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I don't think it's an Immortal. It looks like a shooty version of the 3 legged Necrons.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

This is a pretty hot take. Necrons have been of the most popular, if not the most popular Xeno armies since their 5th edition codex.

You're confusing them with the Eldar.

No, not at all. Tyranids have always been more popular than Eldar. They were easily the most popular Xenos race until they had a string of bad codexes.

Necrons have also been extremely popular since their 5th edition codex and were very popular throughout 5th and 6th. They only started to decline toward 7th and the recent issues in 8 with their poor codex.

On the other hand, GW has tried to do everything but update the craftworld range in an attempt to make the army popular. If Eldar were really that popular, they would have gotten a refresh of most of their model line a long time ago. As it is, most of it has been left to languish.

I'm gonna need to ask for some sort of source for that, because Eldar has more or less been synonymous with "Xenos" for as long as I've played.

He is making things up. Tau and Orks have always been the most popular xenos sales wise. Eldar for the competitive edge.

changemod wrote:

Bradeh wrote:


Necron side, if this is a starter box is looks crazy, probably best starter ever.

That one immortal off to the side is odd for a number of reasons. For one, if it is a starter set it wouldn’t have a single floating immortal, for another why would immortals be getting an update when they’re passably new and a multibuild?

I had the very same thought. I wonder if its possible that it is a "command leader" for the warriors, much like how almost every other troop choice has some sort of leader or champion rolled into it.

It would be strange if they also rolled out an entirely new box of immortals, since like you have said, they do still look fairly new, and look well next to the new warriors.

Ahhh yeeeeeeeeeeep, it's a leadery type.

Look at the one opposite of it. Both have a set of 'spars' coming up from their backs that standard Immortals don't have.

I don't know why, but I'm not digging the newcron. Something about them feels off. I don't think its the color scheme, because I liked it on Illuminor's model. Something about them just feels off. Maybe I'm reminded too much of the new AOS Skeletons or something

Huh, would you look at that.

It's like I was spot on about everything in my predictions here.

They are really trying to hide the guy in the middle, here is the best I could do with my admittedly limited photoshop ability:



Looks like a war scythe, three legs, tall, the things dangling from his front remind me of Obyron, so could this be a new lord model?

So my Chaos army might not get nearly as complete now that it seems running a Black Templar Primaris army might be viable.

On a different note, I hope that new Chaplain is called an "Executioner Chaplain".

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

This is a pretty hot take. Necrons have been of the most popular, if not the most popular Xeno armies since their 5th edition codex.

You're confusing them with the Eldar.

No, not at all. Tyranids have always been more popular than Eldar. They were easily the most popular Xenos race until they had a string of bad codexes.

Necrons have also been extremely popular since their 5th edition codex and were very popular throughout 5th and 6th. They only started to decline toward 7th and the recent issues in 8 with their poor codex.

On the other hand, GW has tried to do everything but update the craftworld range in an attempt to make the army popular. If Eldar were really that popular, they would have gotten a refresh of most of their model line a long time ago. As it is, most of it has been left to languish.

I'm gonna need to ask for some sort of source for that, because Eldar has more or less been synonymous with "Xenos" for as long as I've played.

I'm not going to go digging though the forum, but Store Owners in the past have released sales numbers for the model lines.

Additionally, we can look at which lines got the most models and refreshes, Which has been universally Tyranids for the longest time. If Craftworlds were more popular they would have a much more modern line, instead of more than half being ancient models. GW does their market research, and plans for releases that will sell.

Blood of the Phoenix by all accounts did also not seem to sell as well as some of the other limited box sets that GW came out is another indication.

Finally, some images I can see.

Lovely looking models.

GaroRobe wrote:
I don't know why, but I'm not digging the newcron. Something about them feels off. I don't think its the color scheme, because I liked it on Illuminor's model. Something about them just feels off. Maybe I'm reminded too much of the new AOS Skeletons or something

Nah it's for sure the paintjob. Once we get better pictures and stuff, someone will come up with a better color scheme and do some photoshop.

 Grimgold wrote:
They are really trying to hide the guy in the middle, here is the best I could do with my admittedly limited photoshop ability:



Looks like a war scythe, three legs, tall, the things dangling from his front remind me of Obyron, so could this be a new lord model?

These two dudes next to him make me think Canoptek based HQ/Elite.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Tyel wrote:
Feel the thing people have skipped over is that new female imperial guard are definitely confirmed.

Gaunts Ghosts novels from like 20 years ago had female guardsmen. The last codex at least had female guardsmen in the art.

Yeah they've been around since RT but he's talking about models, figuring GW would not put one in their expensive high-profile trailer unless there were models coming.

changemod wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I hope this puts to rest that Primaris aren't gothic enough.

The captain has a damm skeleton on his shield and that guy with the two handed sword, yezz.

I mean is cool but is like they are trying to compensate or something.

Spoiler:

Most of it looks massively overdone, imo. And why do the marines tabards have a loincloth part and a bit over the belly plate armour? Looks quite stupid.

The extremely raised midriff on primaris always looked weird, that’s just inevitably making it more obviously awkward.

Looks to me from this image that they want a full body tabard, but the Primaris gorget makes it impractical / awkward-looking, so they just said "F it. Loin cloth isn't enough but we can't do full body either. Let's just add the torso component under the armour, defeating the purpose of aesthetics entirely, but showing that it's technically there".

I like the new Primaris models. Might go back to Black Templars again.

...unless Deathwatch gets some of this.

Digging the new rules, especially the Crusade system.

Otherwise, we crying about this yet? I'm sure someone is.

 Grimgold wrote:
They are really trying to hide the guy in the middle, here is the best I could do with my admittedly limited photoshop ability:



Looks like a war scythe, three legs, tall, the things dangling from his front remind me of Obyron, so could this be a new lord model?

Maybe some kind of new Cryptek style character?

It also nails that those are not flayed ones in the big image.

Soulless wrote:
So....Bikers....The silliest thing in 40k still present...

I've always wondered why everything in 40K has a group of people who hate it and feel the need to tell the rest of us.

 Crimson wrote:
That tall weird Necron tripod is the best Necron model ever. It looks alien and menacing in a way derpy robo-skeletons never can. This is the direction they should take the model line to.

I can’t see where or what it’s weapons are.

Bradeh wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:
They are really trying to hide the guy in the middle, here is the best I could do with my admittedly limited photoshop ability:



Looks like a war scythe, three legs, tall, the things dangling from his front remind me of Obyron, so could this be a new lord model?

These two dudes next to him make me think Canoptek based HQ/Elite.

They have necron heads though, and those look like tanks for storing something, super crazy idea that is almost assuredly wrong, could those tanks be storing psychers brains and this unit is necrons getting psychers?

 eohall wrote:
Cron side of the box?

Spoiler:

Image not showing, let me upload it.

JWBS wrote:
Looks to me from this image that they want a full body tabard, but the Primaris gorget makes it impractical / awkward-looking, so they just said "F it. Loin cloth isn't enough but we can't do full body either. Let's just add the torso component under the armour, defeating the purpose of aesthetics entirely, but showing that it's technically there".

I disagree. It looks fine to me as is. It's more as if they wear that tabard outside of the armour so it's sized smaller than one that's worn over the armour, hence it going under the bulkier chest armour.

 Norchack wrote:

Soulless wrote:
So....Bikers....The silliest thing in 40k still present...

I've always wondered why everything in 40K has a group of people who hate it and feel the need to tell the rest of us.

Once I got past ripping holes in space to take shortcuts through a daemonic realm, the presence of bikes and swords alongside 8ft genocidal xenophobic warrior monks in power armour just kind of slides by. Silly is relative.

Then again, I've seen a quad bike mounted Chaplain (the bike was nicknamed 'God's Quad', see what he did there?) in the modern military so I have quite a wide scope before I consider things 'silly'.

alphaecho wrote:

 Norchack wrote:

Soulless wrote:
So....Bikers....The silliest thing in 40k still present...

I've always wondered why everything in 40K has a group of people who hate it and feel the need to tell the rest of us.

Once I got past ripping holes in space to take shortcuts through a daemonic realm, the presence of bikes and swords alongside 8ft genocidal xenophobic warrior monks in power armour just kind of slides by. Silly is relative.

Then again, I've seen a quad bike mounted Chaplain (the bike was nicknamed 'God's Quad', see what he did there?) in the modern military so I have quite a wide scope before I consider things 'silly'.

You can tell who hasn't been around for a while since Calvary charges with actual horses is rather common in the setting as well. Less so on the table due to some OOP models, but Rough Riders used to be a staple of the Guard.

Frankly when you start your setting by deciding the best method of FTL is to send city sized churches through hell all arguments about the impractical or unnecessary become invalid.

 Galas wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

This is a pretty hot take. Necrons have been of the most popular, if not the most popular Xeno armies since their 5th edition codex.

You're confusing them with the Eldar.

No, not at all. Tyranids have always been more popular than Eldar. They were easily the most popular Xenos race until they had a string of bad codexes.

Necrons have also been extremely popular since their 5th edition codex and were very popular throughout 5th and 6th. They only started to decline toward 7th and the recent issues in 8 with their poor codex.

On the other hand, GW has tried to do everything but update the craftworld range in an attempt to make the army popular. If Eldar were really that popular, they would have gotten a refresh of most of their model line a long time ago. As it is, most of it has been left to languish.

I'm gonna need to ask for some sort of source for that, because Eldar has more or less been synonymous with "Xenos" for as long as I've played.

He is making things up. Tau and Orks have always been the most popular xenos sales wise. Eldar for the competitive edge.

There is no way that Orks have been the most popular sales wise, The fact that they languished without a codex for across editions and without any new model lines is proof of that.

GW doesn't let it's popular lines languish. The Most popular ones get updated, which is why we see new space marine lines all the time.

Not sure how to feel about the new Warriors, need to see an unpainted version, but I love love LOVE the new spider tank dudes. Very excited to see where this goes

 Sasori wrote:
GW doesn't let it's popular lines languish. The Most popular ones get updated, which is why we see new space marine lines all the time.

I think the huge success of the Sisters reboot is ample proof that GW wasn't doing good market research for most of its history.

At least we know the Astra Militarum are still Cadians, female or not.

The new Chaplain looks really nice.
Wonder if the executioner guy is some kind of marine Inquisitor type. He bring his crusaders and preacher.

Orks haven't been popular in sales, or even in collections, but they're probably the most popular Xenos race in terms of pure popularity with the fanbase.

 Galas wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

This is a pretty hot take. Necrons have been of the most popular, if not the most popular Xeno armies since their 5th edition codex.

You're confusing them with the Eldar.

No, not at all. Tyranids have always been more popular than Eldar. They were easily the most popular Xenos race until they had a string of bad codexes.

Necrons have also been extremely popular since their 5th edition codex and were very popular throughout 5th and 6th. They only started to decline toward 7th and the recent issues in 8 with their poor codex.

On the other hand, GW has tried to do everything but update the craftworld range in an attempt to make the army popular. If Eldar were really that popular, they would have gotten a refresh of most of their model line a long time ago. As it is, most of it has been left to languish.

I'm gonna need to ask for some sort of source for that, because Eldar has more or less been synonymous with "Xenos" for as long as I've played.

He is making things up. Tau and Orks have always been the most popular xenos sales wise. Eldar for the competitive edge.

Eldar only get popular when they have the strongest competitive edge. As soon as that is gone they disappear as fast as could be. It seems more like a lot more people tend to pick up Tyranid and Necrons overall while keeping to them while Tau and Eldar usually get picked up because of their strong overpowered editions more then actual preference.

Orks are popular in peoples hearts though.

JWBS wrote:
Looks to me from this image that they want a full body tabard, but the Primaris gorget makes it impractical / awkward-looking, so they just said "F it. Loin cloth isn't enough but we can't do full body either. Let's just add the torso component under the armour, defeating the purpose of aesthetics entirely, but showing that it's technically there".

So, the story goes...
Hold on, let me put down my shield so I can lift the flap of my holster to put away my Volkite....THEN I can pull my sword to duel. And people are worried more about bikes in space.....

Ok time for a hot take, some will love it others will hate it and here it goes. We'll start with the positive.

Hearing in the laughably idiotic 9 things to love with a new edition video, new terrain rules. They can only really make terrain much better at this point, I look forward to this.

Our books aren't auto becoming worthless, I feel like they will be soon though so I'm not picking up anymore PA books for sure.

Finally an App for the game, could be good, could be money grubbing, I guess we will see I'm of mixed feelings.

Lastly, this could prove to be good if they actually change the game for the better. Having Sisters have such a key role, as they are hinting is also a good thing but feels more like a marketing push than any grand design.


Ok for the bad and this is larger.

That James Workshop 9 things to love video, was painfully terrible to watch. Why do they have to be so bad with this ? No one old enough to find that cool can afford to play this game, how bout we be treated like adults and not mindless hype hungry nub gubbins eh ?

The necrons skulls look like cartoon bad guys. We've gone from Terminators, to Ancient Egyptians in space to now Skeletor, by the power of Grey Skull.

I love that tanks will shoot out of combat and apparently not be bogged down anymore but this seems like an issue. As does focus on more flyer like flyers and Moar Command points ! It feels like idocricy the game where they doubled down on stupid over the top and each new box will come with some Brawndo.

The new Logo looks so bland and generic, it lost a lot of flavor and feels just as boring as a ham and american cheese sandwich with light mayo, so the perfect logo for the blandest of all, the Primaris Marines.

All the new books, and keep in mind they added new " crusade " content in them, I'm predicting the new codex drops will cost at minimum 50 USD, if not 60 as they use " crusade" stuff to bloat the books with crap few wanted in an attempt to tax you more. As if replacing the myriad of burn and churn hasn't already forced many to get hundreds of dollars in redundant books in short time frame. Can't wait to pay like 33% more per book, which isn't known but I have a guess it will be so.

Releasing a new edition now, after a price hike, when few will be able to even play seems as tone deaf and dumb as any company can be. I get they had this planned already but who is going to rush out to get these new books before they'll even be able to play any games and by the time they do the books will be invalidated most likely with pace of release ? Dumb dumb.

They are changing all the points around so even the current pace we kept up with if we did makes our books invalid for points, more dumb and annoying.

A promise of a year full of more Marines, forever Marines. With probably the same support for Necrons that Deathguard got when they shared the starter box which means at first, then a splash then the marine man train rolls ever forward.

They lied, again, on this last edition being a forever edition, with a living rules system, yeah it's no mystery at this point but some people do remember their half arsed promises and claims. At this point if they told me the sky was blue I'd need multiple reliable sources to be cited or I'd call them liar, and even then I'd still need to see it for myself.

All in all, I'm in fact not hyped, I'm just happy I got so few of these new books as they dropped and I feel bad for the people who did. This is a bad idea, full of lies and doubled down stupid promising nothing but a new age of more expensive burn and churn. All flash and no substance for a hyped reveal.

Pretty much sums up the new GW, a whole lot of promise and expectation but at the end of the day it's the same crap, at a faster pace, more expensive with less soul and more generic crap flavored with special new pointless James Workshop video cringe. The game itself is the fluffiest grim dark of cutesy we have even seen.