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The same could be said of the codex itself...

 bullyboy wrote:

pm713 wrote:
With so few pages I really have to ask why they couldn't be in Phoenix Rising. That way all the Eldar are in one place.

That is for sure.

GW forgot Harlequins existed until they re-read Daemonifuge while working on Ephrael Stern

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

pm713 wrote:
With so few pages I really have to ask why they couldn't be in Phoenix Rising. That way all the Eldar are in one place.

That is for sure.

GW forgot Harlequins existed until they re-read Daemonifuge while working on Ephrael Stern

Apologies for being a bit OT but is Daemonifuge worth reading?

pm713 wrote:
Apologies for being a bit OT but is Daemonifuge worth reading?

It doesn't have an ending, if that sort of thing bothers you...

 Lord Damocles wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Apologies for being a bit OT but is Daemonifuge worth reading?

It doesn't have an ending, if that sort of thing bothers you...

I was under the impression they'd fixed that for the collected edition?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Apologies for being a bit OT but is Daemonifuge worth reading?

It doesn't have an ending, if that sort of thing bothers you...

I was under the impression they'd fixed that for the collected edition?

How? They only got to the end of the prologue/origin story when it was cancelled. It’s missing about 2/3 of the basic plot; they were only just on their way to find the macguffin that would tell them who the real enemy is, never mind actually finding them iirc.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Apologies for being a bit OT but is Daemonifuge worth reading?

It doesn't have an ending, if that sort of thing bothers you...

I was under the impression they'd fixed that for the collected edition?

How? They only got to the end of the prologue/origin story when it was cancelled. It’s missing about 2/3 of the basic plot; they were only just on their way to find the macguffin that would tell them who the real enemy is, never mind actually finding them iirc.

Books 1 2 and 3 begin with and that's it.

Has been a bit but I have to say. GW, thank you for giving Deathwatch the lowest effort possible. It exceeded even my low expectations for what love they'd get in PA. Thank you for the memes.

I get stuff is hard all over but damn, could they give any lazier an effort to their " Update ". I mean it's a buff to the army but damn does it feel like they want me to ask.." Pardon me, may I please have some more ? "

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Has been a bit but I have to say. GW, thank you for giving Deathwatch the lowest effort possible. It exceeded even my low expectations for what love they'd get in PA. Thank you for the memes.

I get stuff is hard all over but damn, could they give any lazier an effort to their " Update ". I mean it's a buff to the army but damn does it feel like they want me to ask.." Pardon me, may I please have some more ? "

Any lazier efffort? Have you looked at how they treated Ynnari? Drukhari? Etc..

Most non-Marine factions didn't get 10% of the Strats, Litanies, mono-faction bonuses and more that Deathwatch got, lol.


Aside from not being in a shiny book, Deathwatch is easily one of the better-off factions out of PA.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Has been a bit but I have to say. GW, thank you for giving Deathwatch the lowest effort possible. It exceeded even my low expectations for what love they'd get in PA. Thank you for the memes.

I get stuff is hard all over but damn, could they give any lazier an effort to their " Update ". I mean it's a buff to the army but damn does it feel like they want me to ask.." Pardon me, may I please have some more ? "

Any lazier efffort? Have you looked at how they treated Ynnari? Drukhari? Etc..

Most non-Marine factions didn't get 10% of the Strats, Litanies, mono-faction bonuses and more that Deathwatch got, lol.


Aside from not being in a shiny book, Deathwatch is easily one of the better-off factions out of PA.

Also it's not like Deathwatch started PA as an unplayable army either DW simply didn't need massive buffs to their core units and don't have a depth of units to require much more.

Would be cool if they got at least the level of the other Loyalist marines, which they didn't get. They didn't even get the items placed in the magazine properly needing near instant FAQ. That to me is lazy effort given.

Now how bad off the Eldars were done, I was one of the few saying that when it happened, sucks to be them too.

DW aren't unplayable with or without the update and I did say if you bothered to read my post what they got was a buff. A very lazy buff with poorly proof read additions, old wording of rules and a strat removed from marines.

They didn't even get the thought of vanguard marine additions which all other marines did in their updates. No WL traits, no super doctrine ( even if some chapters don't feel too super I admit ) nothing special with the chaplain, no strats.

I mean its cool to say you just don't care they were bad done, but really it was the laziest effort given to loyalist marines. Something worthy of being tossed into a magazine and not even into a book proper.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Would be cool if they got at least the level of the other Loyalist marines

You say that like if other Loyalist marines weren't systematically those that got the most of out PA.
That's like saying "Would be cool they they got at least more than everyone xenos, non-SM imperials or chaos".

Sunny Side Up wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Has been a bit but I have to say. GW, thank you for giving Deathwatch the lowest effort possible. It exceeded even my low expectations for what love they'd get in PA. Thank you for the memes.

I get stuff is hard all over but damn, could they give any lazier an effort to their " Update ". I mean it's a buff to the army but damn does it feel like they want me to ask.." Pardon me, may I please have some more ? "

Any lazier efffort? Have you looked at how they treated Ynnari? Drukhari? Etc..

Most non-Marine factions didn't get 10% of the Strats, Litanies, mono-faction bonuses and more that Deathwatch got, lol.


Aside from not being in a shiny book, Deathwatch is easily one of the better-off factions out of PA.

This is absolutely and utterly incorrect.
Ynnari had a massive update (you have to assume that not everyone got the WD), which means they got 14 pages of updates. basically a new army. yes, some people say they are now unplayable, but i don't really care about the competitive types, I still play them occasionally with my quins and wraith constructs.
Drukhari also received updated Drazhar and Incubi plus custom obsessions for each of the types of Drukhari. Just because they are not that great compared to the codex does not equate to laziness, just ineptness.
Deathwatch got zero effort as it was simply a copy/paste....no effort, no thought, nothing original.

Deathwatch didn't get anything more than what they were good at doing anyway. This was an update that should have automatically occurred when Codex:SM dropped. each other SM army got all of these rules....plus a crap ton more.
You may be anti-marine, but that doesn't change the fact that the comment was factually correct.
When it comes to marine PA updates...Deathwatch rank at the bottom with Wolves, DA, BA and Grey Knights far above them.

 bullyboy wrote:
When it comes to marine PA updates...Deathwatch rank at the bottom with Wolves, DA, BA and Grey Knights far above them.

In total, Grey Knights are still the bottom of all Marines to beh onest. They not only didn't get Vanguards, they not even have Primaris up to this day.

Since the two armies I own are exactly GK and DW, both sucks for me

Pyrosphere wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
When it comes to marine PA updates...Deathwatch rank at the bottom with Wolves, DA, BA and Grey Knights far above them.

In total, Grey Knights are still the bottom of all Marines to beh onest. They not only didn't get Vanguards, they not even have Primaris up to this day.

Since the two armies I own are exactly GK and DW, both sucks for me

Except Grey Knights have become extremely competitive with their new updates, plenty of BRs out there to show that. Not to mention their update was original, and fixed many glaring holes. They got new Tides, 2 pages of strats (more importantly, 10 brand new strategems that aren't copy/paste from marines), a new psychic discipline, 6 new relics, and unique litanies. It was a great update, this did not happen for Deathwatch. I would have settled for 3 new strats, 3 relics, 3 WTs and a unique litany. Would have been ecstatic with that, and it's asking for the minimum.

Pyrosphere wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
When it comes to marine PA updates...Deathwatch rank at the bottom with Wolves, DA, BA and Grey Knights far above them.

In total, Grey Knights are still the bottom of all Marines to beh onest. They not only didn't get Vanguards, they not even have Primaris up to this day.

Since the two armies I own are exactly GK and DW, both sucks for me

Grey Knights resisted the taint of Primaris - sounds about right for the faction, where resisting taint is a key theme.

Given the Deathwatch are already contaminated, they could've at least picked up the Primaris transport thing (whose name escapes me) from the Vanguard wave, if nothing else.

It'd make more sense for DW to have their own specific transports , the Inquisition kits them out with better infantry based weapons, a flyer, wargear... But I guess the problem is that in the fluff the Deathwatch are never meant to deploy as an army. It's like sending special forces to do regular infantry work.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
It'd make more sense for DW to have their own specific transports , the Inquisition kits them out with better infantry based weapons, a flyer, wargear... But I guess the problem is that in the fluff the Deathwatch are never meant to deploy as an army. It's like sending special forces to do regular infantry work.

To be fair, the Astartes are often employed in the same way - its rare (and highly dangerous) for a large force from a Chapter to be fielded - if you loose too many and their geneseed has not been harvested the whole Chapter could be destroyed or at least combat ineffective for a few decades.

Well some special forces do deploy heavy, take a target or area till regular forces arrive then pull out. However with the way of the game special forces often are whole armies and the transports and gear tends to go both ways.

So sorry for the Marine haters out there but yeah Deathwatch got the lazy effort and as much as it burns to hear, it sucks for those who play that faction. Honestly it shocked me how little effort and what nothing they got from PA. I really hope they get a proper update in a book and this is just a hold you over sort of thing.

 bullyboy wrote:

Pyrosphere wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
When it comes to marine PA updates...Deathwatch rank at the bottom with Wolves, DA, BA and Grey Knights far above them.

In total, Grey Knights are still the bottom of all Marines to beh onest. They not only didn't get Vanguards, they not even have Primaris up to this day.

Since the two armies I own are exactly GK and DW, both sucks for me

Except Grey Knights have become extremely competitive with their new updates, plenty of BRs out there to show that. Not to mention their update was original, and fixed many glaring holes. They got new Tides, 2 pages of strats (more importantly, 10 brand new strategems that aren't copy/paste from marines), a new psychic discipline, 6 new relics, and unique litanies. It was a great update, this did not happen for Deathwatch. I would have settled for 3 new strats, 3 relics, 3 WTs and a unique litany. Would have been ecstatic with that, and it's asking for the minimum.

In terms of rules effort you are absolutely right.

I referenced at the overall variety in the army.

Pyrosphere wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:

Pyrosphere wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
When it comes to marine PA updates...Deathwatch rank at the bottom with Wolves, DA, BA and Grey Knights far above them.

In total, Grey Knights are still the bottom of all Marines to beh onest. They not only didn't get Vanguards, they not even have Primaris up to this day.

Since the two armies I own are exactly GK and DW, both sucks for me

Except Grey Knights have become extremely competitive with their new updates, plenty of BRs out there to show that. Not to mention their update was original, and fixed many glaring holes. They got new Tides, 2 pages of strats (more importantly, 10 brand new strategems that aren't copy/paste from marines), a new psychic discipline, 6 new relics, and unique litanies. It was a great update, this did not happen for Deathwatch. I would have settled for 3 new strats, 3 relics, 3 WTs and a unique litany. Would have been ecstatic with that, and it's asking for the minimum.

In terms of rules effort you are absolutely right.

I referenced at the overall variety in the army.

Yeah, they don't have too many units to choose from.....but at least what they get looks damn good!
For Deathwatch, I wish they'd get access to a limited vanguard kill team and allow them to use the Corvus Blackstar. The whole transport bias that GW has developed for marines is really dumb IMHO.

All this crying about DW not getting enough Primaris, and I’m just sitting here thinking they shouldn’t have Primaris at all and need to be fleshed out as it’s own faction of Firstborns.

If the Grey Knights rejected Primaris, why on earth would the Deathwatch embrace it when it was made and presented by those that are willing to work with the Xenos?

Because unless they changed it, it isn't a chapter. It is an organization that draws it's members from other chapters existing forces for a specific length of service. Unless every Marine chapter has rejected Primaris Marines, it would be a major slap in the face diplomatic incidence to reject a chapters soldiers that they requested.

So, a great king is back, he delivered his people from the bounds of mortality.
SILENT KING MODEL FOR 40K INCOMING!!!!
Just kidding it's actually Sigmar, he fits the description just right.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/10/a-regal-returngw-homepage-post-3/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=40K&utm_content=40kregalreturn100520

Definitely looks like the Silent King, since it is more assuredly for 40K.

It was a joke, it's 100% the silent king there are necrons symbols and shape everywhere, you can clearly see the characters depicted are necrons, there is ominous green light everywhere and Sigmar never went away.

 zend wrote:
All this crying about DW not getting enough Primaris, and I’m just sitting here thinking they shouldn’t have Primaris at all and need to be fleshed out as it’s own faction of Firstborns.

If the Grey Knights rejected Primaris, why on earth would the Deathwatch embrace it when it was made and presented by those that are willing to work with the Xenos?

I think the Deathwatch use more alien tech than anyone else...

So what do we really know of what he looks like from fluff?

He is robotic!
Has green light stuff too.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
He is robotic!
Has green light stuff too.

Just like I envisioned :O