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**OldMate**

Crimson wrote:
OldMate wrote:
They didn't make the primaris marines big enough in the cinematic, they are, as they are on the table top, regular marine sized, they need to be about another 2ft bigger. But it's nice to see the sisters out and about and kicking arse.
The truescale primaris is something of a Jager in Pacific Rim, to fight monsters you make monsters and they're approx 10-11 ft tall.

No. In art the Primaris are only couple of inches taller than old marines, so they're a bit over seven feet tall. The cinematic got it right.

They're about 20cm taller than the regular marine from what I've read, which should be easy to notice. Assuming the sister of battle is an unaugmented human height wise she should come up to approximately the red line in the picture. They are regular marine sized in the cinematic not primaris marine sized.

I've made a truescale primaris marine, and an average human should come up to the elbow of the primaris at rest.

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**Sotahullu**

ingtaer wrote:
endlesswaltz123 wrote:

There's a chaplain in the middle as others have pointed out, but the guy in black at the top.... Big sword, black armour, seems to have some type of thurible hanging from the left hand... My main guesses is it is some new branch of the chaplain that is even more compact orientated (a true warrior priest) or and I think it would be harsh on BT, an emperors champion, or maybe a variation of it.

Looking at the pic in OP it looks like he is holding an hourglass, is that an established thing? Cant recall it from anywhere. Certainly gives off the vibe of an EC or Chapter champion.

This render is on the first page:

I think it is some form Chaplain and he is simply executioner of Emperors enemies (or really big guys). That blade is a bonafide execution blade (with Terminus written on it) and hourglass is very simple method to show "your time is running out".

In simpler terms, SM version of Chaos Master of Executions.

**endlesswaltz123**

Interesting model. I'd have to suggest that it is artificer armour, and interestingly, the group pic made it look as if it was bare headed with the face mask, it seems more like a chaplain helm.

Hmmm, maybe it's a new master of executions (which was a chapter title before it got incorporated into the chaos command structure).

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The scripture on the sword as well, terminus ult*****

Maybe that is a clue.

**Crimson**

OldMate wrote:
Crimson wrote:
OldMate wrote:
They didn't make the primaris marines big enough in the cinematic, they are, as they are on the table top, regular marine sized, they need to be about another 2ft bigger. But it's nice to see the sisters out and about and kicking arse.
The truescale primaris is something of a Jager in Pacific Rim, to fight monsters you make monsters and they're approx 10-11 ft tall.

No. In art the Primaris are only couple of inches taller than old marines, so they're a bit over seven feet tall. The cinematic got it right.

They're about 20cm taller than the regular marine from what I've read, which should be easy to notice. Assuming the sister of battle is an unaugmented human height wise she should come up to approximately the red line in the picture. They are regular marine sized in the cinematic not primaris marine sized.

I've made a truescale primaris marine, and an average human should come up to the elbow of the primaris at rest.

Earlier you said two feet (61 cm) taller, now you say 20cm taller. Your assessments do not seem to be terribly accurate... The primaris are just new marines, they're not significantly bigger in the lore.

**Lord Perversor**

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Interesting model. I'd have to suggest that it is artificer armour, and interestingly, the group pic made it look as if it was bare headed with the face mask, it seems more like a chaplain helm.

Hmmm, maybe it's a new master of executions (which was a chapter title before it got incorporated into the chaos command structure).

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The scripture on the sword as well, terminus ult*****

Maybe that is a clue.

someone pointed in reddit (he saw the testing rules) it's named Judicator an elite slot and a beast also it makes the enemy attack last.

Also it's woprth to notice both him and the Captain with the volkite weapon carry that Crucifix like a new kind of Crux Terminatus?

**OldMate**

They have to be substantially bigger, terminator sized at least, their armour does not look heavier than regular marine armour(in fact it's a bit sportier next to a truescle marine), or else they'd be able to use rhinos like everyone else. Unless that's just blatantly to make you but the new models. Hmmm

**Crimson**

OldMate wrote:
They have to be substancially bigger, terminator sized at least, or else they'd be able to use rhinos like everyone else.

The size is not the reason they cannot use them, they cannot use Land Raiders either.

**OldMate**

Quick search says they're 8ft, while our regular marines are 7ft. Primaris is 2.5m tall. Which is pretty giant to me. Mate in the video ain't 2.5m tall next to that sister.

**endlesswaltz123**

Reported both of you for being off topic, take it elsewhere, no one else cares.

**silverstu**

xttz wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
So, who's burning their army?

Idiots?

Me!Me!Me!

Totally not but trying to persuade myself I don't want a small force of Necrons.. really love them - those combat destroyers and their little pal are excellent. I really, really hope similar treatment is given to Nids- most of our model range is pretty cool but we need a bit more weirdness. I'm looking forward to seeing a full reveal of the Necrons and get a feel for their army now.
If I could get my buddy back playing I'd be tempted to get the starter ..

The other question is where the sisters are going to appear- maybe in a smaller starter set? They could use the excuse to do another set of easy build sisters just to deepen the range a bit and give them more profile in the game.

**changemod**

Even with a very high estimate of around 7 foot 6 for the primaris, that sister could still be to scale if she was something like 6 foot 3, which isn’t unheard of for a woman just at the high end of the bell curve. I get the Impression 40k humans are a little taller than us anyhow when they actually get good nutrition due to some of the genepool being modified in the dark age of technology to be better survivors on alien worlds.

**Dread Master**

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**changemod**

silverstu wrote:
The other question is where the sisters are going to appear- maybe in a smaller starter set? They could use the excuse to do another set of easy build sisters just to deepen the range a bit and give them more profile in the game.

As a long time Necron fan I’ve been kinda wanting them to revisit a sanctuary 101 type situation in a campaign or box set for ages.

**silverstu**

changemod wrote:
silverstu wrote:
The other question is where the sisters are going to appear- maybe in a smaller starter set? They could use the excuse to do another set of easy build sisters just to deepen the range a bit and give them more profile in the game.

As a long time Necron fan I’ve been kinda wanting them to revisit a sanctuary 101 type situation in a campaign or box set for ages.

They could do that with a "know no fear" size box perhaps..

**lord_blackfang**

Oh, credit where credit is due tho, if that's the starter set picture we're finally seeing one with no repeats of old units, and that's amazing. Old starters always had about the same Marine content - a Tac squad, a Termie squad and then one or two specialists.

And there's probably enough ETB Primaris models now to make a 2000 pts Babby's First Army megaforce box with no repeated units.

**reds8n**

Best we leave the 21,345th marine size discussion for elsewhere and elsewhen.

Ta.

**Chimera_Calvin**

Assuming that picture is the starter box content, marines seem to have

3x HQ (Capt, Lt and chaplain)
3x Elites (ancient, new executioner and new sword and board guys)
3x Fast Attack (Bikes, 2x5 assault primaris)

Which unless they redo the force orgs (possible) gives 2 legal detachments straight out of the box. That's pretty impressive for a starter and would interest me (and upset my wife) greatly

**Andykp**

Eldarsif wrote:
I'm probably in a minority regarding this, but I hope that units are bought in 5/10s. So if you play MSU of a 5 man squad unit and want to upgrade it you only have the option of doing 5, 10, 15 or whatever the max is. Basically take cue from AoS in this regard.

Now, some people might say: "What if I can't get my army to 2000 points with that type of point scheme?" The answer is simple, the points leftover would be weapon upgrades. AoS offers Endless Spells or an Extra Command Point to fill in the last few points.

This way, if they tie horde to the number of models, they can avoid people taking units just under horde size. Because if Horde is at 20 for Ork Boyz then a player will just have 19 units to avoid the Horde rule. It just means people will game around the rule and you'll see ton of Horde-1 units.

This would be a moot point if units are getting horde typeword of course.

You mean like power levels, it already does that.

**Crimson**

I guess it is possible that the assault Intercessors would be troops. In fact I hope that they are.

**Andykp**

Chimera_Calvin wrote:
Assuming that picture is the starter box content, marines seem to have

3x HQ (Capt, Lt and chaplain)
3x Elites (ancient, new executioner and new sword and board guys)
3x Fast Attack (Bikes, 2x5 assault primaris)

Which unless they redo the force orgs (possible) gives 2 legal detachments straight out of the box. That's pretty impressive for a starter and would interest me (and upset my wife) greatly

The assault guys not having jump packs will more likely be troops I think. They are intercessors after all.

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Crimson wrote:
I guess it is possible that the assault Intercessors would be troops. In fact I hope that they are.

Ninja’d

**Chimera_Calvin**

Crimson wrote:
I guess it is possible that the assault Intercessors would be troops. In fact I hope that they are.

I thought that but the right shoulder pads have assault markings painted on them and marines typically have the same markers as the force orgs...

All speculation at this point but liking the look of the new stuff either way

**Crimson**

Chimera_Calvin wrote:

I thought that but the right shoulder pads have assault markings painted on them and marines typically have the same markers as the force orgs...

Primaris units sometimes don't. Neither Reivers or Aggressors have markings that match their FO slot.

**Perfect Organism**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh, credit where credit is due tho, if that's the starter set picture we're finally seeing one with no repeats of old units, and that's amazing.

Dark Imperium surely had all new marine units, since they were all primaris, which didn't exist in previous editions. If you're counting the plague marines as a repeat of an old unit, then it seems that necron warriors would also count.

**changemod**

Andykp wrote:
Eldarsif wrote:
I'm probably in a minority regarding this, but I hope that units are bought in 5/10s. So if you play MSU of a 5 man squad unit and want to upgrade it you only have the option of doing 5, 10, 15 or whatever the max is. Basically take cue from AoS in this regard.

Now, some people might say: "What if I can't get my army to 2000 points with that type of point scheme?" The answer is simple, the points leftover would be weapon upgrades. AoS offers Endless Spells or an Extra Command Point to fill in the last few points.

This way, if they tie horde to the number of models, they can avoid people taking units just under horde size. Because if Horde is at 20 for Ork Boyz then a player will just have 19 units to avoid the Horde rule. It just means people will game around the rule and you'll see ton of Horde-1 units.

This would be a moot point if units are getting horde typeword of course.

You mean like power levels, it already does that.

This is a horrendous idea because it severely dampens the idea of, say, buying a box of five models because you want to use two of them as bases for conversions and the other three to bump a unit up to 8 members.

And yes, as a fairly heavy converter this exact situation happens a lot.

**Chromit**

Destroyer Lord photoshop test (original and Sautekh colors):

**Crimson**

I absolutely hate the fixed unit sizes in AOS. It arguably would make sense with some 40K forces, which are regulated armies with fixed unit structures, it absolutely does not make sense for most AOS armies and half of 40K armies though.

**Nevelon**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh, credit where credit is due tho, if that's the starter set picture we're finally seeing one with no repeats of old units, and that's amazing. Old starters always had about the same Marine content - a Tac squad, a Termie squad and then one or two specialists.

And there's probably enough ETB Primaris models now to make a 2000 pts Babby's First Army megaforce box with no repeated units.

There is a difference between ETB and monopose. If these are like the DI box, they are not push-fit ETB. Just single option monopose.

I estimate the new box is going to be about 850-900 points for the marine half.
The Dark Imperium box is about 775. Now if it goes OOP, not sure if you want to count it. You can get the bulk of it (481 points) in Know no Fear, but not the ancient/LTs/5 intercessors.
SC: Vanguard is about 475 points

There are actual ETB agressors (105 points) and Redemptor Dread (157 points) Plus some reivers and intercessors.

New Box + SC: Vanguard + Know no Fear = not a terrible army.

**changemod**

Chromit wrote:

Destroyer Lord photoshop test (original and Sautekh colors):

That had better not be a new destroyer Lord. I’m cool with it as it’s own thing, but a lord on a destroyer body is already a cool idea and shouldn’t be distorted like that.

**Shooter**

Nevelon wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh, credit where credit is due tho, if that's the starter set picture we're finally seeing one with no repeats of old units, and that's amazing. Old starters always had about the same Marine content - a Tac squad, a Termie squad and then one or two specialists.

And there's probably enough ETB Primaris models now to make a 2000 pts Babby's First Army megaforce box with no repeated units.

There is a difference between ETB and monopose. If these are like the DI box, they are not push-fit ETB. Just single option monopose.

I estimate the new box is going to be about 850-900 points for the marine half.
The Dark Imperium box is about 775. Now if it goes OOP, not sure if you want to count it. You can get the bulk of it (481 points) in Know no Fear, but not the ancient/LTs/5 intercessors.
SC: Vanguard is about 475 points

There are actual ETB agressors (105 points) and Redemptor Dread (157 points) Plus some reivers and intercessors.

New Box + SC: Vanguard + Know no Fear = not a terrible army.

I would imagine/hope that the two halves of DI just become start collecting boxes like they did with Shadow spear

**Sasori**

changemod wrote:
Chromit wrote:

Destroyer Lord photoshop test (original and Sautekh colors):

That had better not be a new destroyer Lord. I’m cool with it as it’s own thing, but a lord on a destroyer body is already a cool idea and shouldn’t be distorted like that.

It is looking it it is. There is a leaked render picture of the smaller crabby daddy Necrons and gives them the name "Skorpekh" Destroyers. Speculation, but it's likely then this is a Skorpekh destroyer lord then.

That being said, it looks like we are still keeping the Old destroyers in the leaked pic. It's just likely that we will have a new name for the ranged variant.

EDIT: Also, great pic. I follow the box art color scheme, and I like it a lot.