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2020/07/04 15:51:44
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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tneva82 wrote:So did necrons get any token win in showoff or clean sweep for master faction?
Token win, though it seemed pretty rigged. Marines win one, necrons win one, back and forth, everything was 2:1 one way or the other.
Scarabs beat the bikers, which was mega lols.
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2020/07/04 15:54:18
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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 Zubb wrote:A note on servitors -
IMO they were very good before for their ability to score/screen the backline for as cheap as possible & they will still be good even at 7 ppm.
They are infantry, they can do actions, 4 of them cost as much as a single melee weapon wielding intercessor sergeant - whats not to love?
The points getting bumped for the faction that they're actually a part of, mostly, as a knock-on for Marines abusing it.
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2020/07/04 15:56:09
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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2020/07/04 16:02:53
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Terrifying Doombull
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IanVanCheese wrote:tneva82 wrote:So did necrons get any token win in showoff or clean sweep for master faction?
Token win, though it seemed pretty rigged. Marines win one, necrons win one, back and forth, everything was 2:1 one way or the other.
Scarabs beat the bikers, which was mega lols.
Yeah, I'm not sure I want to know how they spun that last one. I assume that somehow they started in charge range on the scarab's turn, and the laws of probability still took the day off.
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2020/07/04 16:05:03
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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 Gadzilla666 wrote: Well tau are definitely gundam inspired, and the new bikes look very Akira, so it's possible gw have been watching a bit too much anime.
Space Marines were inspired by Gundam as well. Jes has even said so. I mean just look at them and then at the old 80s Gundams lol.
Also I am pretty sure in the book that establishes the Emperor fought the Void Dragon and imprisoned him on Mars by the end of the book establishes that the story is a lie and we will never know the truth.
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2020/07/04 16:08:02
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Stealthy Sanctus Slipping in His Blade
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I'm just hoping that Space Marines make enough money for GW to consider producing plastic Biovores, Lictors, Pyrovores, Shrikes, redone Deathleaper, and Red Terror.
Get that money Space Marines....
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PourSpelur wrote:It's fully within the rules for me to look up your Facebook page, find out your dear Mother Gladys is single, take her on a lovely date, and tell you all the details of our hot, sweaty, animal sex during your psychic phase.
I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't.
 Hive Fleet Hercual - 6760pts
Hazaak Dynasty - 3400 pts
Seraphon - 4600pts
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2020/07/04 16:10:46
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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The Librarian already has a Primaris version. We don't know if the full kit for Intercessors with chainswords will include jump packs. Scouts are pretty bad models but don't need replacing as such. The Command Squad doesn't need replacing, just the Emperor's Champion.
Really, if they gloss over tanks, the only significant marine unit that will need replacing is Devastators.
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2020/07/04 16:16:23
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Fixture of Dakka
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Not Online!!! wrote:Gotta love the fact that orkzs aswell as CSM got their bike HQ's legended but the primaris insta get one 
Hopefully we will see new kits for bike characters for orks, csm, and dark eldar when they get their next model updates. Automatically Appended Next Post: Voss wrote:Oh. So... still no generic c'tan shard.
That's exciting.
Almost as exciting as the green putty bloating this model beyond practicality.
This and silent king are the first two real knocks these new necrons have taken.
Isn't the one in the tesseract ark a generic one?
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2020/07/04 16:28:08
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Lieutenant General
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:Voss wrote:Oh. So... still no generic c'tan shard.
That's exciting.
Almost as exciting as the green putty bloating this model beyond practicality.
This and silent king are the first two real knocks these new necrons have taken.
Isn't the one in the tesseract ark a generic one?
The one in the Tesseract Vault is a Transcendent C'tan. Note however the only C'tan datasheets in the 8th edition codex are the Transcendent C'tan, C'tan Shard of the Deceiver and C'tan Shard of the Nightbringer.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
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2020/07/04 16:28:09
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Fixture of Dakka
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Commander and librarian already have Primaris versions- 3 captains and a libby for primaris.
Scouts and sniper scouts are easily merged, really if the necromunda enforcers box had a bit better weapon load out it would already be covered.
Command squad, we just need a champion and probably an ancient sold separately.
Devastator seem to be replaced with hell blasters and the new melta dudes, who could have more weapons options in a multipart kit.
Land speeder and predator we have that leaked pic of.
Assault marines, if we are lucky the multipart assault Intercessor will include jump packs.
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2020/07/04 16:39:26
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Fresh-Faced New User
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 ClockworkZion wrote:Yeah, if this is how they're doing points I'm not going to be happy. Free weapons are bad for the game.
Why?
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2020/07/04 16:39:27
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Carnikang wrote:I'm just hoping that Space Marines make enough money for GW to consider producing plastic Biovores, Lictors, Pyrovores, Shrikes, redone Deathleaper, and Red Terror.
Get that money Space Marines....
Yes I hope so too! I've been waiting for some of those for a very long time! (ok actually all of them)
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2020/07/04 16:40:47
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Indiana
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Ugh, these models look so gooooood!
I can’t wait to know what I can take in my Deathwatch. I want those bikes!
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2020/07/04 16:41:40
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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 Overread wrote: Carnikang wrote:I'm just hoping that Space Marines make enough money for GW to consider producing plastic Biovores, Lictors, Pyrovores, Shrikes, redone Deathleaper, and Red Terror.
Get that money Space Marines....
Yes I hope so too! I've been waiting for some of those for a very long time! (ok actually all of them)
I think Tyranids are coming, maybe even the next big release after this lot. The Silent King came back to stop the nid... with that said, you might be the big bad of 10th ed, in which case you gotta wait out 9th like Necrons had to wait out 8th (though tbf nids sucked in 8th too, so we feel your pain lol).
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2020/07/04 16:55:56
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Harder to balance if specific weapons become good because they're baked into the cost of the model, meaning points increases screw with model balance when other wargear options are considered. It removes levers that they can use for balance, and that's never a good thing.
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2020/07/04 16:56:52
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Deathwing Terminator with Assault Cannon
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MajorWesJanson wrote:
Commander and librarian already have Primaris versions- 3 captains and a libby for primaris.
Scouts and sniper scouts are easily merged, really if the necromunda enforcers box had a bit better weapon load out it would already be covered.
Command squad, we just need a champion and probably an ancient sold separately.
Devastator seem to be replaced with hell blasters and the new melta dudes, who could have more weapons options in a multipart kit.
Land speeder and predator we have that leaked pic of.
Assault marines, if we are lucky the multipart assault Intercessor will include jump packs.
Phobos Armour is the new Scout equivalent. Infiltrators, Incursors, Reivers and Eliminators fulfil all the old scout roles between them.
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2020/07/04 16:56:54
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Not as Good as a Minion
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"need" is a strong word here as they don't to make a 1:1 replacemant but just something similar or merge the units with something else
and from all those you mentioned, there is only the Scout Bikes, Scout Landspeeder and Thunderfire Cannon that would need something new, the rest is already covered
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2020/07/04 16:58:04
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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Yeah, Vanguard replaced the one scout unit with three, and added in some scout HQs which is nice since previously only Ultramarines had one.
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2020/07/04 17:03:36
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Dakka Veteran
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ClockworkZion wrote:
Harder to balance if specific weapons become good because they're baked into the cost of the model, meaning points increases screw with model balance when other wargear options are considered. It removes levers that they can use for balance, and that's never a good thing.
This is only true because GW insists on all non-default options coming with a points increase. If some were -points..................
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Silent King looks ok as a terrain piece. I don't care for the flying chair/staircase motif GW is using so often, and that Cape of Tripping..........
Void Dragon ain't bad- the lighting stuff looks better executed than the Citadel Swirly Gak TM we've come to know and loathe.
Primaris Bike Chappy was inevitable- don't like the move away from Firstborn. He has an Iron Halo WHY??
Same for the Techmarine.... They could have at least included the full servo harness, and resisted the temptation to up-gun him.
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2020/07/04 17:07:47
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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ClockworkZion wrote:Yeah, Vanguard replaced the one scout unit with three, and added in some scout HQs which is nice since previously only Ultramarines had one.
Vanguard replaced nothing. Scouts are still a thing, even in the lore. They effectively added/coopted a Raven Guard Horus Heresy concept into the Primaris.
Guilliman is all about that stealing concept crap. The Moritat are a good example of this.
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2020/07/04 17:10:13
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Lieutenant General
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Blastaar wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: Harder to balance if specific weapons become good because they're baked into the cost of the model, meaning points increases screw with model balance when other wargear options are considered. It removes levers that they can use for balance, and that's never a good thing.
This is only true because GW insists on all non-default options coming with a points increase. If some were -points..................
You also have to pay for the default options. They're not a part of the unit's base cost. The only reason you would need an option to cost negative points is if for some reason it was worse than having absolutely nothing at all...
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
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2020/07/04 17:25:52
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Blastaar wrote:
This is only true because GW insists on all non-default options coming with a points increase. If some were -points..................
That only works for none shared wargear sadly. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Kanluwen wrote: ClockworkZion wrote:Yeah, Vanguard replaced the one scout unit with three, and added in some scout HQs which is nice since previously only Ultramarines had one.
Vanguard replaced nothing. Scouts are still a thing, even in the lore. They effectively added/coopted a Raven Guard Horus Heresy concept into the Primaris.
Guilliman is all about that stealing concept crap. The Moritat are a good example of this.
Meh, give it time. Eventually they'll replace the scouts completely. They already make up the 10th now in addition to proper scouts.
Though does that mean the Exorcists have 3 companies of Vanguard?
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2020/07/04 17:30:37
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I can't get the picture up, but is that a new necron model in the upper left of the silent king on the community page. It looks like a new pylon weapon
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2020/07/04 17:38:09
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Lieutenant General
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specia_k_squared wrote:I can't get the picture up, but is that a new necron model in the upper left of the silent king on the community page. It looks like a new pylon weapon
It's been mentioned. It's probably just a studio terrain piece since we already have the Dominion of Convergence coming for a Necron terrain piece.
From War of Sigmar:
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2020/07/04 17:39:46
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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I’m curious -because I’m not much of a math hammer kinda dude- about the balance in the Indomitus box set in general. Does it seem fair? Or does it look one sided?
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2020/07/04 17:45:16
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Dakka Veteran
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IanVanCheese wrote: Overread wrote: Carnikang wrote:I'm just hoping that Space Marines make enough money for GW to consider producing plastic Biovores, Lictors, Pyrovores, Shrikes, redone Deathleaper, and Red Terror.
Get that money Space Marines....
Yes I hope so too! I've been waiting for some of those for a very long time! (ok actually all of them)
I think Tyranids are coming, maybe even the next big release after this lot. The Silent King came back to stop the nid... with that said, you might be the big bad of 10th ed, in which case you gotta wait out 9th like Necrons had to wait out 8th (though tbf nids sucked in 8th too, so we feel your pain lol).
Yeah I really hope GW take this treatment of Necrons and apply to it Nids- these are spectacular!
{and obviously brand new Squats coming after the Nids to extract their revenge.. although that would break my bank account/require the selling of a kidney and there's only so many of those you can steal before you get caught... ]
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2020/07/04 17:52:05
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Kanluwen wrote: ClockworkZion wrote:Yeah, Vanguard replaced the one scout unit with three, and added in some scout HQs which is nice since previously only Ultramarines had one.
Vanguard replaced nothing. Scouts are still a thing, even in the lore. They effectively added/coopted a Raven Guard Horus Heresy concept into the Primaris.
Guilliman is all about that stealing concept crap. The Moritat are a good example of this.
Actually we really don't know if scouts are still a thing GW has said nothing on it. They presumably will be in the new codex, at that GW intends on replacing them with primairis equivalents at some point. I don't mind if they don't as people have already mentioned that their roles have effectively been replaced by these:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marines-Primaris-Infiltrators-2019
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marines-Primaris-Incursors-2019
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Primaris-Lieutenant-In-Phobos-Armour-2019
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Primaris-Captain-In-Phobos-Armour-2019
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marines-Primaris-Eliminators-2019
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Etb-Primaris-Reivers-2017
And so could be dropped.
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2020/07/04 17:52:31
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Stealthy Kroot Stalker
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:See The Silent King’s enslaved C’Tan?
I’m going to refer to it as Bob.
And given its clearly in pain, imagine Szarekh has to say “shut up, Bob” with regularity.
What do you call a C'Tan with no arms and no legs floating tortured and bound by eldritch technological forces?
Bob.
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2020/07/04 17:55:18
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Dakka Veteran
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:See The Silent King’s enslaved C’Tan?
I’m going to refer to it as Bob.
And given its clearly in pain, imagine Szarekh has to say “shut up, Bob” with regularity.
See, you see Bob in pain.
To me, it looks like Bob's into it.
So it's less trying to talk over him screaming, more trying to talk over him moaning.
"YES foolish fleshlings, soon all that you know will be OBLITER... Bob? Do you mind not … making those noises? And do you have to keep squirming back there? It's really distracting from …. Bob please, people are *watching*…"
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2020/07/04 18:03:10
Subject: 40k 9th edition, : rules download page 298
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Wakshaani wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:See The Silent King’s enslaved C’Tan?
I’m going to refer to it as Bob.
And given its clearly in pain, imagine Szarekh has to say “shut up, Bob” with regularity.
See, you see Bob in pain.
To me, it looks like Bob's into it.
So it's less trying to talk over him screaming, more trying to talk over him moaning.
"YES foolish fleshlings, soon all that you know will be OBLITER... Bob? Do you mind not … making those noises? And do you have to keep squirming back there? It's really distracting from …. Bob please, people are *watching*…"
Easy there Slaanesh, your kink is showing.
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