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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Do you know how obnoxious the Manlet Marine defenders would be about squatting if Primaris were allowed the regular transports?

Let's be honest, they're going to be salty regardless.

I also wouldn’t be surprised to see two release (one for Marines, one for Necrons) at £120 each including the new shiny book.

This is GW after all.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
I also wouldn’t be surprised to see two release (one for Marines, one for Necrons) at £120 each including the new shiny book.

This is GW after all.

Nah, that'd be taking the piss far further than they have before. I'd guess this would be around the same price as Feast of Bones so around $200USD.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

If the two pics we’ve seen are indeed the contents? It seems more than we usually get in starter sets. If that’s right, that’s an important lens to view the price through.

Comparing the Marine part to Dark Imperium, same number of models and 3 of both are some special "speedy" dudes
Dark Vengeance was identical, 10 standard Marines, 3 Bikes, 5 Veterans 3 Heroes
Black Reach, there was a Dreadnought instead of 3 Bikes, and just 1 Hero

Black Reach was 60€, Dark Vengeance 85€, Dark Imperium 125€, so a price of 185€ for the 9th Edition Starter Set would fit the standard GW price increase without increasing the content.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

No it doesn’t lower the price, or make it more affordable. But it would be a reminder that a higher price doesn’t necessarily means lower value.
I mean, the Intercessor Assaulr Squad would likely retail for the same as an Intercessor squad. Or £35. So that alone is a little over 25% of the cost.
Necron Warriors? Box seems to contain 20. They’re currently £22.50 for 10. Let’s say in the region of £45 (could be higher, could be lower. But I’m assuming the same, as you can see)
So already, that’s a retail of £80.00, leaving £40.99

This is not really compareable, easy to build without option are cheaper than the regular boxes
The old AoS Core Box costs 125€, buying each faction as stand alone from GW costs 65€, saving you 5€ on the models + dice/rules

the only difference is that the cheap core box stuff is usually not available as stand-alone product but this might change (may also be a reason why they have their own preview pictures)

One thing to keep in mind is that we'll see these cool new models that are coming in 9th Edition...

And if you think even half of that stuff you're seeing in the Necron picture will come in the box you are sorely mistaken. And they'll show us what's coming in that box a few days before pre-order. And then it'll be a month or so before we start seeing the rest of the models. Probably 5-6 months later, just in time for the Holidays.


Remember: Dark Imperium and Shadowspear were roughly the value of 2 'Start Collecting' boxes.

The multi-part kits came out over a month later for Dark Imperium and 6 months for Shadowspear.

Keep in mind that in both instances, the multi-part kits were the ones that had the actual weapon options and an actual Codex with updated rules.

I'm waiting to see what is coming in that Necron box before I get too excited, other than that... I can wait until Christmas.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
I also wouldn’t be surprised to see two release (one for Marines, one for Necrons) at £120 each including the new shiny book.

This is GW after all.

Nah, that'd be taking the piss far further than they have before. I'd guess this would be around the same price as Feast of Bones so around $200USD.

He's referring to something akin to the Lumineth and Sisters of Battle Army Packs, I think.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Yeah I remember the Centurion freakout. They weren't even the most offending model visually and were easily modified to look better. I blame people that get their opinions from 1d4chan since they're basically the Fox News/MSNBC of 40k info.

Centurions were just a stupid idea from a fluff point of view, the rules did not really fit the rest of the game and just because the GK Dreadknight exists and you could use them as base for conversions does not make them any better

If people come argument that the high prices are ok because this is a premium product, anything that need a "modification" to look good is therefore a big fail and not worth the price GW asks for

Eh, 160€ is bad. Not "not gonna buy it if I like the contents" bad, but a ridiculous jump compared to DI. Blergh. Maybe the Necrons could be a christmas present to my bro.

I was thinking about this and I'm betting we're not going to see the codexes right away. It'll be booklets like they did in Shadowspear and then when they get around to a proper army release later with multi-part kits then we'll see proper codexes.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that we'll see these cool new models that are coming in 9th Edition...

And if you think even half of that stuff you're seeing in the Necron picture will come in the box you are sorely mistaken. And they'll show us what's coming in that box a few days before pre-order. And then it'll be a month or so before we start seeing the rest of the models. Probably 5-6 months later, just in time for the Holidays.


Remember: Dark Imperium and Shadowspear were roughly the value of 2 'Start Collecting' boxes.

The multi-part kits came out over a month later for Dark Imperium and 6 months for Shadowspear.

Keep in mind that in both instances, the multi-part kits were the ones that had the actual weapon options and an actual Codex with updated rules.

I'm waiting to see what is coming in that Necron box before I get too excited, other than that... I can wait until Christmas.

Luckily for Necron players, the monopose is basically just as good as the full kit. There'll be none of this "you get a sister of battle squad with mandatory flamer and power sword" problem.

the_scotsman wrote:
Luckily for Necron players, the monopose is basically just as good as the full kit. There'll be none of this "you get a sister of battle squad with mandatory flamer and power sword" problem.

Yeah, that's a good thing.

Honestly, I actually hope that some of the Start Collecting kits take a dip in price at some of the local places. The current kits aren't bad at all, either.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that we'll see these cool new models that are coming in 9th Edition...

And if you think even half of that stuff you're seeing in the Necron picture will come in the box you are sorely mistaken. And they'll show us what's coming in that box a few days before pre-order. And then it'll be a month or so before we start seeing the rest of the models. Probably 5-6 months later, just in time for the Holidays.


Remember: Dark Imperium and Shadowspear were roughly the value of 2 'Start Collecting' boxes.

The multi-part kits came out over a month later for Dark Imperium and 6 months for Shadowspear.

Keep in mind that in both instances, the multi-part kits were the ones that had the actual weapon options and an actual Codex with updated rules.

I'm waiting to see what is coming in that Necron box before I get too excited, other than that... I can wait until Christmas.

Luckily for Necron players, the monopose is basically just as good as the full kit. There'll be none of this "you get a sister of battle squad with mandatory flamer and power sword" problem.

Depends on the rules for the weapon loadouts

the_scotsman wrote:

Luckily for Necron players, the monopose is basically just as good as the full kit. There'll be none of this "you get a sister of battle squad with mandatory flamer and power sword" problem.

from what we have seen from the preview pictures I expect that to change and the 10 Warrior Squad will need its 2 special weapons as well (and the core box will come with the bad ones)

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Yeah I remember the Centurion freakout. They weren't even the most offending model visually and were easily modified to look better. I blame people that get their opinions from 1d4chan since they're basically the Fox News/MSNBC of 40k info.

You have always seemed like a person with a decent head on your shoulders, so I'm sure you won't be shocked at these things:

-A lot of people have opinions on 40k stuff that are basically 'meme' opinions. Very few of them actually play 40k, in fact- I'd wager that a huge chunk of this very site doesn't actually play the game, at best they own (or have pirated) a Codex.

-A lot of people just look at a Codex and do what I call 'Speculative Wargaming'. It's even worse with Necromunda, because based on the complaints about certain things I can tell exactly who's played an actual campaign and who's read the rulebook at home by themselves and just speculated.

-Out of the people that actually DO play the game, you could double the time they spend playing, building, painting, and learning their army and it wouldn't equal the amount of time they spend whining about it on the internet.

Speculative is pretty easy to do though once you kinda know what the roles are in the game and which units in codex fulfill them. I mean, I don't HAVE to use Reivers to know they aren't worth anything besides the helmet they come with for nice models.

 kodos wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Luckily for Necron players, the monopose is basically just as good as the full kit. There'll be none of this "you get a sister of battle squad with mandatory flamer and power sword" problem.

from what we have seen from the preview pictures I expect that to change and the 10 Warrior Squad will need its 2 special weapons as well (and the core box will come with the bad ones)

From what can be seen in the picture there are at least seven of the mini gauss blasters - so I'd assume ten total.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 kodos wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Luckily for Necron players, the monopose is basically just as good as the full kit. There'll be none of this "you get a sister of battle squad with mandatory flamer and power sword" problem.

from what we have seen from the preview pictures I expect that to change and the 10 Warrior Squad will need its 2 special weapons as well (and the core box will come with the bad ones)

From what can be seen in the picture there are at least seven of the mini gauss blasters - so I'd assume ten total.

Unless they pull a CSM kit and give you 7 blasters and 7 rifles and rules that allow 10 models to be equipped with either

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Speculative is pretty easy to do though once you kinda know what the roles are in the game and which units in codex fulfill them. I mean, I don't HAVE to use Reivers to know they aren't worth anything besides the helmet they come with for nice models.

In a game like 40k, you could probably Speculate how some things would go, if you really REALLY studied all the armies and scenarios. Granted, one small part of a game that people tend to forget about or ignore is that there's another person involved and people are unpredictable. And also, once you drift away from matched play games and tinker around with some of the other scenarios in 40k- things get a bit less easy to speculate.

Speculation a bit less credible with something like Necromunda- hence why I call it "Necromaybe" when people try telling me how certain things work online and why it's broken/underpowered/whatever- but that's only in the very rare scenario where two gangs of equal rating are fighting in the most ideal one-off scenario that might happen a couple of times in a Campaign at most, but usually the best laid plans go to doodoo just as soon as you pull a mission where you're deploying your guys a couple of inches from your opponent, or some NPC entity is involved, etc.


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the_scotsman wrote:
Unless they pull a CSM kit and give you 7 blasters and 7 rifles and rules that allow 10 models to be equipped with either

Ah, I call this "the thing that made me pretty much stop giving a damn about WYSIWYG".

Also "the thing that pretty much confirmed 40k will emulate what AOS does"

I bit of pipe dreaming for the new Warrior box, option to buy boxes in sets of 5 models, 10 models or 20 models with pricing to match the tiers.

 Tauris_Blazestar wrote:
I bit of pipe dreaming for the new Warrior box, option to buy boxes in sets of 5 models, 10 models or 20 models with pricing to match the tiers.

Unlikely, but the (presumably Easy-to-Build?) Warriors from the (presumed?) starter box should be dirt cheap on Ebay soon after release. While the new Necrons are cool, Marine-players will still outnumber Necron-players significantly, I would guess.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Speculative is pretty easy to do though once you kinda know what the roles are in the game and which units in codex fulfill them. I mean, I don't HAVE to use Reivers to know they aren't worth anything besides the helmet they come with for nice models.

In a game like 40k, you could probably Speculate how some things would go, if you really REALLY studied all the armies and scenarios. Granted, one small part of a game that people tend to forget about or ignore is that there's another person involved and people are unpredictable. And also, once you drift away from matched play games and tinker around with some of the other scenarios in 40k- things get a bit less easy to speculate.

Speculation a bit less credible with something like Necromunda- hence why I call it "Necromaybe" when people try telling me how certain things work online and why it's broken/underpowered/whatever- but that's only in the very rare scenario where two gangs of equal rating are fighting in the most ideal one-off scenario that might happen a couple of times in a Campaign at most, but usually the best laid plans go to doodoo just as soon as you pull a mission where you're deploying your guys a couple of inches from your opponent, or some NPC entity is involved, etc.


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the_scotsman wrote:
Unless they pull a CSM kit and give you 7 blasters and 7 rifles and rules that allow 10 models to be equipped with either

Ah, I call this "the thing that made me pretty much stop giving a damn about WYSIWYG".

Also "the thing that pretty much confirmed 40k will emulate what AOS does"

In the IGOUGO based game where you can basically ignore morale rules, it is a pretty darn safe prediction.

Dark Imperium has to be one of the best boxes GW released because both Nurgle and Spacemarines are very popular. Not sure if necrons is as popular as Nurgle so I would assume there is going to be more boxes splits than DI and will probably generate less interest.
While I got previous box set I doubt I will get this one because I cannot justify necrons on my collections and only like half of the SM units. Its a safe bet for me to wait for the bit I want to hit eBay or just invest on the multipart versions later.

120 is a bit of money to fork for this box set but nothing out of this world and still for sure a good value for money if you want both factions, starter sets are most of the times good deals.

40k is a little luxury and its good to see it going stronger each edition, just need some cool Primaris drop pods and Im set.

Actually, I hope GW does what it did last time around and besides the starter set there is cheaper variants.

Just a reminder that the Studio Q&A is starting NOW!

Terrain not good start. More terrain block LOS...okay so some of the "terrain improvements" is what players have done on their own for past couple years already. So in that sense nothing actually changes. Any half decent board this time has been with plenty of LOS blocking terrain ALREADY. Hiding entire army T1 isn't that impossible. And if your army is slow moving(like necrons) and opponent is fast one it can be literally you never have anything in LOS if you just bunker in one clump.

Well guess standard examples of board helps. Assuming it's not less than what already people use.

edit: Monsters seems to be shooting out of combat as well. "what tanks can do so can big beasts like in tyranids" or somethign to that effect

Necrons are not slow moving why do people keep saying that garbage?

Destroyers are fast. Immortals move 5-6". Doomsday ark can't move and shoot efficiently. Many of the necron core units including one of their few serious AT weapons can move slowly or not at all. Moving DDA=not threat to tanks anymore.

But yeah bad try. Maybe open necron codex one day

3 random FAQ from the twitch stream:

1) Hive Tyrant (and anything that is that big) can fight 2nd floor
2) Monsters can do the same things of tanks (and better)
3) Everything will hit on 6´s, at worst.

Not bad

Necrons aren't fast, but they did have options to get around quickly.

In third ed they could use the Veil of Darkness multiple times, and the monolith teleported units to the gate at will.

In 5th ed they still had some teleportation options, Ghost Arks could transport more than warriors and Night Scythes weren't as clunky to use.

In 8th ed they have...none of that, really, unless you want to pay Command Points. Having to pay for a resource for movement abilities that were previously free is a downgrade, imo.


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Where's the link for this twitch stream, and what have they revealed so far?

Missions have been written for not just different point sizes but also play surface sizes.

Modifiers can never be more than -1/+1