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Mainly just wanting to see peoples opinions on this and see whether they agree. Psychic awakening is in full swing and we've seen wars and strife across the galaxy. We now learn that the Silent king himself may be making his return. One of my friends seems to think that this is the opportune moment to announce a new edition.
His reasoning behind this is that once psychic awakening is done, the state of the galaxy will have shifted drastically and a restructure of the rules will allow GW to bring all old and new releases up to scratch. This isn't likely to be a this year deal, but will be on the cards for a next year roll out.The absence of an april FAQ (This could also just be Coronavirus related, but he thinks they should have had at least something to work with for it) just reaffirms this a bit more in his eyes.

Opinions?

It could be sure but honestly GW'd be dumb to announce 9th edition now due to the PA backlog. if I was GW assuming 9th edition was coming I'd hold off until the fall and release it as a christmas item

Might want to look at this thread: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/788441.page

Its not 9th. But I think its a new FAQ with FW 2.0

I very much doubt it’s a new edition. I can’t see them announcing a new edition until they’ve finished all the PA announcements.

As to what it might be, I’m not sure. Probably PA stuff: upcoming releases, any other books for PA etc. Plus reveals for currently announced PA stuff, knights, necrons, Custodes, EC etc. Maybe a primarch?

I'd love to say that GW wouldn't be daft enough to spring a new edition on us literally straight after a major campaign and multiple book releases for the current edition...

*glowers at Traitor Legions*
*glowers at End Times*

Crispy78 wrote:
I'd love to say that GW wouldn't be daft enough to spring a new edition on us literally straight after a major campaign and multiple book releases for the current edition...

*glowers at Traitor Legions*
*glowers at End Times*

Current books will most likely still be applicable as a new edition does not mean they are pulling AoS 0.0 or 8th edition 40k. Like all other editions it can mean small updates, better wording(hopefully) of rules, and maybe some minor changes - like some cover rules. It's what they did in AoS 2.0 and I am still using my AoS 1.0 DoK and ID Tomes to good success. AoS also had a campaign(Malign Portents) and other things leading up to AoS 2.0 and all of those things were applicable in AoS 2.0 even if they were released in AoS 1.0.

People have to stop thinking that 8th edition has been the only 40k release in the past 20 years. Most editions tweaked and changed things without invalidating older books. I used my Asuryani(4th edition codex that was used until it got updated in 6th) and Drukhari(5th edition codex that was then updated in 7th) codex through several editions before they got an update and were never invalidated unless a new codex for that faction was released.

The Dark Imperium box has also oversaturated the market and is most likely not selling very much these days. I also doubt GW wants to reprint the rulebook from Dark Imperium infinitely as it is at this point a bit of a garbage book due to all the updates and FAQs. Good for lore and not much else.

I could totally see GW going to 9th ed after PA, but I think they won’t announce it until PA has all wrapped up and the new releases are done. I imagine that would negatively impact sales of the yet to be released PA stuff, which GW will almost certainly avoid.

I hope it's a 2.0 (well 9.0) like they did with AOS. Clean up the rules and fix a few of the worst offenders (really hoping for a fix to soup for CP generation). Game direly needs some kind of base cleaning. It won't invalidate existing books though just like AOS didn't.

Tristanleo wrote:
Mainly just wanting to see peoples opinions on this and see whether they agree. Psychic awakening is in full swing and we've seen wars and strife across the galaxy. We now learn that the Silent king himself may be making his return. One of my friends seems to think that this is the opportune moment to announce a new edition.
His reasoning behind this is that once psychic awakening is done, the state of the galaxy will have shifted drastically and a restructure of the rules will allow GW to bring all old and new releases up to scratch. This isn't likely to be a this year deal, but will be on the cards for a next year roll out.The absence of an april FAQ (This could also just be Coronavirus related, but he thinks they should have had at least something to work with for it) just reaffirms this a bit more in his eyes.

Opinions?

Possible? Certainly. One could even say likely. Not quaranteed though. It's certainly possibility.

HOWEVER and to stress this once more CODEXES WON'T BE INVALIDATED! No more "they wouldn't release codex only to invalidate it that soon". Apart from GW having history of invalidating within year or so(says guy who started vampire counts at the tail end of 5th ed FB) but they dont' invalidate codexes/army books that often. Twice in 40k, once in FB, so far never in AOS. We are not talking about them invalidating codexes all the time.



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BrianDavion wrote:
It could be sure but honestly GW'd be dumb to announce 9th edition now due to the PA backlog. if I was GW assuming 9th edition was coming I'd hold off until the fall and release it as a christmas item

What makes PA so special though? Those PA contents would still be 100% valid and legal in 9th ed.


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Aash wrote:
I could totally see GW going to 9th ed after PA, but I think they won’t announce it until PA has all wrapped up and the new releases are done. I imagine that would negatively impact sales of the yet to be released PA stuff, which GW will almost certainly avoid.

Why? You get models, usable in 9th ed, and books and rules, usable in 9th ed. Not even timeline is really issue since PA as is is in the history between 7th ed and 8th ed so "they wouldn't want to release PA when 9th ed brings in timeline shift to future" is void. They are already detailing past events so who cares even if 9th brought forth further leap toward future? PA would still be dealing with history rather than "present" whether it's 8th or 9th.

tneva82 wrote:
What makes PA so special though? Those PA contents would still be 100% valid and legal in 9th ed.

Like how books from 7th ed were still valid in 8th?

While GW's track record is books being usable immediately between editions, that's not always been the case, and the most recent example has been a full change. You simply can't say with certainty that a 9th edition wouldn't feature similarly drastic changes.

I wasn’t thinking they will wait til PA is finished from a fluff standpoint, but rather from a rules one.

I suspect (with no data/evidence) that there would be some who would be less likely to buy an upcoming PA book or unit with new rules in PA if there was a 9th edition on the horizon.

Not saying it can’t/won’t happen, but I can’t see how announcing 9th now would boost sales, while it might be seen as possibly reducing sales. So it’s a potential loss without a potential gain. Announcing 9th after PA has run it’s course wouldn’t carry any of this risk and there doesn’t seem to be any downside to delaying any such announcement. I just can’t imagine the board meeting where they would decide to take a risk to sales with no potential upside.


Edit: double post.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
What makes PA so special though? Those PA contents would still be 100% valid and legal in 9th ed.

Like how books from 7th ed were still valid in 8th?

While GW's track record is books being usable immediately between editions, that's not always been the case, and the most recent example has been a full change. You simply can't say with certainty that a 9th edition wouldn't feature similarly drastic changes.

So you look at the ONE case in 2 decades and think OBVIOUSLY they will invalidate books right away?

Howabout I point to 3rd ed books you could use in 7th ed.

It's exceedingly unlikely 9th ed will invalidate. GW has done invalidation of codexes total of 3 times in it's history. Twice in 40k(2->3, 7->8), once in FB(5->6) and never in AOS. That's 3 cases when combined we have 18 editions. And the only game that has happened more than once had 2 decades.

Wanna bet on 9th ed invalidating books?-) I'm taking bet on side of not invalidating.

Saturdays announcement is not going to be 9th edition, or 8.5. No one, especially not GW, can clean up the mess that is 8th edition.

 p5freak wrote:
Saturdays announcement is not going to be 9th edition, or 8.5. No one, especially not GW, can clean up the mess that is 8th edition.

Oh boy you're gonna get rekt'd so hard when they announce 8.5/9.0 in few days. I wouldn't bet on GW releasing new Starter Sets/New narrative without an Edition change behind (which has happened in 8TH too with the Primaris bs but here we forget rather easily) so I'd get away with your naive thinking right now.

tneva82 wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
What makes PA so special though? Those PA contents would still be 100% valid and legal in 9th ed.

Like how books from 7th ed were still valid in 8th?

While GW's track record is books being usable immediately between editions, that's not always been the case, and the most recent example has been a full change. You simply can't say with certainty that a 9th edition wouldn't feature similarly drastic changes.

So you look at the ONE case in 2 decades and think OBVIOUSLY they will invalidate books right away?

I didn't say that. I said that the most recent example of GW doing an edition change was a full reworking. More importantly, I never said for a second that I believed that's what GW would do, but that you cannot be certain they won't.

There's a big difference between "they will do this" and "they could do this", one you've missed in your own and my points.

It's exceedingly unlikely 9th ed will invalidate.

Unlikely, but not certain. Don't use language like "would still be usable" when you don't know that for certain.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
What makes PA so special though? Those PA contents would still be 100% valid and legal in 9th ed.

Like how books from 7th ed were still valid in 8th?

While GW's track record is books being usable immediately between editions, that's not always been the case, and the most recent example has been a full change. You simply can't say with certainty that a 9th edition wouldn't feature similarly drastic changes.

So you look at the ONE case in 2 decades and think OBVIOUSLY they will invalidate books right away?

I didn't say that. I said that the most recent example of GW doing an edition change was a full reworking. More importantly, I never said for a second that I believed that's what GW would do, but that you cannot be certain they won't.

There's a big difference between "they will do this" and "they could do this", one you've missed in your own and my points.

It's exceedingly unlikely 9th ed will invalidate.

Unlikely, but not certain. Don't use language like "would still be usable" when you don't know that for certain.

From an economic perspective it's 99% safe to say that any new edition won't invalidate current Codices (might need a faq for few things but the rest of them will be fine) and PAs (which are 100% dependant on the aforementioned Codices).

KurtAngle2 wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
What makes PA so special though? Those PA contents would still be 100% valid and legal in 9th ed.

Like how books from 7th ed were still valid in 8th?

While GW's track record is books being usable immediately between editions, that's not always been the case, and the most recent example has been a full change. You simply can't say with certainty that a 9th edition wouldn't feature similarly drastic changes.

So you look at the ONE case in 2 decades and think OBVIOUSLY they will invalidate books right away?

I didn't say that. I said that the most recent example of GW doing an edition change was a full reworking. More importantly, I never said for a second that I believed that's what GW would do, but that you cannot be certain they won't.

There's a big difference between "they will do this" and "they could do this", one you've missed in your own and my points.

It's exceedingly unlikely 9th ed will invalidate.

Unlikely, but not certain. Don't use language like "would still be usable" when you don't know that for certain.

From an economic perspective it's 99% safe to say that any new edition won't invalidate current Codices (might need a faq for few things but the rest of them will be fine) and PAs (which are 100% dependant on the aforementioned Codices).

A 1% drop in sales is not insignificant. Why take that chance when there is no upside to balance the risk?

Due to how financially successful GW has been the last few years, if there is a 9th edition, I don't expect there to be many radical changes.

Tristanleo wrote:
His reasoning behind this is that once psychic awakening is done, the state of the galaxy will have shifted drastically and a restructure of the rules will allow GW to bring all old and new releases up to scratch.

Well, your friend's reasoning is faulty - everything that has happened as part of PA had happened (in-universe) before the point in time we were at when 8th dropped...

Wayniac wrote:
I hope it's a 2.0 (well 9.0) like they did with AOS. Clean up the rules and fix a few of the worst offenders (really hoping for a fix to soup for CP generation). Game direly needs some kind of base cleaning. It won't invalidate existing books though just like AOS didn't.

I respectfully disagree with this assessment. They should stay away from aos as far as possible with 40k, both in terms of rules and especially lore. End times was the biggest dumpster fire ever.
I also disagree that 40k needs some base cleaning that even remotely resembles what they have done with warhammer fantasy and the beginning steps of aos.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
What makes PA so special though? Those PA contents would still be 100% valid and legal in 9th ed.

Like how books from 7th ed were still valid in 8th?

While GW's track record is books being usable immediately between editions, that's not always been the case, and the most recent example has been a full change. You simply can't say with certainty that a 9th edition wouldn't feature similarly drastic changes.

So you look at the ONE case in 2 decades and think OBVIOUSLY they will invalidate books right away?

I didn't say that. I said that the most recent example of GW doing an edition change was a full reworking. More importantly, I never said for a second that I believed that's what GW would do, but that you cannot be certain they won't.

There's a big difference between "they will do this" and "they could do this", one you've missed in your own and my points.

It's exceedingly unlikely 9th ed will invalidate.

Unlikely, but not certain. Don't use language like "would still be usable" when you don't know that for certain.

The most recent edition change GW did was Age of Sigmar, no?

Tiberias wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I hope it's a 2.0 (well 9.0) like they did with AOS. Clean up the rules and fix a few of the worst offenders (really hoping for a fix to soup for CP generation). Game direly needs some kind of base cleaning. It won't invalidate existing books though just like AOS didn't.

I respectfully disagree with this assessment. They should stay away from aos as far as possible with 40k, both in terms of rules and especially lore. End times was the biggest dumpster fire ever.
I also disagree that 40k needs some base cleaning that even remotely resembles what they have done with warhammer fantasy and the beginning steps of aos.

I think he's referring to AoS 2nd ed, not the End Times switch from WFB to AoS. And I basically agree that 40k could use some fundamental adjustment on terrain rules and CP generation, and also compiling all the base rule errata into one place.

I think their is also room to adjust the to-wound table and introduce some of the City Fight rules (Obscured in particular) to reign in the lethality a bit without requiring any sort of adjustment to the current codex set.

Correct I meant the new version of AOS compared to the initial one, not End Times to AOS. the second version basically kept everything in the first and just cleaned a few things up. 40k could do with something like that.

Wayniac wrote:
Correct I meant the new version of AOS compared to the initial one, not End Times to AOS. the second version basically kept everything in the first and just cleaned a few things up. 40k could do with something like that.

I misunderstood your point then, apologies. I also fully agree with you then.

It'll probably be some big, Necron model to coincide with Pariah. You know, something that no one really wants, but GW is convinced we need and will buy.

 Dysartes wrote:

Tristanleo wrote:
His reasoning behind this is that once psychic awakening is done, the state of the galaxy will have shifted drastically and a restructure of the rules will allow GW to bring all old and new releases up to scratch.

Well, your friend's reasoning is faulty - everything that has happened as part of PA had happened (in-universe) before the point in time we were at when 8th dropped...

I feel like this should be stapled to the top of every forum at this point, along with a link to the difference between story and discourse.

 Tamwulf wrote:
It'll probably be some big, Necron model to coincide with Pariah. You know, something that no one really wants, but GW is convinced we need and will buy.

Well, I have to admit I am all for a chunky silent King model. I'd like them to update standard necron warriors and destroyers also, but that won't happen probably

 Tamwulf wrote:
It'll probably be some big, Necron model to coincide with Pariah. You know, something that no one really wants, but GW is convinced we need and will buy.

I just doubt they can carry an hour or more with just one model as the hype for the day has explicitly stated that this is such a big reveal for 40k that they've made the reveal day a 40k exclusive. The other days tended to mix something from every line they have and that did include two army reveals(Lumineth box and models and Behemat).

So I expect something more than just a single model. There could of course be a whole new army faction coming with the Silent King.

My money's on the Silent King, a new battle box & an actual look at the FW codexes, which they mentioned months ago and have yet to spoil. 9th is much less likely imo, but hey, if it happens that's fine with me.