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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Voss wrote:


Happily that was my only brush with the 'Satanic Panic' despite living through it. The stories always seemed overblown, but the 'literature' is hilarious.

This particular episode of the ongoing "Culture Wars" has seen some interesting changes though. . . . I mean, we've faced no less than 2 major and one minor congressional hearing with the softly unspoken aim of censorship (the famous/infamous PMRC hearing in 85, then there was a senate hearing that played out damn near the same thing over "gangster rap" in 92 or 93, then there was an almost unmentioned house hearing on rap in general in 94/95) . . . The part that hilariously backfired is that once record labels adopted the advisory warning stickers, those labeled album's sales shot through the roof.

It was because of the satanic panic idiots that I ever even heard about all the fun stuff disney animators put into their cartoons (and, as I've gone through university and looked up *why* they did those things, well, I side with the artists)

Hey, don't bad mouth the PMRC. They got me into extreme metal. See all those parental warning labels were mostly on major labels, so I couldn't buy Slayer or Guns and Roses albums, but Obituary, Napalm Death, and all the awesome stuff coming out of Norway in the early 90s?

Come to think of it, maybe that was a satanic conspiracy....

Not Online!!! wrote:

- Trump and SS ( i mean yeah he has german ancestry but i highly doubt him to be a candidate for that organisation ))

In the US context this means Secret Service, makes more sense read that way.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

- Trump and SS ( i mean yeah he has german ancestry but i highly doubt him to be a candidate for that organisation ))

In the US context this means Secret Service, makes more sense read that way.

In the US it could also be a blatant dog whistle. QAnon has a huge undercurrent in it along these lines. There are elements of that community that all but admit that they think the words "Make American Great Again" really means "Make America White Again." 'Deep state' in the American context, started as a white supremacist conspiracy theory about Jews secretly controlling the world, and QAnon plays a huge part in how George Soros being secretly the Jew controlling American politics was revived from a dead fringe political claim from Bill O'Reilly's tenure on Fox (that almost got him fired in 2008) into mainstream discussion ten later.

I would never dismiss the odd presence of the letters 'SS' in these circles as being coincidental. A big part of conspiracy theory circles in America is white power and victimhood (EDIT: I am not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist), especially when it comes specifically to government conspiracies.

EDIT: Again, not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist. Let's not start that stupid back and forth. Conspiracy theories are like a dumping ground for fringe beliefs and politics, and it's inevitable that lots of hardcore racists wind up there and put their own spin on things.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

- Trump and SS ( i mean yeah he has german ancestry but i highly doubt him to be a candidate for that organisation ))

In the US context this means Secret Service, makes more sense read that way.

In the US it could also be a blatant dog whistle. QAnon has a huge undercurrent in it along these lines. There are elements of that community that all but admit that they think the words "Make American Great Again" really means "Make America White Again." 'Deep state' in the American context, started as a white supremacist conspiracy theory about Jews secretly controlling the world, and QAnon plays a huge part in how George Soros being secretly the Jew controlling American politics was revived from a dead fringe political claim from Bill O'Reilly's tenure on Fox (that almost got him fired in 2008) into mainstream discussion ten later.

I would never dismiss the odd presence of the letters 'SS' in these circles as being coincidental. A big part of conspiracy theory circles in America is white power and victimhood (EDIT: I am not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist), especially when it comes specifically to government conspiracies.

EDIT: Again, not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist. Let's not start that stupid back and forth. Conspiracy theories are like a dumping ground for fringe beliefs and politics, and it's inevitable that lots of hardcore racists wind up there and put their own spin on things.

Of course, but in the larger context in the secret Trump war against paedophiles conspiracy the secret service makes more sense. I'm not denying that there is a significant element of racism to certain conspiracy theories. Just that in the larger QAnon craziness I haven't really seen theories about the continued existence of a Nazi German paramilitary unit currently still operating to help Trump fight an imaginary war. QAnon has quite a lot of antisemitism ingrained, I just haven't seen it go to that level yet on the 'mainstream'.

It might just depend on how literal the post was transcribed here on Dakka from FB.

Been giving it all a good think, and done some exploration.

Perhaps one of the main issues is that because we all (well, a decent number) do high school science, there are those that take such as now being science literate.

For example, confusing watching a bunch of YouTube videos, with actually researching.

I’ll be the first to hold my hand up and confirm that is how I look into things. It’s readily accessible and that.

But, I’m also aware of confirmation bias. So much as I like to shoot down Conspiracy Theories? I also like to identify where their confusion comes in.

The confusion that stems from 1+2+3 = Z. The taking known info, and only applying the relevant bits to whatever narrative you’re pushing.

The very ‘best’ go that little bit further and try to paint anything that counters their conclusion as the work of ‘the man’ - despite their incomplete understanding of the whole meaning that whilst they’ve discounted Fact D, it’s actually necessary for their much vaunted Fact A to work...

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

- Trump and SS ( i mean yeah he has german ancestry but i highly doubt him to be a candidate for that organisation ))

In the US context this means Secret Service, makes more sense read that way.

In the US it could also be a blatant dog whistle. QAnon has a huge undercurrent in it along these lines. There are elements of that community that all but admit that they think the words "Make American Great Again" really means "Make America White Again." 'Deep state' in the American context, started as a white supremacist conspiracy theory about Jews secretly controlling the world, and QAnon plays a huge part in how George Soros being secretly the Jew controlling American politics was revived from a dead fringe political claim from Bill O'Reilly's tenure on Fox (that almost got him fired in 2008) into mainstream discussion ten later.

I would never dismiss the odd presence of the letters 'SS' in these circles as being coincidental. A big part of conspiracy theory circles in America is white power and victimhood (EDIT: I am not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist), especially when it comes specifically to government conspiracies.

EDIT: Again, not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist. Let's not start that stupid back and forth. Conspiracy theories are like a dumping ground for fringe beliefs and politics, and it's inevitable that lots of hardcore racists wind up there and put their own spin on things.

Of course, but in the larger context in the secret Trump war against paedophiles conspiracy the secret service makes more sense. .

No it does not. The secret service has nothing to do with pedophile rings- its completely outside their jurisdiction and mandate. And agents and the media are not shy about reporting when they're misused or behaving out of bounds. The latter was a big issue a decade or so ago.

https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faqs/

The Secret Service has primary jurisdiction to investigate threats against Secret Service protectees as well as financial crimes, which include counterfeiting of U.S. currency or other U.S. Government obligations; forgery or theft of U.S. Treasury checks, bonds or other securities; credit card fraud; telecommunications fraud; computer fraud, identify fraud and certain other crimes affecting federally insured financial institutions.

Unless there is a specific threat against the children of a president or former president or the vice president, children do not come up under Secret Service duties or remit.
'SS' as secret service is really odd assertion. Most people have enough social awareness to not use that as an abbreviation for anything.

Voss wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

- Trump and SS ( i mean yeah he has german ancestry but i highly doubt him to be a candidate for that organisation ))

In the US context this means Secret Service, makes more sense read that way.

In the US it could also be a blatant dog whistle. QAnon has a huge undercurrent in it along these lines. There are elements of that community that all but admit that they think the words "Make American Great Again" really means "Make America White Again." 'Deep state' in the American context, started as a white supremacist conspiracy theory about Jews secretly controlling the world, and QAnon plays a huge part in how George Soros being secretly the Jew controlling American politics was revived from a dead fringe political claim from Bill O'Reilly's tenure on Fox (that almost got him fired in 2008) into mainstream discussion ten later.

I would never dismiss the odd presence of the letters 'SS' in these circles as being coincidental. A big part of conspiracy theory circles in America is white power and victimhood (EDIT: I am not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist), especially when it comes specifically to government conspiracies.

EDIT: Again, not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist. Let's not start that stupid back and forth. Conspiracy theories are like a dumping ground for fringe beliefs and politics, and it's inevitable that lots of hardcore racists wind up there and put their own spin on things.

Of course, but in the larger context in the secret Trump war against paedophiles conspiracy the secret service makes more sense. .

No it does not. The secret service has nothing to do with pedophile rings- its completely outside their jurisdiction and mandate. And agents and the media are not shy about reporting when they're misused or behaving out of bounds. The latter was a big issue a decade or so ago.

https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faqs/

The Secret Service has primary jurisdiction to investigate threats against Secret Service protectees as well as financial crimes, which include counterfeiting of U.S. currency or other U.S. Government obligations; forgery or theft of U.S. Treasury checks, bonds or other securities; credit card fraud; telecommunications fraud; computer fraud, identify fraud and certain other crimes affecting federally insured financial institutions.

Unless there is a specific threat against the children of a president or former president or the vice president, children do not come up under Secret Service duties or remit.
'SS' as secret service is really odd assertion. Most people have enough social awareness to not use that as an abbreviation for anything.

Uhh... i think you missed the overall point that started this. Of course the real secret service has nothing to do with the above. I'm saying that in the world of QAnon conspiracy theories of a Trump shadow war with his SS against powerful paedophile rings, 'his SS' seems to stand for secret service as opposed to schützstaffel. Its a world of crazy conspiracies, concern over real jurisdiction doesn't really feature in the QAnon stuff.

As for social awareness, I see Americans often using SS as referring to social security.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Hey, don't bad mouth the PMRC. They got me into extreme metal. See all those parental warning labels were mostly on major labels, so I couldn't buy Slayer or Guns and Roses albums, but Obituary, Napalm Death, and all the awesome stuff coming out of Norway in the early 90s?

Come to think of it, maybe that was a satanic conspiracy....

Lol, my final history project for undergrad was on metal and the PMRC incident, I know quite well, down to having printed off literally the entire senate transcript from the day when Tipper, Frank Zappa, John fething Denver, and Dee Snyder all testified at capitol hill.

There is a Facebook group where tons of people are claiming Google is working on a program for the state and federal government to enable the government to track every individual during this pandemic lockdown. Then they can supposedly go to your house and fine you for any unnecessary travel, and/or forcibly quarantine you.

So the group is encouraging people to turn their phones off when they get in the car so they can drive to any location or distance that they wish.

Turning off your phone will not help. You have to remove the battery which is being made harder to do by the manufacturer.

At least there's one bonus- people with their phones off won't be texting and distracted whilst driving.

Although google tracks movement anyway, isn't that basically how their traffic system works for their gps system

So... leave the phone at home?

Bran Dawri wrote:
So... leave the phone at home?

I assume they would still like to get rescued if their courageous act of civil disobedience gets them into trouble, hence taking it with?

Bran Dawri wrote:
So... leave the phone at home?

That would seem to somewhat defeat the point of having a mobile phone...

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
So... leave the phone at home?

I assume they would still like to get rescued if their courageous act of civil disobedience gets them into trouble, hence taking it with?

Resisting the deep state is hard if you can't listen to Alex Jones podcasts and tweet racist abuse at black senators when you're sat in the woods with your bug out bag.

nfe wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
So... leave the phone at home?

I assume they would still like to get rescued if their courageous act of civil disobedience gets them into trouble, hence taking it with?

Resisting the deep state is hard if you can't listen to Alex Jones podcasts and tweet racist abuse at black senators when you're sat in the woods with your bug out bag.

Wait why are conspiracy theorists racist now? Sides who needs a phone for podcasts when I still have a gen 1 ipod with no gps capability.

 portugus wrote:
Wait why are conspiracy theorists racist now? Sides who needs a phone for podcasts when I still have a gen 1 ipod with no gps capability.

To quote myself:

A big part of conspiracy theory circles in America is white power and victimhood (EDIT: I am not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist), especially when it comes specifically to government conspiracies.

EDIT: Again, not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist. Let's not start that stupid back and forth. Conspiracy theories are like a dumping ground for fringe beliefs and politics, and it's inevitable that lots of hardcore racists wind up there and put their own spin on things.

The crackpot Facebook anti-quarantine group tons of conservative are following here in Michigan has many claims about how the quarantine is being racist against white people, by forcing us to stay home from traditionally white hobbies, like boating and golfing. It's like half of them are masturbating to who can compare the government members to Nazis or Hitler himself, and the other half are wringing their hands at their victimhood.

Metaphorically, I would not want to have to look a citizen from 1918 in the eye right now, with what they went through in that flu pandemic. Or during WW2 on the homefront.

 LordofHats wrote:

 portugus wrote:
Wait why are conspiracy theorists racist now? Sides who needs a phone for podcasts when I still have a gen 1 ipod with no gps capability.

To quote myself:

A big part of conspiracy theory circles in America is white power and victimhood (EDIT: I am not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist), especially when it comes specifically to government conspiracies.

EDIT: Again, not saying all conspiracy theorists are racist. Let's not start that stupid back and forth. Conspiracy theories are like a dumping ground for fringe beliefs and politics, and it's inevitable that lots of hardcore racists wind up there and put their own spin on things.

I recently have run in an Holodomor denier and a soviet Purge denier. Nutjobs beeing nutjobs is something you'll find on all scales of the bar.




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 AegisGrimm wrote:
The crackpot Facebook anti-quarantine group tons of conservative are following here in Michigan has many claims about how the quarantine is being racist against white people, by forcing us to stay home from traditionally white hobbies, like boating and golfing. It's like half of them are masturbating to who can compare the government members to Nazis or Hitler himself, and the other half are wringing their hands at their victimhood.

Define "white"hobbies. Or "black" hobbies for that matter? A spaniard might regard bullfighting as a hobby, i do Hornussen, i also ain't golfing or boating. 0 similarity. it's as if the local region and people and availability decide about the hobbies practiced....
I also like the Nazi comparison, because if anything i^'d assume that if you call a clown that you are probably the superior clown, just not a funny one.

Metaphorically, I would not want to have to look a citizen from 1918 in the eye right now, with what they went through in that flu pandemic. Or during WW2 on the homefront.

The times weren't that diffrent, it's just you have to replace Social media with regular media. I do a paper atm about the reaction torwards a emergency law during WW1 that tangents cantonal authonomy, let me tell you some off the paper headlines have aged not one bit if you'd use it online

Specifically around Covid-19, Baldy Cats on YouTube has a snippet of a woman claiming ‘black People can’t get it’.

Which is...well, 100% wrong. Indeed, in the U.K. they seem to be disproportionately affected as a percentage of cases compared to percentage of populace.

Now, the ins and outs of the Established Fact aren’t relevant to this thread, and something of a political rabbit hole. So let’s not.

But it serves to show that race can be weaponised in all sorts of incredibly bizarre ways.

Here’s the video I mentioned. It makes for interesting viewing. It’s kind of a clip show, and has a common theme of people claiming to be right about what a Virus is. Say what you like about Gwyneth Paltrow, she’s not quite as nutty as this lot....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kitLGWIBL4

Here’s the video I mentioned. It makes for interesting viewing. It’s kind of a clip show, and has a common theme of people claiming to be right about what a Virus is. Say what you like about Gwyneth Paltrow, she’s not quite as nutty as this lot....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kitLGWIBL4

See, that is why i called it out as beeing an issue with the education of people in the Coronoavirus thread initially.
Propper general education could've easily cut down that nonsense fast.

I dunno dude. The wilfully ignorant will continue to be wilfully ignorant.

And here’s a solid vid from SciManDan giving the lowdown on the 5G nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C137OyVrzVA

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I dunno dude. The wilfully ignorant will continue to be wilfully ignorant.

And here’s a solid vid from SciManDan giving the lowdown on the 5G nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C137OyVrzVA

The willfully ignorant though will be morelikely to be called out.
Which in term leads to a lot less credit given to them and their often inane "theories"

 Jjohnso11 wrote:
Would it be a conspiracy to say the Chinese Government engineered a virus in an attempt to damage capitalism and convert more countries to socialism?

No, it would be a hypothesis (barely), that requires evidence before belief is justified.....and definitely before retelling as fact (hidden by the standard excuse of "I am just asking questions").

Steelmage99 wrote:

 Jjohnso11 wrote:
Would it be a conspiracy to say the Chinese Government engineered a virus in an attempt to damage capitalism and convert more countries to socialism?

No, it would be a hypothesis (barely), that requires evidence before belief is justified.....and definitely before retelling as fact (hidden by the standard excuse of "I am just asking questions").

Then there's the fact that the highest members of the Chines Peoples republic themselves are large buisness owners with vested interests in a healthy capitalistic market envirnoment?

 Jjohnso11 wrote:


My cell phone receives constant communications with an extremely powerful tower that is flooding our immediate area with frequencies and wavelengths.

I challenge you to more away from descriptive words and into actual numbers.
The put those numbers in context, with other electronic equipment.


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 Orlanth wrote:


We are living in the End Times, this much is certain, and are thus now living on the End Times religious clock.

"Vaccines causes autism, this much is certain."
"The Earth is flat, this much is certain."

I allready answered him with the pndemics list.

I challenge you to more away from descriptive words and into actual numbers.
The put those numbers in context, with other electronic equipment.

Points at the microwave whilest swinging a Crucifix and holly water at it whilest shouting "I BANISH THEE DAEMON!"


Jokes aside, Dosis macht das Gift. (funnily enough i live near where the dude said that.) Dose makes the poison.

OK let’s move away from the edge of religious discussion whilst we’re still on the right side of it

 Laughing Man wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
*snipped long-ass post*

Welcome to Q-Anon! They also think JFK Jr. will be Trump's running mate in 2020. Yes, the dead guy.

Q posts are the modern versions of Nostradamus quatrains.

Vague and broad enough to be (re)interpreted as really specific in hind sight, but utterly useless to actually predict anything.
As with Nostradamus, those crumbs that doesn't pan out are simply ignored.

Those who doesn't know history are doomed to repeat it.

Also a general trait of the Conspirasphere.

Any predictions/claims tend to be wide, and sometimes loony, enough that sooner or later, if one squints in the right way, parts look to be correct.

That of course, as explained earlier, is interpreted as the whole thing being correct. And as always, all evidence against is either outright ignored and not acknowledged, or claimed as proof of a cover up.

A ‘good’ conspiracy theory is generally self sustaining in terms of nonsense, misinterpretation and misapplication of evidence.e