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 zedmeister wrote:
The wailing and gnashing of teeth you can hear is every speculator who purchased multiple sets to resell.

Refunds incoming....

If they cancel orders those will just go to the made to order. If they receive it they lose out on return shipping

Loopstah wrote:

Missed out on getting a copy of Indomitus this weekend? Don't worry, we've got you covered.

Due to unprecedented demand, Indomitus sold out online in minutes – but we don't want anyone to miss out, so today we’re going to make Indomitus available as a Made to Order item.

If you missed out and still want one, you can order it right now. These will be limited to one per customer order, and they will arrive some time after July 25th (we're not quite sure when right now – we'll make them as fast as we can!).

OK. This is very cool of them, and perfectly solves the issue. It also screws over the scalpers, so that is a plus. Good job GW!

I don't see anything saying how long this Made to Order deal will last, but do note it might take a wee bit to get your Indomitus box:

This product is made to order. It may take up to 120 days to be dispatched. We hope to get it to you far sooner!

 Crimson wrote:

Loopstah wrote:

Missed out on getting a copy of Indomitus this weekend? Don't worry, we've got you covered.

Due to unprecedented demand, Indomitus sold out online in minutes – but we don't want anyone to miss out, so today we’re going to make Indomitus available as a Made to Order item.

If you missed out and still want one, you can order it right now. These will be limited to one per customer order, and they will arrive some time after July 25th (we're not quite sure when right now – we'll make them as fast as we can!).

OK. This is very cool of them, and perfectly solves the issue. It also screws over the scalpers, so that is a plus. Good job GW!

That's a normal pre-order period : you make an order for a product during a limited time and they produce it. They finally came to reason.

Loopstah wrote:

Missed out on getting a copy of Indomitus this weekend? Don't worry, we've got you covered.

Due to unprecedented demand, Indomitus sold out online in minutes – but we don't want anyone to miss out, so today we’re going to make Indomitus available as a Made to Order item.

If you missed out and still want one, you can order it right now. These will be limited to one per customer order, and they will arrive some time after July 25th (we're not quite sure when right now – we'll make them as fast as we can!).

I was wondering why today's article-of-substance seemed late.

Hmmm. I was going to complain about them undercutting stores, but they made a point to reference checking with local stores as the preferred option.

Would've liked to see what the 'limited time' for the MTO is. Today to... Release Day? Sooner? Later? Is there a secret cap to orders, and that'll determine the end date?
Personally, I wouldn't go for something that might ship 'sometime in the next 120 days,' but it is at least a legit attempt to deal with availability complaints, and at the same price point. So they've made that a nonissue as far as I'm concerned.

 Crimson wrote:

Loopstah wrote:

Missed out on getting a copy of Indomitus this weekend? Don't worry, we've got you covered.

Due to unprecedented demand, Indomitus sold out online in minutes – but we don't want anyone to miss out, so today we’re going to make Indomitus available as a Made to Order item.

If you missed out and still want one, you can order it right now. These will be limited to one per customer order, and they will arrive some time after July 25th (we're not quite sure when right now – we'll make them as fast as we can!).

OK. This is very cool of them, and perfectly solves the issue. It also screws over the scalpers, so that is a plus. Good job GW!

Right. There are Indomitus sets on eBay for $400. Those people can suck it.

Lol so many scalpers are gonna lose a tonne of money over this.

Looks like you can still order Indomidus if you missed the other pre-order. I just ordered one, but who knows when it will show up... It said up to 120 days

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Indomitus-EN-2020

Guess they are just gonna send you a book and loose sprues?

Part of that 120 days is probably them getting more printings of "Edge of Silence"(the fluff/datasheet book), more printings of the special version of the Core Rules, more printings of the instruction setup, and more printings of the box for the product.

 Leth wrote:
Wow, so I assume all the people freaking out because GW didn’t have a response 10 seconds after the pre-order sold out are going to own it and eat crow?

Nah, that would require taking personal responsibility for freaking out that a company did not have an immediate response over the weekend, not like something would take coordination between multiple departments to figureout or anything.

I wonder how you all survived before the internet and instant gratification.

Do.Not.Build.Limited.Starter.Boxes.In.The.First.Place.

GW completely gak the bed with Indomitus, and now here you are ready to defend them to the death just because they went in damage control mode.

Good boy. Now fetch

So based on FAQs and points the winners in 9th are
Ad mech
Space marines in general
Custodes
Astra militarum and scions

Possibly ~630 pt castellan if that price point sticks

There seems to be a reoccurring common theme with these armies that I can’t quite figure out...

gungo wrote:
So based on FAQs and points the winners in 9th are
Ad mech
Space marines in general
Custodes
Astra militarum

Possibly ~630 pt castellan if that price point sticks

There send to be a reoccurring common theme with these armies that I can’t quite figure out...

Necrons in general did pretty well. Immortals got hit above the minimum, likely because of the edition of MSU tesla spam, but didn't get hit hard enough to stop it.

Don't have CA2019, but a number of things are generally down from Codex/2018 costs. Lychguard and Destroyers look like bad hikes, until you realize their weapons went to 0.
That happened with some other xenos as well (I'm sure a few riptide owners started screaming before they looked at the next section, for example)

Eldar are the big exception (except clowns). They got roundly stomped.

Does anyone know the rough points tally for the Space Marine half of this box set?
Looking around today I got the Necron half to about 990 points (no idea about wargear options).

gungo wrote:
So based on FAQs and points the winners in 9th are
Ad mech
Space marines in general
Custodes
Astra militarum and scions

Possibly ~630 pt castellan if that price point sticks

There seems to be a reoccurring common theme with these armies that I can’t quite figure out...

Don't forget Death Guard. I built ~1800 pt lists to port over to 9th when points dropped for my armies and when I ran the lists the new points, Death Guard came out 150 pts. UNDER 2k, It was the only army to do that. My other armies came out either right on 2K or over. Poor Tyranids.

 Leth wrote:
Wow, so I assume all the people freaking out because GW didn’t have a response 10 seconds after the pre-order sold out are going to own it and eat crow?

Nah, that would require taking personal responsibility for freaking out that a company did not have an immediate response over the weekend, not like something would take coordination between multiple departments to figureout or anything. Same with the stormshields and everything else.

I wonder how you all survived before the internet and instant gratification.

GW did that because people pointed out the problematic character of such business practice. Your comment is dumb : all this affair prove that the player base is right into not accepting those kind of business practices.

 Elevenses wrote:
Does anyone know the rough points tally for the Space Marine half of this box set?
Looking around today I got the Necron half to about 990 points (no idea about wargear options).

1035 pts and 1085 for the necron or something like that.

Hahaha I totally called it.

If GW made an announcement that, "Wow we're so shocked by the success of Indomitus!" and then said they'll have a two week window where any and all orders for the box will be honoured, albeit coming months later due to needing to be produced, I would not be surprised. This also has the benefit for them of positive PR spin "GW do listen to us guys!" and that in that time they'll probably sell a lot of rulebooks to those same people who want to get a game in NOW.

 Leth wrote:

topaxygouroun i wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Wow, so I assume all the people freaking out because GW didn’t have a response 10 seconds after the pre-order sold out are going to own it and eat crow?

Nah, that would require taking personal responsibility for freaking out that a company did not have an immediate response over the weekend, not like something would take coordination between multiple departments to figureout or anything.

I wonder how you all survived before the internet and instant gratification.

Do.Not.Build.Limited.Starter.Boxes.In.The.First.Place.

GW completely gak the bed with Indomitus, and now here you are ready to defend them to the death just because they went in damage control mode.

Good boy. Now fetch

lol, I didn’t defend them. I called out whiny people who flipped their tit because they couldn’t get their fix.

At least you can get your hit now addict. Don’t forget to tap your wrist twice before injecting.

"I love my dealer and hate my peers".

Hmm, good news. Can't get the customary online discount from retailers (big win for GW there).120 days to deliver though? Four months, that's not inconsiderable at all.

 Leth wrote:
Wow, so I assume all the people freaking out because GW didn’t have a response 10 seconds after the pre-order sold out are going to own it and eat crow?

Nah, that would require taking personal responsibility for freaking out that a company did not have an immediate response over the weekend, not like something would take coordination between multiple departments to figureout or anything. Same with the stormshields and everything else.

I wonder how you all survived before the internet and instant gratification.

If they do eat some crow you'll need binoculars to see it from all the way up there on your horse.

 Leth wrote:

topaxygouroun i wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Wow, so I assume all the people freaking out because GW didn’t have a response 10 seconds after the pre-order sold out are going to own it and eat crow?

Nah, that would require taking personal responsibility for freaking out that a company did not have an immediate response over the weekend, not like something would take coordination between multiple departments to figureout or anything.

I wonder how you all survived before the internet and instant gratification.

Do.Not.Build.Limited.Starter.Boxes.In.The.First.Place.

GW completely gak the bed with Indomitus, and now here you are ready to defend them to the death just because they went in damage control mode.

Good boy. Now fetch

lol, I didn’t defend them. I called out whiny people who flipped their tit because they couldn’t get their fix.

At least you can get your hit now addict. Don’t forget to tap your wrist twice before injecting.

I would trust you know enough about fixes the way you talk.
No you're right, you didn't defend them. You didn't even reach that high. You just came here trying to claim some sort of victory you did not achieve on behalf of GW and cause further unrest because of that. Textbook pathetic.

Grats!

Voss wrote:

gungo wrote:
So based on FAQs and points the winners in 9th are
Ad mech
Space marines in general
Custodes
Astra militarum

Possibly ~630 pt castellan if that price point sticks

There send to be a reoccurring common theme with these armies that I can’t quite figure out...

Necrons in general did pretty well. Immortals got hit above the minimum, likely because of the edition of MSU tesla spam, but didn't get hit hard enough to stop it.

Don't have CA2019, but a number of things are generally down from Codex/2018 costs. Lychguard and Destroyers look like bad hikes, until you realize their weapons went to 0.
That happened with some other xenos as well (I'm sure a few riptide owners started screaming before they looked at the next section, for example)

Eldar are the big exception (except clowns). They got roundly stomped.

I do wonder what tricks they saved up Thier sleeves for a necron codex. Considering necron data sheets for new Indomitus Models are in the box. We have all the points updates.
So???
New models?
New mechanics?

I think you are correct Necrons should come out relatively competitive.
My point was mainly imperial got much more competitive whereas xenos and chaos took major hits

Voss wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Voss wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So how much more is Lias and Sternguard? I pray and hope it's still reasonable to run them together. Seeing as Intercessors are just 20 points, Sternguard should be a lot cheaper.

Lias Issodon (if that's who you mean) is Sir Not Appearing in this Book.

Uh what about the other FW guys with no model?

Not sure about 'no model' specifically, but Goonhammer mentioned these, there may be others they deemed 'not relevant'

Chaplain Dreadnoughts
Lias Issodon
Hellwrights
Sororitas Repressors
Death Rider Commissars

Do we know if Ashmantle (iirc) the Salamander Dread Character still has rules?

 puma713 wrote:

gungo wrote:
So based on FAQs and points the winners in 9th are
Ad mech
Space marines in general
Custodes
Astra militarum and scions

Possibly ~630 pt castellan if that price point sticks

There seems to be a reoccurring common theme with these armies that I can’t quite figure out...

Don't forget Death Guard. I built ~1800 pt lists to port over to 9th when points dropped for my armies and when I ran the lists the new points, Death Guard came out 150 pts. UNDER 2k, It was the only army to do that. My other armies came out either right on 2K or over. Poor Tyranids.

While death guard and thousand sons and harlequins didn’t get kicked in the teeth. I’m not sure they can be as competitive in an edition that hinders soup.

I find it hard to tell where things stand since a lot of the points have been shifted around with wargear getting a lot cheaper. We will really need to see where the final unit totals stand in comparison, as well as what the mission packs look like.

my impression was that having disposable units that you didn’t care about their offensive output were going to be pretty valuable this edition. Combined with the reduced need to have a troop tax for multiple battalions I can see why they thought the points might need to go up for chaff. Don’t necessarily agree with it mind you.

This MTO is a good move(although I wont be partaking as I already ordered the rule book, and am not bothered about the Marines). Hopefully it does well and GW will use this for future sets.

WhiteDog wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Loopstah wrote:

Missed out on getting a copy of Indomitus this weekend? Don't worry, we've got you covered.

Due to unprecedented demand, Indomitus sold out online in minutes – but we don't want anyone to miss out, so today we’re going to make Indomitus available as a Made to Order item.

If you missed out and still want one, you can order it right now. These will be limited to one per customer order, and they will arrive some time after July 25th (we're not quite sure when right now – we'll make them as fast as we can!).

OK. This is very cool of them, and perfectly solves the issue. It also screws over the scalpers, so that is a plus. Good job GW!

That's a normal pre-order period : you make an order for a product during a limited time and they produce it. They finally came to reason.

Yeah, no. That's NOT how it works.

I worked for a video game retailer for several years, and worked several system releases in that time period. When a new console was coming out, we were told EXACTLY how many consoles we were getting for launch day at our particular store. The reason we had the limit? It's not because of an inability to gauge demand, but rather because of how long it takes to make and ship things. I know the analogy isn't quite perfect because I'm talking about a product designed to be one sale for the next 4-5 years, but there are some parallels.

GW can't take pre-orders for two weeks and then deliver all those orders on launch day because the production process and shipping process exist. It takes time to make all those boxes and then get them where the need to go. A lot more than two weeks. So, all they can do is make their best guess as to how many they think they'll sell, and get those ready for sale. In this case, they either severely underestimated demand, or overestimated the scalpers. In either case, they didn't make enough.

And they caught it and addressed it. Want one? Go order one. I have one on order at my FLGS, but I might order another for giggles because the savings on the marines is pretty good. And the fact that this screws the scalpers is just icing on the cake, because those guys are the scum of the Earth.

gungo wrote:
So based on FAQs and points the winners in 9th are
Ad mech
Space marines in general
Custodes
Astra militarum and scions

Possibly ~630 pt castellan if that price point sticks

There seems to be a reoccurring common theme with these armies that I can’t quite figure out...

Thousand Sons made out pretty well. Min rubric marines basically didn't go up, because of the free staff. Scarabs went up, but they were getting pretty strong. Daemon engines are super happy. Tzaangors up just 1. Exalteds down 20.

Marines are also the faction that took most of the largest increases, so, I question the logic to determine winners.

Hey guys, lets tone it down, trying to settle scores or determine who "eats crow" isn't the topic of the thread. Take it to PM's or just let it be.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Loopstah wrote:

Missed out on getting a copy of Indomitus this weekend? Don't worry, we've got you covered.

Due to unprecedented demand, Indomitus sold out online in minutes – but we don't want anyone to miss out, so today we’re going to make Indomitus available as a Made to Order item.

If you missed out and still want one, you can order it right now. These will be limited to one per customer order, and they will arrive some time after July 25th (we're not quite sure when right now – we'll make them as fast as we can!).

OK. This is very cool of them, and perfectly solves the issue. It also screws over the scalpers, so that is a plus. Good job GW!

That's a normal pre-order period : you make an order for a product during a limited time and they produce it. They finally came to reason.

Yeah, no. That's NOT how it works.

I worked for a video game retailer for several years, and worked several system releases in that time period. When a new console was coming out, we were told EXACTLY how many consoles we were getting for launch day at our particular store. The reason we had the limit? It's not because of an inability to gauge demand, but rather because of how long it takes to make and ship things. I know the analogy isn't quite perfect because I'm talking about a product designed to be one sale for the next 4-5 years, but there are some parallels.

GW can't take pre-orders for two weeks and then deliver all those orders on launch day because the production process and shipping process exist. It takes time to make all those boxes and then get them where the need to go. A lot more than two weeks. So, all they can do is make their best guess as to how many they think they'll sell, and get those ready for sale. In this case, they either severely underestimated demand, or overestimated the scalpers. In either case, they didn't make enough.

And they caught it and addressed it. Want one? Go order one. I have one on order at my FLGS, but I might order another for giggles because the savings on the marines is pretty good. And the fact that this screws the scalpers is just icing on the cake, because those guys are the scum of the Earth.

The comparaison between console and the indomitus boxset doesn't add up and you know it because you write it in your own comment.

"GW can't take pre-orders for two weeks and then deliver all those orders on launch day because the production process and shipping process exist" YES That's not a real "pre-order" because it is too short. It's a limited time during which you can fight with your peer for the limited quantity that they produce. We can call that a gang-buy if you will. It's made to fuel the hype and facilitate distribution.

Finally, they adressed it because people whined, just like they did by producing a second wave of SoB box when people whined back then. People who dislike when the customesr express their frustration somehow seems to believe that the relationship between a firm and its customer is a cult following or what ? Throw your money in and do not ask any kind of behavior in return !
There are many type of complaint that are, indeed, too harsh towards GW, but this was not it : the anger felt by all those people that could not get a box was a valid and legitimate response to a shaddy business practice.

This doesn't screw Scalpers as bad as many of you think it will.

If they don't get the money they want over time from overpricing the box now, they will just sit on it and break out the Units to sell individually later on.

The minis from Dark Imperium still sell for a total amount over the cost of the initial buy, to this very day on EBay.

Hell, the Halves of DI separately make more money than the whole box cost. Splitting out each unit get far more than that.

Guys, can we ignore Leth's insults and personal attacks? He's just a troll anyways. Let's stick to the topic!