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I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.

EldarExarch wrote:
Im super confused and annoyed, I thought pre-orders weren't supposed to start until 10am PST, and now everything is already sold out. Christ almighty....

It doesn't start until 10am PST here in the US from Games Workshop directly.

Independents do whatever the hell they want and then generally blame any screwups on GW.

Feel bad for those that didn't get one.

I wouldn't doubt a second wave and those models will all be available later.

I mean I see the purpose of a nice, tidy box but it's not as if those models cease to exist after the preorders get shipped on 25th.

Having stuff early is fun but at end of day it's little toy soldiers, not your grandmas dialysis machine.

 Kanluwen wrote:

EldarExarch wrote:
Im super confused and annoyed, I thought pre-orders weren't supposed to start until 10am PST, and now everything is already sold out. Christ almighty....

It doesn't start until 10am PST here in the US from Games Workshop directly.

Independents do whatever the hell they want and then generally blame any screwups on GW.

Small corporations are indeed not any more moral than larger corporations

 Trickstick wrote:
I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.

Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted

 Kanluwen wrote:

EldarExarch wrote:
Im super confused and annoyed, I thought pre-orders weren't supposed to start until 10am PST, and now everything is already sold out. Christ almighty....

It doesn't start until 10am PST here in the US from Games Workshop directly.

Independents do whatever the hell they want and then generally blame any screwups on GW.

Ok thanks for the clarification.

tneva82 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.

Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted

How could we possibly know if they are or aren't? Maybe they are trying to build stock levels back up? Maybe they are waiting on box shipments from China (I think they outsource the boxes)? Maybe they are doing some marketing tactic? I have no idea. But I try to at least leave wiggle room in my guesses, as the only ones who really know are not talking.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Independents do whatever the hell they want and then generally blame any screwups on GW.

'Cause being told you can order 250, then being told you can only have 45, and then being told you can have closer to 90 after you've told a bunch of people they can't have it and refunded them, all in the space of a day or so is something we should blame the FLGS for, right?

tneva82 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.

Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted

To be blunt, they haven't said that these items will never be produced again.

Just that this specific box is not.

I will wait for a start collecting box with the marine half...

The models in the boxed set will either be produced again or the same model type will. Eg the 4 legged pushfit walker has only one build in the box; but we know there's antoher build with a cannon on top. If you look at its legs they are different so it might be GW has two sculpts - one pushfit single build one multi option.

Much the same as the sisters of battle set.

I'd wager the pushfit might well end up in its own getting started or similar set.


I dont think GW is keen to repeat the mess in the past of things like the Island of Blood set where they put all new sculpts in for two armies that never got general release.



Note I'd wager the two production waves of the boxed set is due to Corona - likely because making sprue out of machines is likely very easy for GW to keep up to speed with. BUT packing boxes is likely where they are more worker intensive and thus far more limited due to Corona. So with demand on everything else it was likely easier to split the boxed set packing and make two waves instead of one big push.

Tbh, as a Guardsman, the prospect of new models confuses me anyway.

tneva82 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.

Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted

You must have never worked in a manufacturing facility. A cut in workers in a plant by 25% doesn't mean 25% less production, it usually means a lot more than that because it's not going to be the managers and assistant managers and production leads that are going home, it's the plebs doing the grunt work.

Not knowing the exact setup of the facility, where it's located in the world (not in Great Britain I assume) makes it impossible dictate the impact COVID has had. If there are cogs missing from the machine, the machine is going to run slower and less efficiently.

They might have predicted X amount being made and then ran into problems in production last minute. COVID is spiking again in certain parts of the world, maybe one of the injectors broke down, maybe the printing company that is printing the rulebook for the box ran into issues.

So much goes into producing these boxes that a hiccup with producing one of those items inside can grind the entire process to a halt.

 Trickstick wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.

Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted

How could we possibly know if they are or aren't? Maybe they are trying to build stock levels back up? Maybe they are waiting on box shipments from China (I think they outsource the boxes)? Maybe they are doing some marketing tactic? I have no idea. But I try to at least leave wiggle room in my guesses, as the only ones who really know are not talking.

Alchemist's workshop wrote this about boxes https://twitter.com/AlchemistsWorks/status/1281734859409555458 but it seems that this accounts for all the retailer allocation (ie the stuff they can send out day one as well as what goes out in August). It does indicate that they don't have boxes for all the plastic they've made, at least. Personally I'm hoping there will be several waves available to buy as GW are able to get them made.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Independents do whatever the hell they want and then generally blame any screwups on GW.

'Cause being told you can order 250, then being told you can only have 45, and then being told you can have closer to 90 after you've told a bunch of people they can't have it and refunded them, all in the space of a day or so is something we should blame the FLGS for, right?

Absolutely yeah. 250 is a wiiiiiiiiiiiild number for a launch day if the independent to be rocking if they don't have multiple locations.

Also, reserve lists aren't really the same thing as preordering...and maybe try not taking preorders weeks before the actual date?


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 Overread wrote:
The models in the boxed set will either be produced again or the same model type will. Eg the 4 legged pushfit walker has only one build in the box; but we know there's antoher build with a cannon on top. If you look at its legs they are different so it might be GW has two sculpts - one pushfit single build one multi option.

The Canoptek Doomstalker is the other walker with the cannon on top and we know it's an Easy to Build coming out as part of the 'Beyond the Box' stuff. That's the Invader ATV and the turret for Marines plus the Heavy Destroyer and Doomstalker for Necrons.

I mean, the store I ordered from Spain (And it is not the spanish biggest one) had 100 copies. I ordered at 11:05 and they had to cancel my order because they had sold out every box by then.

jivardi wrote:
Not knowing the exact setup of the facility, where it's located in the world (not in Great Britain I assume) makes it impossible dictate the impact COVID has had. If there are cogs missing from the machine, the machine is going to run slower and less efficiently.

They do all miniature production in their headquarters at Nottingham UK. As I said, I think that they outsource things like the boxes, books, and probably other things. However, actual sprue moulding is in the UK.

 Trickstick wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
I doubt that they are close to being back to 100% production. Social distancing in a manufacturing enviroment can really slow things down. Of course, that depends on the exact setup and policies in place.

Doesn't mean they couldn't keep on producing from now to end of 9th if they wanted. Which they don't. So it's them having level of stock they wanted

How could we possibly know if they are or aren't? Maybe they are trying to build stock levels back up? Maybe they are waiting on box shipments from China (I think they outsource the boxes)? Maybe they are doing some marketing tactic? I have no idea. But I try to at least leave wiggle room in my guesses, as the only ones who really know are not talking.

That's kind of the trick mate. They don't tell you so that you don't wait and think it over. You buy now for fear that now is all you have.

 Overread wrote:
The models in the boxed set will either be produced again or the same model type will. Eg the 4 legged pushfit walker has only one build in the box; but we know there's antoher build with a cannon on top. If you look at its legs they are different so it might be GW has two sculpts - one pushfit single build one multi option.

They're both pushfit.

The second of the walkers is one of the first EZ2B releases for 40k outside of the Indomitus box box, alongside a few other Marine and Necron things. If the second of the walkers can be built as the one from the main box I'll be very surprised. Instead it'll likely show up in a Start Collecting! Necrons box that looks remarkably like this:

 Overread wrote:
I dont think GW is keen to repeat the mess in the past of things like the Island of Blood set where they put all new sculpts in for two armies that never got general release.

There are Marine and Nurgle things you can't get outside of the 40k starter box... which is gone (and it's smaller cousins will likely follow suit if they haven't already).

 Kanluwen wrote:
Also, reserve lists aren't really the same thing as preordering...and maybe try not taking preorders weeks before the actual date?

I didn't say anything about reserve lists. And why do you assume that this is happening because of people breaking some pre-order "street date". This is happening in various parts across North America. I've heard it from at least 3 different stores in wildly different locations.

All of the current intro stuff barring Dark Imperium is still available.

 Trickstick wrote:

jivardi wrote:
Not knowing the exact setup of the facility, where it's located in the world (not in Great Britain I assume) makes it impossible dictate the impact COVID has had. If there are cogs missing from the machine, the machine is going to run slower and less efficiently.

They do all miniature production in their headquarters at Nottingham UK. As I said, I think that they outsource things like the boxes, books, and probably other things. However, actual sprue moulding is in the UK.

Yeah, and if gak went south even Monday that would impact the preorders today.

Sad thing is GW could put out a statement explaining that something went wrong in the production process and 90% of dakka would call them liars.

Sometimes I think some people don't realize what goes into producing products whose parts are outsourced around the world. It always hurt when I built computers for the business to then sell to customers who weren't knowledgeable about individual components and wanted a prebuilt so they didn't have to think too hard about what is in it and then I get informed by my wholesaler that one of the manufacturers had issues with shipping the part and quantity that was ordered. Can't build a "complete system" with missing components, which hurt my bottom line because once I sold out of the ones I had already built I had to rely on made-to-order PC's and most of my stores profit was on the "complete" systems, not MTO.

So, whilst looking for the picture of the potential/almost-probably new Start Collecting! Necrons contents, I was looking through the new 40K website and there's a section for how to play. It's still coming soon (bit hard to get Becca Scott in to film a small video series during COVID), but it does have this:



Firstly we know the pipes are new, but what about those ruins?

There is no current wall panel in the Sector Imperialis line (including the Manufactorum walls) that has the CogSkull design on it. The smaller ruin to the north of it, between the two new sets of pipe, has a circular pattern not found on any of the current ruins.

Even the flooring on the larger ruin towards the bottom of the picture appears new, as it doesn't match either side of the regular floor panels, and is more ruined than the Derelict Manufactorum's flooring. That and it has different details.

I think there's even more new terrain coming our way!

And in what is perhaps sadder news, both the Battlefield Accessory Set and the Ryza Pattern Ruins are listed as "No Longer Available Online".

 Kanluwen wrote:
All of the current intro stuff barring Dark Imperium is still available.

"... and it's smaller cousins will likely follow suit...". Y'know, especially as they contain starter rules for the previous edition of the game.

Are the Necron Warriors and Skorpekh Destroyers definitely getting multi-part kit releases? or will they remain of the ETB variety?

jivardi wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

jivardi wrote:
Not knowing the exact setup of the facility, where it's located in the world (not in Great Britain I assume) makes it impossible dictate the impact COVID has had. If there are cogs missing from the machine, the machine is going to run slower and less efficiently.

They do all miniature production in their headquarters at Nottingham UK. As I said, I think that they outsource things like the boxes, books, and probably other things. However, actual sprue moulding is in the UK.

Yeah, and if gak went south even Monday that would impact the preorders today.

Sad thing is GW could put out a statement explaining that something went wrong in the production process and 90% of dakka would call them liars.

Sometimes I think some people don't realize what goes into producing products whose parts are outsourced around the world. It always hurt when I built computers for the business to then sell to customers who weren't knowledgeable about individual components and wanted a prebuilt so they didn't have to think too hard about what is in it and then I get informed by my wholesaler that one of the manufacturers had issues with shipping the part and quantity that was ordered. Can't build a "complete system" with missing components, which hurt my bottom line because once I sold out of the ones I had already built I had to rely on made-to-order PC's and most of my stores profit was on the "complete" systems, not MTO.

Covid could explain why it takes longer to produce set number but not why gw settled for same number. You do know they can stilv produce? And you pretend this is first time they sold out like this. It happens all the time. And it's doing just what gw wanted.

This box isn't any different to every other limited edition set that sells out. Gw doesn't want to meet demand because that would lower profits as full price kit sales would drop

 PurpleEcho wrote:
Are the Necron Warriors and Skorpekh Destroyers definitely getting multi-part kit releases? or will they remain of the ETB variety?

Necron warriors come with options for both weapons for all 20 models so I'm pretty sure necron warriors will be just those repackaged as a normal box. Skorpekh I'm not that sure.

The Warriors I'm certain are the new Warriors kit. As mentioned above they come with both sets of options already. Plus they come with 3 bases of Scarabs on the sprue. It's a flat 1 for 1 replacement with the current box, only it'll be 20%-50% more expensive for some reason.

The Destroyers, ahh, I'm not certain. It'd be nice if they got a full kit, but it's not the end of the world if they don't.

 Galas wrote:

 PurpleEcho wrote:
Are the Necron Warriors and Skorpekh Destroyers definitely getting multi-part kit releases? or will they remain of the ETB variety?

Necron warriors come with options for both weapons for all 20 models so I'm pretty sure necron warriors will be just those repackaged as a normal box. Skorpekh I'm not that sure.

There is precedent for both ETB and Full kits existing side by side (Redemptor dread, aggressors, others) so it will be interesting to see how thing pan out.

 Overread wrote:
The models in the boxed set will either be produced again or the same model type will. Eg the 4 legged pushfit walker has only one build in the box; but we know there's antoher build with a cannon on top. If you look at its legs they are different so it might be GW has two sculpts - one pushfit single build one multi option.

Much the same as the sisters of battle set.

Just like the Gravis Captain and Suppressors.

Several third party sellers are already saying wave two ordering for August.
So I assume a new wave is for sure a thing.

Are we still talking about the boxset? Boooo! Give me LEAKS!!! I NEED POINTS!!!