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The player is not in control of the new character when the character from the first game is killed. They play as Ellie, one of the main characters from the original game, for the first half and Abby for the second half.
It is called The Last of Us Part 2 because it is a direct continuation of the story. Just because you're not controlling same character means nothing.
You changed who you controlled with each season of Telltale's The Walking Dead (Lee, Clem, Javier/Clem, Clem) and nobody claimed that was misleading.
MGS2 switched from Solid Snake to Raiden and then MGS3 had Naked Snake (Big Boss), FFX-2 had you controlling Yuna rather than Tidus, Chrono Cross had completely new controllable characters to Chrono Trigger, Red Dead Redemption (John Marston) to Red Dead Redemption 2 (Arthur Morgan) etc.
Game sequels not having the player control the same character as the previous game is not new. Neither is previously playable characters dying.
So why exactly should this game, which is a direct continuation of the narrative of the previous game, not be labelled as a direct sequel?
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
What kind of fool would spend money on a product that already repulses him, just to find out why it specifically repulses him?
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flamingkillamajig wrote: Also the fact channels got copyright claims for merely talking about the leaks is bs and you know it.
Uh, you might want to look into that. I'm pretty sure that everything up to and including promotional images that were released to the public were getting copyright strikes.
FFS, the shady little company they hired to copyright strike by proxy even flagged Sony's official page with a video.
I think the dude in question showed one image but not sure. This is NSFW if you listen without headphones. This is his story.
The guy from the channel is black. Not that it matters but just saying if anybody goes for the "you don't like diversity route". He uses quite a few swears since he is fed up. You have been warned.
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A Town Called Malus wrote: The player is not in control of the new character when the character from the first game is killed. They play as Ellie, one of the main characters from the original game, for the first half and Abby for the second half.
It is called The Last of Us Part 2 because it is a direct continuation of the story. Just because you're not controlling same character means nothing.
It's a bait and switch.
You changed who you controlled with each season of Telltale's The Walking Dead (Lee, Clem, Javier/Clem, Clem) and nobody claimed that was misleading.
Did you at any point play the murderer of one of your previous characters?
MGS2 switched from Solid Snake to Raiden and then MGS3 had Naked Snake (Big Boss), FFX-2 had you controlling Yuna rather than Tidus, Chrono Cross had completely new controllable characters to Chrono Trigger, Red Dead Redemption (John Marston) to Red Dead Redemption 2 (Arthur Morgan) etc.
Game sequels not having the player control the same character as the previous game is not new. Neither is previously playable characters dying.
So why exactly should this game, which is a direct continuation of the narrative of the previous game, not be labelled as a direct sequel?
Tidus was "dead" at the end of X, making him difficult to use as a protagonist in X-2, and X-2 was almost universally panned. Further, the game was about *SAVING* Tidus, not murdering him. Chrono Cross was lambasted by fans for what it did to the characters from Chrono Trigger (specifically Luca, Robo, and Schala). And again, the game was about SAVING one of the characters from the first game - Schala. I'm not familiar enough with either MGS or RDR to make any statements about them. But the two games that I mentioned are in fact good examples of why you don't go arbitrarily changing things around. Plus, again, both X-2 and CC were about helping one of the characters from the original game who found themselves in a seemingly fatal predicament. That's not the case here.
I've listed multiple reasons why this is a bad idea. Your defense of it largely consists of repeating the mantra "there are consequences for bad actions" over and over again, and I've shown that there are other ways of doing so aside from arbitrarily murdering a former protagonist (and the method that I listed is by no means the only way of doing so that doesn't involve murdering the former protagonist). I think it's clear that you're not going to budge on this issue, and there's nothing that anyone can say that would change your mind.
Eumerin wrote: Chrono Cross was lambasted by fans for what it did to the characters from Chrono Trigger (specifically Luca, Robo, and Schala). And again, the game was about SAVING one of the characters from the first game - Schala....
...Plus, again, both X-2 and CC were about helping one of the characters from the original game who found themselves in a seemingly fatal predicament. That's not the case here.
Chrono Cross was also universally praised by critics and is regarded as one of the best playstation 1 games and one of the best games of all time, period. It was also very well received by the vast majority of players. Those complaining about the differences from the original and what happened with the characters were quite limited.
As to the second part. We don't know that as we haven't experienced the story. What we have is the equivalent of someone hopping on a message board and posting that Snape kills Dumbledore and then he is the hero in the next book. The cold facts of the plot points are true and make it seem trite but it ignores all of the context around how those events occur and it is that context which determines whether that story is good or bad.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
I don't criticize Cross for killing off the the cast of the original game, but I do criticize it for doing it poorly. There's no build up or weight to it and it really adds no weight or purpose to the story. It's just kind of mean spirited and pointless. It's also so inconsequential that you can almost miss out on it entirely if you're not paying attention, which is why it doesn't really hold back Cross that much (though the game really hasn't aged well).
All that said, that has NO bearing on this. What we're talking about here is the death of a main character rooted in the story as a direct consequence of that character's actions. That can be and has been done very very well. It's also a series that's about violence and loss and how our own needs can make us worse than monsters. I'm not sure how anyone is really surprised to hear the story go in this direction. Honestly, its pretty much what I assumed from the first trailer.
Eumerin wrote: Chrono Cross was lambasted by fans for what it did to the characters from Chrono Trigger (specifically Luca, Robo, and Schala). And again, the game was about SAVING one of the characters from the first game - Schala....
...Plus, again, both X-2 and CC were about helping one of the characters from the original game who found themselves in a seemingly fatal predicament. That's not the case here.
Chrono Cross was also universally praised by critics and is regarded as one of the best playstation 1 games and one of the best games of all time, period. It was also very well received by the vast majority of players. Those complaining about the differences from the original and what happened with the characters were quite limited.
As to the second part. We don't know that as we haven't experienced the story. What we have is the equivalent of someone hopping on a message board and posting that Snape kills Dumbledore and then he is the hero in the next book. The cold facts of the plot points are true and make it seem trite but it ignores all of the context around how those events occur and it is that context which determines whether that story is good or bad.
Yeah, no. Cross is pretty much reviled by anyone who's played it for what it ended up doing to Trigger.
Eumerin wrote: Chrono Cross was lambasted by fans for what it did to the characters from Chrono Trigger (specifically Luca, Robo, and Schala). And again, the game was about SAVING one of the characters from the first game - Schala....
...Plus, again, both X-2 and CC were about helping one of the characters from the original game who found themselves in a seemingly fatal predicament. That's not the case here.
Chrono Cross was also universally praised by critics and is regarded as one of the best playstation 1 games and one of the best games of all time, period. It was also very well received by the vast majority of players. Those complaining about the differences from the original and what happened with the characters were quite limited.
As to the second part. We don't know that as we haven't experienced the story. What we have is the equivalent of someone hopping on a message board and posting that Snape kills Dumbledore and then he is the hero in the next book. The cold facts of the plot points are true and make it seem trite but it ignores all of the context around how those events occur and it is that context which determines whether that story is good or bad.
Yeah, no. Cross is pretty much reviled by anyone who's played it for what it ended up doing to Trigger.
Small potatoes. Diablo 3 sold almost three times that in its first 24 hours, when most users were still getting login errors, and the game as a whole was panned very, very badly.
But 'copies sold' isn't an opinion on the game.
Ok,
a) there's zero information on those ratings. No context, or justification. just that barely a couple thousand people pushed a ratings button somewhere. They could be Squeenix fans. Or bored. Or a (very brief) bot cycle.
b) they're rating just specifically the PSP/PS3 conversion, and offer nothing on the original game... twelve years later.
c) there's really very, very few of them, especially compared to the sales number you started with. And 9 years to press a ratings button (for the conversion republished in 2011, which is what's on that page). That's a level of disinterest that suggests that it isn't even interesting enough to hate.
You mentioned universal praise by critics? Can you produce some of those?
You have the link to the metacritic page. From there you can access all the reviews used to calculate that meta score. You can also go on wikipeida and use the links to the reviews.
Eumerin wrote: Chrono Cross was lambasted by fans for what it did to the characters from Chrono Trigger (specifically Luca, Robo, and Schala). And again, the game was about SAVING one of the characters from the first game - Schala....
...Plus, again, both X-2 and CC were about helping one of the characters from the original game who found themselves in a seemingly fatal predicament. That's not the case here.
Chrono Cross was also universally praised by critics and is regarded as one of the best playstation 1 games and one of the best games of all time, period. It was also very well received by the vast majority of players. Those complaining about the differences from the original and what happened with the characters were quite limited.
As to the second part. We don't know that as we haven't experienced the story. What we have is the equivalent of someone hopping on a message board and posting that Snape kills Dumbledore and then he is the hero in the next book. The cold facts of the plot points are true and make it seem trite but it ignores all of the context around how those events occur and it is that context which determines whether that story is good or bad.
Yeah, no. Cross is pretty much reviled by anyone who's played it for what it ended up doing to Trigger.
Do you have anything to back up that it is reviled?
That's not a lot of copies sold in all honesty. Actually a lot less than i thought. Those reviews are eh. I can go find reveiws praising Sticker Star and Other M. Side question, please don't tell me you think something like Other M is actually good? Because it's about the same level of this. And Metacritic is...not worth the web page it's printed on.
As for backup? Anybody who's actually played both games. I'd suggest you go find a few independent youtube reviews.
As for backup? Anybody who's actually played both games. I'd suggest you go find a few independent youtube reviews.
I've played both, Trigger first then Cross. They are both amazing in their own ways. So I guess your evidence is refuted as you don't seem to actually have any.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Wow the content of the leaks sure has folks stirred up. Didn't they say at some point this game was going to have more "choices" for the player and it isn't as on-rails as the first one? If that is the case, could the leaks just be reflective of scenes/story points where "bad choices" by the player were made and there are alternative paths with different outcomes?
Critics being bought and paid for is super old news. I'm more shocked people don't believe it. It was going on well before things became political. I think there was a website telling a critic to give a good review for the first Kane and lynch game because they were paid in advance and he wouldn't give a good review so got fired. Critic reviews may as well be written on toilet paper at this point.
@petrov27: I hope so. It's just frustrating to see so many half ***ed games now esp. Forcing diversity whether they believe in it, they're trying to please some customers or they want to get away with a crappy product saying if you don't buy into it you're a bigot. You know if they had someone gay without saying you're a bigot if it makes you feel a bit weird instead of slowly getting you to like the character or the character had more depth than just being gay then it wouldn't be an issue. In this case a trans person (supposedly trans?) Kills the 2 main heroes of the last game and in a lot of media they disrespect old characters with new ones to push the new characters which just pisses people off and if you call them bigots don't be surprised when they call you on your BS.
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Critics being bought and paid for is super old news. I'm more shocked people don't believe it. It was going on well before things became political. I think there was a website telling a critic to give a good review for the first Kane and lynch game because they were paid in advance and he wouldn't give a good review so got fired. Critic reviews may as well be written on toilet paper at this point.
@petrov27: I hope so. It's just frustrating to see so many half ***ed games now esp. Forcing diversity whether they believe in it, they're trying to please some customers or they want to get away with a crappy product saying if you don't buy into it you're a bigot. You know if they had someone gay without saying you're a bigot if it makes you feel a bit weird instead of slowly getting you to like the character or the character had more depth than just being gay then it wouldn't be an issue. In this case a trans person (supposedly trans?) Kills the 2 main heroes of the last game and in a lot of media they disrespect old characters with new ones to push the new characters which just pisses people off and if you call them bigots don't be surprised when they call you on your BS.
It boggles my mind too in all fairness, people who defend the press corruption in the gaming industry are usually doing so on ideological grounds and not factual ones, thankfully the gaming journo industry like other ones is dying.
Please stay on the topic of The Last Of Us Part 2, not what you think of game media or the thread.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
The reviews are in, and surprise surprise, the games "journalists" love it but the actual gamers hate it.
Also I find it odd that Sony goes out of their way to censor and blacklist anime tiddys but is ok with explicit, under-age sex scenes so long as it's got enough Oppression Olympics points.
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The reviews are in, and surprise surprise, the games "journalists" love it but the actual gamers hate it.
Also I find it odd that Sony goes out of their way to censor and blacklist anime tiddys but is ok with explicit, under-age sex scenes so long as it's got enough Oppression Olympics points.
The actual gamers who have only had the game, which is around a 20-30 hour game, for around 8 hours by the time the userscore was bombed?
The reviews are in, and surprise surprise, the games "journalists" love it but the actual gamers hate it.
Also I find it odd that Sony goes out of their way to censor and blacklist anime tiddys but is ok with explicit, under-age sex scenes so long as it's got enough Oppression Olympics points.
I mean, this seems to be the case since Sony Playstation Headquarters moved to California, which is basically the starting point for any company becoming saturated in "woke" politics and kot-towing to their brand of censorship. It's the weird double standard that I really hate and it's just carries on that weird Western taboo that somehow mass murder is 2 kool 4 school but show a nipslip and you get thrown into the jailhouse.
Might also be connected as a revenge campaign against Sony and naughtydog breaking free use in YouTube .
But tbf that is more a YouTube issue...
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Not Online!!! wrote: Might also be connected as a revenge campaign against Sony and naughtydog breaking free use in YouTube .
But tbf that is more a YouTube issue...
Yeah didn't they also take down a middle of the road youtuber's game review that said he didn't like the game. I think his name was Skill Up.
Sony is just breaking the rules and they're allowed to i guess due to being a big company.
I see maybe one person on twitch playing it right now. I saw a bit but nothing so far seems like 10 out of 10 level of awesomeness from every single professional gaming site.
Edit: Ok so as far as watching the game goes i'd say if i had to describe it so far it's....Boring. I just feel really bored watching it. Lots of talking, a little bit of fighting (very little) and lots of scrounging. It just feels like it drags on.
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Not Online!!! wrote: Might also be connected as a revenge campaign against Sony and naughtydog breaking free use in YouTube .
But tbf that is more a YouTube issue...
Yeah didn't they also take down a middle of the road youtuber's game review that said he didn't like the game. I think his name was Skill Up.
Sony is just breaking the rules and they're allowed to i guess due to being a big company.
I see maybe one person on twitch playing it right now. I saw a bit but nothing so far seems like 10 out of 10 level of awesomeness from every single professional gaming site.
Edit: Ok so as far as watching the game goes i'd say if i had to describe it so far is....Boring. I just feel really bored watching it. Lots of talking, a little bit of fighting and lots of scrounging. It just feels like it drags on.
They didn't bother regardless of opinion they went in and did indiscriminately Nuke everything, Heck even just talking about the spoilers, which Made even amicable youtubers hostile to them.
They probably went in more brutally then the french surpressed the hugenots in the south of France.
Infact they got flak from everyone including jim sterling to the quartering to skillup to angry joe..
Heck one threathened to go to Court with Sony.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
So i don't know how but the character that everybody says dies does die. The person playing it right now had Ellie and her romantic partner mention it.
There's been a couple small fights in the game since the last ones but it's very slow. In the entire time the main characters were trying to get some gas and search areas for supplies and collect cards. No real use for the cards except to collect i guess.
Yeah i know about Just Some Guy dealing with sony because they kept trying to take down his channel even though he only posted 2 pictures of the Trans lady (is she trans?). Sony nuked things pretty hard.
The guy i'm watching play it on twitch says the biggest thing ellie's girlfriend has contributed to the plot so far is "I love you Ellie."
I mean, this seems to be the case since Sony Playstation Headquarters moved to California, which is basically the starting point for any company becoming saturated in "woke" politics and kot-towing to their brand of censorship.
Sony's primary US presence and the overwhelming bulk of their US development, testing, and localization, and general North America business operations have been operating out of California for 25 years now, I was a QA tester there at SCEA over 10 years ago. There's nothing new about CA and Sony, this sort of political injection isn't going to do the thread any good, let's drop the RL politics and get the thread back on the topic of Last Of Us Part 2, thanks!.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
Lots of games and media franchises have social/political commentary, but not every Bioshock conversation has to be a review and critique of Ayn Rand's political philosophies as expressed through Andrew Ryan, nor does every discussion about Star Trek need to get into the ostensibly deeply anti-capitalistic attitudes of the Federation or the activism/views of particular actors.
If all people want to do is play culture wars, please find somewhere else to do it. If you have problems with the story, that's fine, by all means discuss it, but what state SCE's HQ is located in isn't terribly relevant, nor are the ambiguous biases of nebulously defined journalists/the media. One can pick apart story problems without getting into stuff like that.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
The reviews are in, and surprise surprise, the games "journalists" love it but the actual gamers hate it.
Also I find it odd that Sony goes out of their way to censor and blacklist anime tiddys but is ok with explicit, under-age sex scenes so long as it's got enough Oppression Olympics points.
The actual gamers who have only had the game, which is around a 20-30 hour game, for around 8 hours by the time the userscore was bombed?
And then he goes after Schreier, think of the man what you want but he was right to call out the scenes beeing as powerfull as Schindlers Liste.
Yikes, that's a lot of EGO for a developper that has massive issues with workersrights and crunch...
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
And a collectors card.