful" they are.
I hope that GW releases an all competitive version of the game where every unit is equal to another, share the same strats, has same movement values, etc... just to get the people that seem to want that off of the game that seems to work just fine for everyone else.
Thats not how competition works anywhere except Chess. Every NFL player is different and you manage their strengths and weaknesses to win the season. Just because you dont buy an expansion doesn’t mean the rules don’t exist.. it’s a very odd statement.
You know you can use rules even if you dont personally buy the book... right?
So you're advocating for pirating them?
unfortunately that's what some posters want, everything to as equal as possible. oops but chess has a balance issue as well since white gets to go first.
Dont gak on anyone elses game, it seems like a simple thing but.....
I don't care if someone plays min/max spam, I choose to play differently. But then dont presume that's the only way to play.
tneva82 wrote: You will be missing on good stratagems/warlord traits etc.
Stern isn't going to be only thing in the book(and likely bloody rose can use her as well).
Sure you don't technically NEED it. Orks don't technically NEED vigilus book. Sure they will be lacking the most competive unit they have then but you can skip that And technically speaking iron hands don't NEED to buy their supplement. It's free power upgrade but technically you can play without it.
GW will make damned sure if you want to be competive you need it.
that's gotta suck if that's the only way to play, oh wait it isnt. Sounds like a problem of your own making.
You miss the grand point. If someone you know buys it, and their army is now way better than yours, you either adjust yourself or tell that person to not use stuff they bought. Competitive doesn't just mean tournaments, it means winning the game. If you say you don't care about that, you don't even need to shell out money to buys even the core rules. Just go "pewpew" and whoever makes the best noises wins!
I'd buy a Metalica book...for the lore.
I'd buy a Emperors Children book...for the lore.
Not everything is about how bad you can beat your opponent.
Your meta has gotta suck if you're not on the bleeding edge. Thankfully my local community is more about thematic, narrative and fun(which is subjective).
If you need to screw over your opponent to have fun..there's a word for that.
but that's off topic and rule #1.
I cant wait for the models, which is by far more import to me than how pissed off they are in the rules.
LOOOOOOOOOOOL Imagine buying that cashgrab for the LORE.
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CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
tneva82 wrote: You will be missing on good stratagems/warlord traits etc.
Stern isn't going to be only thing in the book(and likely bloody rose can use her as well).
Sure you don't technically NEED it. Orks don't technically NEED vigilus book. Sure they will be lacking the most competive unit they have then but you can skip that And technically speaking iron hands don't NEED to buy their supplement. It's free power upgrade but technically you can play without it.
GW will make damned sure if you want to be competive you need it.
that's gotta suck if that's the only way to play, oh wait it isnt. Sounds like a problem of your own making.
You miss the grand point. If someone you know buys it, and their army is now way better than yours, you either adjust yourself or tell that person to not use stuff they bought. Competitive doesn't just mean tournaments, it means winning the game. If you say you don't care about that, you don't even need to shell out money to buys even the core rules. Just go "pewpew" and whoever makes the best noises wins!
I'd buy a Metalica book...for the lore.
I'd buy a Emperors Children book...for the lore.
Not everything is about how bad you can beat your opponent.
Your meta has gotta suck if you're not on the bleeding edge. Thankfully my local community is more about thematic, narrative and fun(which is subjective).
If you need to screw over your opponent to have fun..there's a word for that.
but that's off topic and rule #1.
I cant wait for the models, which is by far more import to me than how pissed off they are in the rules.
LOOOOOOOOOOOL Imagine buying that cashgrab for the LORE.
I found the lore to be great, we hadn't really had specifics about the disposition of the 18th in the current era. HH is great for that and am glad that 40k now has some.
Ya know, when I play IH(with supplement) I don't auto lose to them. it's kinda like the other person is the reason you may auto lose.
Once again your opponent plays a big part of losing or winning, so if they write feth you lists you get fethed, if they write a normal list you dont. Play with like minded individuals. If you must have the stronger list, that is a bed you made & not all beds are made the same. if you must complain that (x) is too powerful, then maybe you should buy them and move on to the next flavour of the month.
Not everyone wants to be an donkey-cave, unfortunately (for you), you most likely play with donkey-caves. It's kinda like you get out of it what you put in.
Show me where the I've ever said I dislike Deathwatch, because I'd be fascinated to see words I don't think I've said?
You've done an amazing job of consistently gaking on, and vocally supporting the destruction of, an army you claim you dont hate.
Your army won't be destroyed if you don't get the new shinies. Frankly, Deathwatch needs to be made into an army that tends to be more reliant on one-off characters or the like.
The Vanguard Space Marines booklet is missing chunks of stuff. It also doesn't actually reflect some of the lore that P19 does, notably that Vanguard Marines aren't all restricted to the Vanguard Companies.
Grimgold wrote: I missed that, no wonder why DW players are extra angry.
Frankly, they can get over it. Most factions are receiving about a White Dwarf article's worth of content. The only exception has been Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves--and those exceptions are only because they copied over the Doctrines, the Repulsor Executioner, and Vanguard Marine items(Infiltrators, Incursors, Suppressors, Eliminators, Impulsors, the Librarian, Captain, and Lieutenant in Phobos Armor, and finally the Invictor Warsuits) to those factions.
It's been basically a day one thing from GW that Phobos kits were not going to be Deathwatch material.
Yeah, I just hope GW doesn't get lazy and neglect to give DW the new phobos stuff. Because, if there is any chapter where that stuff actually seems to fit outside of RG, it's Deathwatch.
Hasn't stopped them so far obviously.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
And technically speaking iron hands don't NEED to buy their supplement. It's free power upgrade but technically you can play without it.
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