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as the 8th edition rules are gone from the app as soon as the 9th edition codex hit, tgey just need to add some new special rules to make it necessary for the Necron players

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tneva82 wrote:
Warcry warbands won't be announced this sunday 100% sure. That would put preorder for 25.7 and as warhammer community revealed august is month for new warcry warbands(and for GW it's the preorder date that determines month).

Wish GW did roadmap for all games and not just warcry...

GW did a roadmap for Warhammer Underworlds, not WarCry.

Additionally, a preorder on the 25th for Underworlds would be a release date of August 1st...which would align with GW's calendar of late.

In any regards, we'll know more of what to expect for 40k on the 25th in all likelihood. That's when the next 40k Preview Show will be.

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 kodos wrote:
as the 8th edition rules are gone from the app as soon as the 9th edition codex hit, tgey just need to add some new special rules to make it necessary for the Necron players


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tneva82 wrote:
Warcry warbands won't be announced this sunday 100% sure. That would put preorder for 25.7 and as warhammer community revealed august is month for new warcry warbands(and for GW it's the preorder date that determines month).

Wish GW did roadmap for all games and not just warcry...

Do you mean the Beastgrave warbands?

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gungo wrote:
What can they possibly add in a Necron codex to make necron players required to purchase it?

They are getting all the points in both the app and CA, datasheets for the new models in Indomitus

And FAQs for all 8th edition codex to bring them up to 9th rules plus all the 8th books are on the app for free including szera...

They have to add at least some niche 1-2 pages of stuff so people buy the book. New strats, relics, traits, etc or whatever new 9th edition tacked on rules...

It has to be more then just that terrain piece. My guess is there is at least 1 more model not shown.

How about all the new models that aren’t in Indomitus like:
The Silent King
The Laser Giraffe (The one with the doomsday cannon hat)
The new Monolith (with suitably adjusted profile)
The new hover-destroyers
The Void Dragon

And yeah, the terrain piece.
Plus anything we missed in the spoiled images etc. Like a Triarch Captain or something.

Also, as others said, the 8e book vanishes from the app once the 9e version drops and you only get that in the app once you buy a copy.

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Also I kind of get the vibe that necrons are changing quite a bit from what they've said in the interviews etc ahead of time.

More of the necromantic feel with some telegraphed buffs etc like the new walker and more of a horde that is then focused on to make it better.
   
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Thinking about it... if CA came with the app subscription, it wouldn’t be a bad deal. So would waiving subscription fees for buying models. Or anything really.

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So what do we all think the first codexes that are out will be?

Will GW want to release them as quickly as they have done over 8th? Seeing as there was a need to get those done because of the bigger changes in the system.

At the beginning of eighth the codexes seemed to come thick and fast.


 
   
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I would say definitely Necrons and Marines just because they’ve already previewed multiple additional new models for both.

 
   
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Yes. Marines and Necrons.

Even though Idomitus might be gone (for the moment), there still appears to be a Marine vs. Necron starter (Edge of Silence?), which is gonna be the main product every GW store around the world is gonna launch basically every sales-talk off for almost every new face entering the store.

And the immediate add-on / follow-up sale will be the Necron / Marine Codex (and no, the old Marine Codex that doesn't have the units from the starter won't do).

Just from a retail perspective, they'll do everything possible to get those two books into the stores ASAP.



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Yeah, definitely loyalist dogs and Necrons first, but who's next? Grey Knights and csm are currently the oldest (no, csm "2" wasn't a new codex), but a lot of the Rumour Engine pics scream Death Guard and a couple are almost certainly Lilith Hesperax, so maybe Dark Eldar or Death Guard?
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Yeah, definitely loyalist dogs and Necrons first, but who's next? Grey Knights and csm are currently the oldest (no, csm "2" wasn't a new codex), but a lot of the Rumour Engine pics scream Death Guard and a couple are almost certainly Lilith Hesperax, so maybe Dark Eldar or Death Guard?


I think that is pretty much all speculation. Rumour-pics can be as much as 2 years out as seen by the Soul Wars rumour pics (though I think GW has tried to shorten it recently).

Throw a dart at your 40K bookshelf, really. There's no telling which Codex might be up sooner or later.

Maybe Daemons and AdMech might make some sense, as they both have tons of units scattered throughout campaign supplements, etc.. but who knows. Inversely, they might be the last to get stuff, if there're not more new models GW can pitch with a new Codex.


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There’s also that leaked Primaris land speeder too, I wonder if that will be previewed soon.

 
   
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They also said that the new fw books would be released shortly after 9th, so do we get those before codexes? I'm tired of waiting. It's been a long time since they were announced at LVO. Time they pulled the trigger.
   
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Otoh that book will mean plenty models going out of play and rest getting nerfbats.

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 General Kroll wrote:
There’s also that leaked Primaris land speeder too, I wonder if that will be previewed soon.

They said the next preview will be on the 25th so probably then maybe even a release date
   
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tneva82 wrote:
Otoh that book will mean plenty models going out of play and rest getting nerfbats.

Yes, a lot of OOP stuff will be going to legends, but some of the stuff that won't can't be nerfed much more. How do they nerf things that they've already made so expensive as to be practically unplayable?
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Otoh that book will mean plenty models going out of play and rest getting nerfbats.

Yes, a lot of OOP stuff will be going to legends, but some of the stuff that won't can't be nerfed much more. How do they nerf things that they've already made so expensive as to be practically unplayable?

Is this hypothetical or are you legit asking?
   
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I would expect deathwatch fairly early. Pete Foley and Stu alluded to them coming out 'soon after 9th' in one of the twitch streams.
   
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So what is Legends exactly and how does that stuff matter for tournament legality?

 
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Otoh that book will mean plenty models going out of play and rest getting nerfbats.

Yes, a lot of OOP stuff will be going to legends, but some of the stuff that won't can't be nerfed much more. How do they nerf things that they've already made so expensive as to be practically unplayable?

Is this hypothetical or are you legit asking?

Hypothetical. I know the answer is "Make them even more expensive".
   
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It's also very likely that FW legends will not have any points values attached to them, making it impossible to play them in regular games. The current FW "legends" suffer from the same treatment.

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 General Kroll wrote:
So what do we all think the first codexes that are out will be?


Marines, Necrons, then Guard.

People seem to have missed that Guard were in the big trailer. Not just that, a female Guardsman with slight design differences. I think that I heard them say that everything in the trailer was getting a model release too, and the Cadian kits are rather old by now...

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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Otoh that book will mean plenty models going out of play and rest getting nerfbats.

Yes, a lot of OOP stuff will be going to legends, but some of the stuff that won't can't be nerfed much more. How do they nerf things that they've already made so expensive as to be practically unplayable?


Plenty of stuff that are playable in points. And if you refer to money ith expensive..that's irrelevant. If something is playable then players will get it one way or another.

GW just doesn't want players to get them as resin has lower profit rate than plastic. If everybody would just spam best stuff and not worry about less good GW would happily drop FW alltogether but as there's people who buy for looks and don't spam best thing forever it's worth enough to sell resin but they don't have to be competive for that crowd to sell enough to be worth it.

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I think that at one point FW was a way to prototype models, guaging popularity before releasing plastic versions. Quite a lot of Guard vehicle kits started as FW. Off the top of my head: Valkyrie, Manticore, Hydra, Leman Russ Executioner, Baneblade, Shadowsword, and I think Vanquishers.

Of course this seems to have stopped in recent years, after the massive shift to Heresy, and marines in general, from FW.

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 AduroT wrote:
So what is Legends exactly and how does that stuff matter for tournament legality?


Legends is a reservoir of rules for out of production Games Workshop (thus far not Forge World) miniatures.

Previously, some very old models simply wouldn't get new rules in more recent rulebooks (e.g. the Dark Eldar Vect miniature), thus were "squatted" from the game.

With Legends, GW created a place to have those rules available for old legacy models (unfortunately not Vect, but for example some stuff more recently removed from Codexes, e.g. Eldar Autarch with Warpspider backpack, etc..).


Legends, RAW, has no impact on tournament legality and all rules in Legends are 100% matched-play legal. However, GW wrote in the caveat that legends-rules and point costs will not be changed again down the line to fit future balance-adjustments (such as the current 9th Ed. adjustment, presumably) and "recommends" that larger events not use Legend-models. As with "minimum table size", many well-known, large tournaments such as the FLG-events in the US, have adopted this recommendation as a default for all their events, and presumably many smaller events will copy that.

Whether FW stuff like Chaplain Dreads will get their own "FW Legends" or will be squatted old-school-style is yet unknown.



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Necrons will get a new codex, this has essentially been spoiled already.

Space Marines will most likely get a new codex either before or right after Necrons. There are already too many known units in the SM roster that's not in the codex, and there are even more on the way ("Land Speeder", Invader ATV") which will mean a heck of bloat before the edition is even released.

After that? Who can tell.
It could literally be anyone except maybe SoB; according to playtesters they where made with 9th in mind, and some even say that this shows. I'm not a SoB-player nor have I fought them in 9th so I can neither agree nor disagree with this statement

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Well there's still the supposed FW wildcard on the table expected to be early in 9th....

Whatever that is meant to be.

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 Trickstick wrote:
I think that at one point FW was a way to prototype models, guaging popularity before releasing plastic versions. Quite a lot of Guard vehicle kits started as FW. Off the top of my head: Valkyrie, Manticore, Hydra, Leman Russ Executioner, Baneblade, Shadowsword, and I think Vanquishers.

Of course this seems to have stopped in recent years, after the massive shift to Heresy, and marines in general, from FW.


Forgeworld was just taking models that had been designed by the studio, but manufatured in Epic scale and making them in 40k scale.

Their original models have largely not been copied by the studio, with the exception I think of the Tau Piranha. I don't know if the Trygon was based on studio art or not.

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The Valkyrie was probably the biggest model that was copied into plastic. I found some pictures of the old resin version:

Spoiler:

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