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 Kanluwen wrote:
The modifiers are to dice rolls, not to characteristics. Stu Black specifically addressed this.

"What's the point of having +2 if it's capped at +1?"..."Then if they have a -1? You still have a +1".

This helps Ultramarines with heavy weapons falling out of combat shooting at Eldar flyers a lot.

Personal hopes: this might mean something nicer for the anti-aircraft equipment in the game.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Personal hopes: this might mean something nicer for the anti-aircraft equipment in the game.

They seem to want to make flyers more interesting in the game, so this is possible.

Soulless wrote:
So...what if a leg is blown off?

"... it's still 86 percent combat effective. Here's a tip: Aim for the nerve stem, and put it down for good."

- Carl Jenkins (Neil Patrick Harris) in Starship Troopers

They mentioned filling out battalions, so that means we'll still have the current detachments in some form or another. Still no explanation of how they'll affect cp though.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
They mentioned filling out battalions, so that means we'll still have the current detachments in some form or another. Still no explanation of how they'll affect cp though.

Seems to be a question they're actively avoiding answering at the moment.

There's only so many questions they can answer at a time. I'm sure we'll get a better picture of things as it goes forward, today was a nice mix of new model + 9th Ed. rules + quick discussion on Engine War

Soulless wrote:
So...what if a leg is blown off?

"Now don't get me wrong: God created a lot of useless stupid-looking creatures on this world, too, but he didn't see fit to make any of them three-legged. Why was that do you think?"
- Edward Hyde

Soulless wrote:
So...what if a leg is blown off?

What, are you suggesting that being quadrupedal would make more sense? Four legs?! Preposterous!

That weapon's a tad scary. AP -4 is Invulnerable or Die territory, with 3 damage whack and no penalty to hit?

It'd better be about double the cost of a Power Fist, that's all I'm saying.

Yikes.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Soulless wrote:
So...what if a leg is blown off?

"Now don't get me wrong: God created a lot of useless stupid-looking creatures on this world, too, but he didn't see fit to make any of them three-legged. Why was that do you think?"
- Edward Hyde

Because mutations that reconfigure the hips of terran animal to accept a third leg are also going to have to successfully adjust both the reproductive and digestive system, and that's too big an ask for a random mutation that will be successfully passed on to progeny.

New 40K: The Game You Love… But Better on Warhammer Community.

The Command phase is a quick new addition to the turn sequence. In this phase, Battle-forged armies will acquire new Command points and spend the ones they have on certain Stratagems.

We’ll have a closer look at command points specifically, later this week.

Generic hype article from playtesters is up.

Command Phase looks interesting - acquire new CPs and spend CPs on Stratagems - bit of Age of Sigmar going on maybe?

I wonder if the "certain stratagems" part refers to Strats for reinforcements/ambush etc?

Mariongodspeed wrote:

Soulless wrote:
So...what if a leg is blown off?

"... it's still 86 percent combat effective. Here's a tip: Aim for the nerve stem, and put it down for good."

- Carl Jenkins (Neil Patrick Harris) in Starship Troopers

This is the reply I was waiting for

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
Command Phase looks interesting - acquire new CPs and spend CPs on Stratagems - bit of Age of Sigmar going on maybe?

I wonder if the "certain stratagems" part refers to Strats for reinforcements/ambush etc?

Starting to think we get something like 5 CP at 2k for the game size and then gain more CP as the game goes on.

A dedicated Command phase.

Do we need this? I mean, if they restructured the entire stratagem mechanic so that stratagems are ONLY played during the command phase than thats great.

But that wont happen. So what will be the use of this phase?

Soulless wrote:
A dedicated Command phase.

Do we need this? I mean, if they restructured the entire stratagem mechanic so that stratagems are ONLY played during the command phase than thats great.

But that wont happen. So what will be the use of this phase?

Command Phase stratagems that were played during Movement phase in the past edition and the cp generation mechanic. I don't think it's as useless as you think

You could read what it says. It's why I linked the image.

Both players muster strategic resources and use tactical abilities.

Extreme likelihood is that, as it is with Age of Sigmar, we'll see certain abilities(deep strike, granting bonus attacks from a hero, etc) situated here. Also extremely likely that you have to choose what stratagems you're going to even use here.

Getting the CP during the game instead of getting it all at once is excellent. It reduces the alpha-strikeyness and keeps the latter turns more interesting.

Noted that it specifies "Battle-Forged" forces will be the ones generating CP in the Command Phase. Could mitigate a lot of the concerns about Troops being invalidated if we've still got a motivation to take a Battalion.

Obviously still to early to tell.


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 Crimson wrote:
Getting the CP during the game instead of getting it all at once is excellent. It reduces the alpha-strikeyness and keeps the latter turns more interesting.

That's actually one of my favorite parts of KillTeam. It really makes you have to think tactically about how you're going to use your stratagems. Use some cheaper ones spread out over several turns? Not use any for a turn or two to save up for a wombo-combo?

I'm hoping 40k is in fact implementing something similar.

Wakshaani wrote:
That weapon's a tad scary. AP -4 is Invulnerable or Die territory, with 3 damage whack and no penalty to hit?

It'd better be about double the cost of a Power Fist, that's all I'm saying.

Yikes.

I mean, a SX2 AP-4 D3 weapon with no penalty to hit should be crazy expensive! It definitely shouldn't be 52 points with craptons of shooting too.

Oh, wait, my bad. I was looking at Centurion Assault Squads.

Oh man, getting CP’s through the game sounds great. The more I hear of this edition the more it’s everything people have been asking for and the more I get hyped.

Soulless wrote:
A dedicated Command phase.

Do we need this? I mean, if they restructured the entire stratagem mechanic so that stratagems are ONLY played during the command phase than thats great.

But that wont happen. So what will be the use of this phase?

They say "certain stratagems." GIven that current books are still valid, I infer that Full Throttle (Ritual of the Damned) is still played in the Movement Phase as the Stratagem says that. Any that are triggered "when a unit is chosen as the target of an attack" will occur as they do now. It would seem that we are going to get some additional stratagems that are common to all: perhaps those linked to ambush or outflank. Those might have to be played in the Command Phase?

 Kanluwen wrote:
You could read what it says. It's why I linked the image.

Both players muster strategic resources and use tactical abilities.

Extreme likelihood is that, as it is with Age of Sigmar, we'll see certain abilities(deep strike, granting bonus attacks from a hero, etc) situated here. Also extremely likely that you have to choose what stratagems you're going to even use here.

I wonder if we could see something similar to the Bonereapers, where you can roll for certain units on the battlefield to possible gain command points. If you say roll a D6 for every troop you have on the battlefield, generating a CP on a 6, could incentive troops. This could also lead to other issues though.

There's enough stratagems played in the beginning of turn to warrant a phase for that, surely?

And stratagem authors who took care to write in the "beginning of movement phase" in lack of something better (not saying that all are lacking), now have a phase reserved for them if needed.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Soulless wrote:
So...what if a leg is blown off?

What, are you suggesting that being quadrupedal would make more sense? Four legs?! Preposterous!

Quadrupeds can't move so well with 3 legs either, so that critique doesn't really hold water.
You know they shoot horses when they break a leg in order to put them out of their misery, as they can't live on 3 legs and the pain is excruciating, right?
There are some coping mechanisms in place for most other animals, but said poor animal has to first get out of danger, and even then they are going to have a hard time.

If you really want to critique the combat effectiveness of a 3 legged warmachine, you should be advocating for treads or grav systems, not legs.
Walkers, whilst they look cool, are terrible warmachines and are fairly unreliable if you were to actually examine them.
As design sins go, a tripod design isn't bad. Its better than putting a big gaping hole that's screaming "please shoot me in my weak spot" like they did on some of the 5th ed vehicles.

Soulless wrote:
A dedicated Command phase.

Do we need this? I mean, if they restructured the entire stratagem mechanic so that stratagems are ONLY played during the command phase than thats great.

Absolutely need this. GW finally adding specific ability timing and pre-battle/pre-turn resolution space is something the game has needed for years. 8th edition in particular had a lot of unnecessarily fuzzy timing issues

There are other aspects of those pics that are just as important as well (like a dedicated 'reinforcements' part of the movement phase, and specific rules for out of phase exceptions.

torblind wrote:And stratagem authors who took care to write in the "beginning of movement phase" in lack of something better (not saying that all are lacking), now have a phase reserved for them if needed.

Exactly that (or worse, 'before the movement phase'). 'before the battle begins' rules can now also just be 'during your first command phase'

I'm starting to suspect that we won't start with massive amounts of points (say maybe 10 tops for 2k, but more likely something like 5), and the CP generation will be important in order to sustain CP.


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And GW has mentioned that phases now have steps like the "Reinforcement Step" so all those before/after phase rules will have instep in which we use them.

 Crimson wrote:
Getting the CP during the game instead of getting it all at once is excellent. It reduces the alpha-strikeyness and keeps the latter turns more interesting.

It is odd that so many abilities that they've added late in the edition "Designed for 9th ed" seem to be based around having a pool of command points available before the game to spend on innumerable relics, WL traits, special upgrades, etc....

I wonder if we'll have kind of a "Quasi-Kill Team" setup where you've got a pool of CP available at the start to spend on army upgrades, allies, etc, and then you generate CP to use on stratagems throughout the game.