harlokin wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
Roleplaying pet peeves?
Players who seem to think that everything found during an adventure belongs to "the group" (ie, them), and then never help with searching for treasure or provide meaningful contributions elsewhere.
Case in point, in a recent adventure after defeating a monster, my character starts searching through the muck a gore of its lair for treasure. The entire adventure already, he's been more than pulling his weight - a rogue with the soldier background (ie a scout), coming up with tactics to overcome greater numbers, dealing good amounts of damage via sneak attack, scouting ahead etc, and being basically the only one who even tries to look for loot - usually not finding much, but every little bit helps, right? Nobody really cares about this stuff...

Now in this lair he finally hits the jackpot -everybody else is just standing around- and suddenly everybody wants their share. So he just turns around and says "I don't see anybody else digging through the muck. Why should I?"

My response would be:

"Good idea digging through that muck, we'll have to be more thorough in future. This adventuring party operates on the basis of equal shares, if you don't like it, feel free to find another. That loot belongs to us as a group, the fact that you have been doing your job, doesn't change that, and you wouldn't be in the postion to find that loot if it wasn't for the whole party. You can share it and like it, share it and not like it, or we can bury you in the muck instead."

 Elbows wrote:
pretending you are "the" source of how people should and could role-play.

It is entirely feasible for people to role-play outside of your 'rules'.

Please stop pretending that your opinion is some kind of fact.

You're coming off as an absolute tool bag, just so you're aware.

Avatar 720 wrote:

You cannot divorce player knowledge from character knowledge. That the player knows it exists is the reason the character does. If the player knows something, their character knows it, the same way an Int 1 character might be able to figure out a complex maths problem that an Int 20 character might not, because the Int 1 player is good at maths.

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 Lance845 wrote:
Yes you can. It's called role playing. And people who are interested in playing a role playing game will restrict their character knowledge to the characters knowledge.

No, they won't, and it's incredibly narcissistic to assume that

It's easy. The player asks the DM "Would my character know _____?" And then you either say yes, if they obviously would, no if they obviously wouldn't, or roll a knowledge check if you are unsure.

That's not easy. That's stopping the game at arbitrary points so I can ask the DM to enlighten me about my character. Where's the line? At what point can I stop asking the DM what I can and cannot know and actually play the goddamn game with my goddamn character? I might as well be playing a puppet. If a character obviously knows something, you tell them, you don't wait for them to ask. If they don't, and they ask, you go through the motions if it's important to do so. (I.E. Will not knowing this have consequences? If yes, roll, if no, you tell them no. If you're rolling because you're unsure then you aren't looking at the issue correctly - if there's no consequence to not knowing something then what's the point in rolling? Just decide if they logically should or not, because it makes no difference.) If they come out with something you didn't expect, you roll with it, because that's how D&D works. So a player knows trolls are weak to fire and acid - and you should've really assumed that to begin with - their reward is overcoming an obstacle under their own steam, not overcoming an obstacle in spite of it when you decide they can't do that.

The game allows for characters to know things even when the player doesn't.

Do you know how absurd that is? What's the point in even making a character? Just ask the GM to make them all and hand them out, because it's not like the player actually matters if only the DM knows what the characters know.

 Kalamadea wrote:
Aquisitions Inc.

Don't get me wrong, I have been an avid Penny Arcade reader since 2001, and I love that they do all the the conventions and Child's Play events and run D&D games, but I don't want to replicate it. I certainly don't want to play in "their" world. The occasional story about Jim Darkmagic hijinks is great, and the original idea for them doing the original Aquisitions Inc as their adventuring team is great, but I DON'T want to play as an "Aquisitions Inc. franchise"...

So, of COURSE the last campaign started is as an Aquisitions Inc franchise. *heavy sigh* We're up to level 5 in Ghosts of Saltmarsh, and every time it comes up I lose every ounce of enthusiasm I have for my character