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Wakshaani wrote: Yeah, as much as I'd love some new stuff for my Orks or my bugs, Eldar are in the most need. I mean, Swooping Hawk wings date back to Rogue Trader! They have several models pushing thirty years old at this point.
Like, the Swooping Hawk wings are still in use today and were featured in the '91 catalogue. Those things graduated high school, got their BA, a Masters, a Doctorate, and are now in their second year of residency.
They *really* need an update.
So come on gang, I know we all want to be next, but it's high time we held the door open for grandpa and said, "No, really … after you."
I've been saying for a couple of edition now that GW could easily cover 3-4 Aspects if they simply put Biel-Tan in the starter, but here we are again...
Marines vs eldar would at least be bit different to usual starters but maybe hard to sell to 12yo's it's heroic marines vs evil guys. Eldars don't LOOK all that evil.
Getting mad about a decades old problem that existed from a time before the company turned it's entire structure around and started working with the community is equally absurd. I say chill because it is your only option. Either scream into the void about Marine kits or wait your turn. There are also many other miniature games that can be played too, 40K isn't the only game out there on the market.
New GW is just old GW with PR. So basically same crappy core but new lick of paint over it.
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Wakshaani wrote: Yeah, as much as I'd love some new stuff for my Orks or my bugs, Eldar are in the most need. I mean, Swooping Hawk wings date back to Rogue Trader! They have several models pushing thirty years old at this point.
Like, the Swooping Hawk wings are still in use today and were featured in the '91 catalogue. Those things graduated high school, got their BA, a Masters, a Doctorate, and are now in their second year of residency.
They *really* need an update.
So come on gang, I know we all want to be next, but it's high time we held the door open for grandpa and said, "No, really … after you."
I've been saying for a couple of edition now that GW could easily cover 3-4 Aspects if they simply put Biel-Tan in the starter, but here we are again...
Marines vs eldar would at least be bit different to usual starters but maybe hard to sell to 12yo's it's heroic marines vs evil guys. Eldars don't LOOK all that evil.
Getting mad about a decades old problem that existed from a time before the company turned it's entire structure around and started working with the community is equally absurd. I say chill because it is your only option. Either scream into the void about Marine kits or wait your turn. There are also many other miniature games that can be played too, 40K isn't the only game out there on the market.
New GW is just old GW with PR. So basically same crappy core but new lick of paint over it.
The irony is that because Eldar are more good guy in that they're not considered a threat to the imperiums survival, they are basically a soft imperial faction (read good guy). So they don't get design space as an adversary in a starter box, and won't get design space as the protagonist in a s starter box so they're basically waiting for a space where no imperial armies are getting attention...
Danny76 wrote: Also.
What characters are revealed in that video for other factions.
Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill.
Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
They can't just snap their fingers and make 100 kits across 29 factions appear in 1 year.
I keep saying this, but it bears it again. People. Need. To. CHILL. Models will come, when they come.
We already saw a huge non marine release of both Sisters and (Necrons incoming) this year and we now see Dark Eldar, and Ork models in the pipe. Guard will likely be up in the near future, depending on which is more important, orks, Tyranids, and Eldar are all probably more badly inneed of models than Guard, and that's coming from a guy who has a jar stuffed with cash in the closet for when/if Armageddon Steel Legion plastic models ever come out.
I mean their production schedule would be a lot more conducive towards modernizing the whole range if they would just quit releasing primaricrap... or cut those releases until everyone else is up to speed. I got a lot of my wish listing done as a CSM player for models but outside Dark Eldar (besides their hq’s... I feel for them) Xenos armies are sorely lacking in the models department. Space marine sculpts were good for a good long while.
The Primaris range is the new marine range, their flagship range. Of course they're going to work on getting it out. I get that there are a lot of people who don't like it, and the choice to do it can be argued, but it is the reality. Indomitus made my struggling local FGS a gak ton of money, enough that he's no longer having to consider shutting down. Almost everyone bought the box for the marines. Marines sell. Tyranids don't. That's why the wait on some of these other armies.
Also, Ad Mech just got a line update, the entire sisters range and Chaos marine range was redone, Orks got some new buggies and a new Ghaz, Xenos just got a massive release of Newcrons, GSC was just a year and a half ago, and there were new eldar models in November. Now we're getting new Marine stuff for a line that is still developing. I don't think all the angst is really justified.
Danny76 wrote: Also.
What characters are revealed in that video for other factions.
Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill.
Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
They can't just snap their fingers and make 100 kits across 29 factions appear in 1 year.
I keep saying this, but it bears it again. People. Need. To. CHILL. Models will come, when they come.
We already saw a huge non marine release of both Sisters and (Necrons incoming) this year and we now see Dark Eldar, and Ork models in the pipe. Guard will likely be up in the near future, depending on which is more important, orks, Tyranids, and Eldar are all probably more badly inneed of models than Guard, and that's coming from a guy who has a jar stuffed with cash in the closet for when/if Armageddon Steel Legion plastic models ever come out.
You’re right. All they need to do is cut two Space Marine kits from the release schedule and do two Guard kits. Guard would sell so much better if the core of a Guard Army.....the bloody Guardsmen looked half decent. The Gaunt, Boy, and even the Guardian kits hold up much better than the Cadians.....and are are leagues apart from the Catachans. You say one year, but I shouldn’t need to remind you that the plastic Cadians are 17 years old and the plastic Catachans are 21. They are the worst two plastic infantry kits in the 40k range. The plastic Cadians came out when I was in High School, I am 33 now. This situation is exacerbated by the fact GW squated all the Regiments with decent sculpts and you can only get them as recasts or 2nd hand. Before GW makes a dozen more special characters in plastic, how about fixing core infantry?
At the end of the day this isn’t a huge deal, as 40k is just a game, but it doesn’t mean that people can’t be upset that GW has been handling the production of 40k in a half decent way. Telling people to they need to chill because they are aren’t happy waiting over a decade for decent models for a core faction of the game is kind of absurd.
Getting mad about a decades old problem that existed from a time before the company turned it's entire structure around and started working with the community is equally absurd. I say chill because it is your only option. Either scream into the void about Marine kits or wait your turn. There are also many other miniature games that can be played too, 40K isn't the only game out there on the market.
All I did mention how baffling it was Guard weren’t getting anything after being neglected for so long. Is it upsetting? Yeah, it is to me. I like Guard, they are the army I played for over a decade. It’s not absurd to be upset about that. GW has had ample opportunity to update the core infantry since they started “working with the community.” I can complain about that and have sent GW a message asking them to update the Guard kits. Their priorities are bizarre. When non-Marines get kits they are often nonsense. Ork players had a huge wishlist of things they wanted and they got.....three different buggy kits? You know what would sell better than Updated Guard? A plastic Fabius Bile or Lilith H? Because I heard people chomping at the bit all the time for those. They don’t work with the community like they say they do.
And yes I am well aware there are games other than 40k, most of them more fun and better designed. I play many of them. But they don’t have the background and lore 40k does, which Is mostly why I play the game.
Wakshaani wrote: Yeah, as much as I'd love some new stuff for my Orks or my bugs, Eldar are in the most need. I mean, Swooping Hawk wings date back to Rogue Trader! They have several models pushing thirty years old at this point.
Like, the Swooping Hawk wings are still in use today and were featured in the '91 catalogue. Those things graduated high school, got their BA, a Masters, a Doctorate, and are now in their second year of residency.
They *really* need an update.
So come on gang, I know we all want to be next, but it's high time we held the door open for grandpa and said, "No, really … after you."
I've been saying for a couple of edition now that GW could easily cover 3-4 Aspects if they simply put Biel-Tan in the starter, but here we are again...
Marines vs eldar would at least be bit different to usual starters but maybe hard to sell to 12yo's it's heroic marines vs evil guys. Eldars don't LOOK all that evil.
Getting mad about a decades old problem that existed from a time before the company turned it's entire structure around and started working with the community is equally absurd. I say chill because it is your only option. Either scream into the void about Marine kits or wait your turn. There are also many other miniature games that can be played too, 40K isn't the only game out there on the market.
New GW is just old GW with PR. So basically same crappy core but new lick of paint over it.
Yes, because Old GW was well known for listening to it's player base, accepting rules feedback, producing models players want, borrowing money from the UK government and playing it back, even though they didn't have to. Paying their employees a living wage too.
I joked with my friends a few weeks ago about how marines might get more new Primaris units than Sisters have units in their codex, in spite of their recent rework.
That's looking like it might become reality at this point. Yikes. All aboard the Primaris release train.
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My point would be that you don't know they're getting nothing. They aren't getting it right this minute, but a lot can change in a year. Like I said, a debate can be had about the merits of what they've chosen to release. The state of the game is 180 degrees from where it was when I left to go to HH in 2015 because 7th drove away most of the player base.
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At the end of the day this isn’t a huge deal, as 40k is just a game, but it doesn’t mean that people can’t be upset that GW has been handling the production of 40k in a half decent way. Telling people to they need to chill because they are aren’t happy waiting over a decade for decent models for a core faction of the game is kind of absurd.
Getting mad about a decades old problem that existed from a time before the company turned it's entire structure around and started working with the community is equally absurd. I say chill because it is your only option. Either scream into the void about Marine kits or wait your turn. There are also many other miniature games that can be played too, 40K isn't the only game out there on the market.
Thank you. I was not aware.
At the same time, GW is making money but through no real virtue of their own. Now, you may say that money making is a virtue, but Aristotle would tell you that you are wrong about that...
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At the end of the day this isn’t a huge deal, as 40k is just a game, but it doesn’t mean that people can’t be upset that GW has been handling the production of 40k in a half decent way. Telling people to they need to chill because they are aren’t happy waiting over a decade for decent models for a core faction of the game is kind of absurd.
Getting mad about a decades old problem that existed from a time before the company turned it's entire structure around and started working with the community is equally absurd. I say chill because it is your only option. Either scream into the void about Marine kits or wait your turn. There are also many other miniature games that can be played too, 40K isn't the only game out there on the market.
Thank you. I was not aware.
At the same time, GW is making money but through no real virtue of their own. Now, you may say that money making is a virtue, but Aristotle would tell you that you are wrong about that...
I'm a helper.
Now, as for news. I did see on one of the blogs "Bell of Lost Revenue" I think, that Marines V Tau is this editions actual starter. Given that Shadowsun just got a new model, what else might the tau need to have updated, before we get into the realm of possible new Tau units? I assume a lot of people still want the kroot models to be fleshed out more? Are there any old cast units that still come in resin or metal?
My point would be that you don't know they're getting nothing. They aren't getting it right this minute, but a lot can change in a year. Like I said, a debate can be had about the merits of what they've chosen to release. The state of the game is 180 degrees from where it was when I left to go to HH in 2015 because 7th drove away most of the player base.
You are right, I don't know. But there is nothing in the rumor mill or any of their previews to indicate otherwise. Under new leadership GW has released no new Guard kits at all (unless you count Black Library characters or Special Release kits), and has gotten rid of all the decent sculpts for Guardsmen from their catalogue. They have removed more kits than they have added. With no rumors or previews indicating otherwise how do I know it won't be another five or ten years before they decide to update the infantry? If they don't get rid of the faction anyways. I would agree that the state of the game is much better than 7th, at least from a gameplay perspective. As someone who has played since 3rd, 7th was easily the worst ruleset and suffered from the most bloat. As far as the company behind the game? I mean they have done some cool stuff with some of their non-core games, and they have certainly improved their reputation by treating their employees better and not trying to take everyone under the sun to court, but I wouldn't say they are really knocking it out of the park.
Yes, because Old GW was well known for listening to it's player base, accepting rules feedback, producing models players want, borrowing money from the UK government and playing it back, even though they didn't have to. Paying their employees a living wage too.
Yup, totally the same company.
back in the old days where player feedback and rule suggestions were printed in the White Dwarf, rules with no models were made with the explicit comment that this option is meant for conversions etc
yes, we are more or less finally reaching the point again GW was 20 years ago
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
My point would be that you don't know they're getting nothing. They aren't getting it right this minute, but a lot can change in a year. Like I said, a debate can be had about the merits of what they've chosen to release. The state of the game is 180 degrees from where it was when I left to go to HH in 2015 because 7th drove away most of the player base.
You are right, I don't know. But there is nothing in the rumor mill or any of their previews to indicate otherwise. Under new leadership GW has released no new Guard kits at all (unless you count Black Library characters or Special Release kits), and has gotten rid of all the decent sculpts for Guardsmen from their catalogue. They have removed more kits than they have added. With no rumors or previews indicating otherwise how do I know it won't be another five or ten years before they decide to update the infantry? If they don't get rid of the faction anyways. I would agree that the state of the game is much better than 7th, at least from a gameplay perspective. As someone who has played since 3rd, 7th was easily the worst ruleset and suffered from the most bloat. As far as the company behind the game? I mean they have done some cool stuff with some of their non-core games, and they have certainly improved their reputation by treating their employees better and not trying to take everyone under the sun to court, but I wouldn't say they are really knocking it out of the park.
No new guard kits?
Really, because I recently picked up two brand new Catachan kits, one awesome looking Sargent and one really cool chainsword/bolter lady. Both came out within the last year ....
Now, that aside. You're right, so far there isn't anything in the pipe in terms or rumor pictures. So what? We have no idea how delayed anything is due to Covid now. I suspect Indomitus was originally supposed to have been unveiled at Adeptacon, but we didn't find out about it until what, May? I think?
I would guess that once we get past the marine and necron codexes, you'll see a shift back to non-marine releases for a while. Likely, Orks, Eldar or Guard are in that line up. I just can't say which/when/what.
Again, I get your frustration. There is a reason I too haven't bought a guard army (I want Steel Legion and don't want to pay for those awful metal ones) and I also want a nice Eldar Army someday. But for now I am doing the onlything I can do, waiting. And it's going to happen, sooner or later.
I've heard from a number of people that in recent years (like the last 2-3) the management put a new "20 year policy" on models. Basically once a kit hits that 20 year birthday, they begin the process of phasing it out in favor of a replacement, or upgrade. It makes a lot of sense considering a lot of what has been updated in recent years. Heck, I remember my FLGS trying to sell me the old Calgar in 2000. So I get ya. It's just going to take time. Send them a friendly note, email, saying 'I'd love to see more Xenos support." I've done that twice now myself, and I bet every nice note helps.
Yes, because Old GW was well known for listening to it's player base, accepting rules feedback, producing models players want, borrowing money from the UK government and playing it back, even though they didn't have to. Paying their employees a living wage too.
Yup, totally the same company.
They make APPEARANCE of listening player base but in reality they still aren't interested in making good rules or balance. And as for borrowing and paying back...a) borrowing is by definition to be paid back b) GW has made always sure they don't HAVE loans. That's part of their strategy. So yes. Same company. GW hates having loans. They don't take them. That's been their modus operandi for about 30 years or so.
So yes. Same company. Still making bad rules and not interested in balance because deliberate changing inbalance sells more. Just because they make appearance of listening and put in paint video's and joke cartoons doesn't make it new company. Just old company with coat of paint.
Yes, because Old GW was well known for listening to it's player base, accepting rules feedback, producing models players want, borrowing money from the UK government and playing it back, even though they didn't have to. Paying their employees a living wage too.
Yup, totally the same company.
They make APPEARANCE of listening player base but in reality they still aren't interested in making good rules or balance. And as for borrowing and paying back...a) borrowing is by definition to be paid back b) GW has made always sure they don't HAVE loans. That's part of their strategy. So yes. Same company. GW hates having loans. They don't take them. That's been their modus operandi for about 30 years or so.
So yes. Same company. Still making bad rules and not interested in balance because deliberate changing inbalance sells more. Just because they make appearance of listening and put in paint video's and joke cartoons doesn't make it new company. Just old company with coat of paint.
Thank you for proving my point.
No sir. The government loans SPECIFIED that they did not have to paid back. It was free money given to corporations to help them pay their employees. To my current knowledge, GW is the ONLY company to have paid the loan money back once they were open and selling again.
8th edition was pretty well balanced, and extremely fun. We saw dozens of lists come and go, and lots of factions in the top 10 at major us/eu events that hadn't seen the light of day in years. I think 8th was awesome, and it sold very well indicating that the community agrees. With 9th being released, we see more of the same, rules expanded based on community feedback.
You seem bitter, perhaps a different hobby game is in order if you don't like them as much as you seem to indicate with your responses.
My point would be that you don't know they're getting nothing. They aren't getting it right this minute, but a lot can change in a year. Like I said, a debate can be had about the merits of what they've chosen to release. The state of the game is 180 degrees from where it was when I left to go to HH in 2015 because 7th drove away most of the player base.
You are right, I don't know. But there is nothing in the rumor mill or any of their previews to indicate otherwise. Under new leadership GW has released no new Guard kits at all (unless you count Black Library characters or Special Release kits), and has gotten rid of all the decent sculpts for Guardsmen from their catalogue. They have removed more kits than they have added. With no rumors or previews indicating otherwise how do I know it won't be another five or ten years before they decide to update the infantry? If they don't get rid of the faction anyways. I would agree that the state of the game is much better than 7th, at least from a gameplay perspective. As someone who has played since 3rd, 7th was easily the worst ruleset and suffered from the most bloat. As far as the company behind the game? I mean they have done some cool stuff with some of their non-core games, and they have certainly improved their reputation by treating their employees better and not trying to take everyone under the sun to court, but I wouldn't say they are really knocking it out of the park.
No new guard kits?
Really, because I recently picked up two brand new Catachan kits, one awesome looking Sargent and one really cool chainsword/bolter lady. Both came out within the last year ....
Now, that aside. You're right, so far there isn't anything in the pipe in terms or rumor pictures. So what? We have no idea how delayed anything is due to Covid now. I suspect Indomitus was originally supposed to have been unveiled at Adeptacon, but we didn't find out about it until what, May? I think?
I would guess that once we get past the marine and necron codexes, you'll see a shift back to non-marine releases for a while. Likely, Orks, Eldar or Guard are in that line up. I just can't say which/when/what.
Again, I get your frustration. There is a reason I too haven't bought a guard army (I want Steel Legion and don't want to pay for those awful metal ones) and I also want a nice Eldar Army someday. But for now I am doing the onlything I can do, waiting. And it's going to happen, sooner or later.
I've heard from a number of people that in recent years (like the last 2-3) the management put a new "20 year policy" on models. Basically once a kit hits that 20 year birthday, they begin the process of phasing it out in favor of a replacement, or upgrade. It makes a lot of sense considering a lot of what has been updated in recent years. Heck, I remember my FLGS trying to sell me the old Calgar in 2000. So I get ya. It's just going to take time. Send them a friendly note, email, saying 'I'd love to see more Xenos support." I've done that twice now myself, and I bet every nice note helps.
I did mention not counting special releases (both those kits are limited releases) to be fair, but under new leadership those two kits and the BL female Commissar kits are all Guard have gotten. I do also imagine after Marines and Necrons are done being release we will get some new stuff also, but it appears from the rumors to be more Death Guard (who have a range far bigger than is necessary already), and a couple plastic characters, along with maybe a new Ork kit.
I'm hoping you are right on that 20 year policy. Because both the core Guard kits need a major rework and are either almost that old or older. Or even plastic Steel Legion, Vostroyans, etc. Just something so Guard players don't have to play with terrible looking infantry (Scion kit withstanding, but they are their own deal). It would be a very small investment (in GWs scale) as one or two kits could do make the whole range modern.
Personally I love the Cadian range, but I have been collecting them since they released. I guess they are showing their age. I could see myself getting another platoon of new models if they made decent ones.
There are rumours that Guard are going to get new models at some point. I know, because I have been trying to start/spread them. Mainly because the 9th trailer had Guardsmen in it, and they stated that everything in the trailer was getting models (paraphrasing). The Cadians in the trailer do look slightly different from the current models too.
Sabotage! wrote: It would be a very small investment (in GWs scale) as one or two kits could do make the whole range modern.
Redoing Cadians would be a decent investment. It wouldn't break the bank, but I think it would be more than "very small".
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Trickstick wrote: Personally I love the Cadian range, but I have been collecting them since they released. I guess they are showing their age. I could see myself getting another platoon of new models if they made decent ones.
There are rumours that Guard are going to get new models at some point. I know, because I have been trying to start/spread them. Mainly because the 9th trailer had Guardsmen in it, and they stated that everything in the trailer was getting models (paraphrasing). The Cadians in the trailer do look slightly different from the current models too.
Sabotage! wrote: It would be a very small investment (in GWs scale) as one or two kits could do make the whole range modern.
Redoing Cadians would be a decent investment. It wouldn't break the bank, but I think it would be more than "very small".
In GW Terms? That’s a very small investment, a single plastic kit. Near the same cost for them to produce as a Warcry warband, or two Shadespire warbands, with a much bigger return on investment.
It would have to be at least 3 kits: infantry, command, heavy. Plus there are lots of random Guardsmen in other kits, like tank commanders and such, but I would assume they would not update them.
A kit takes a decent investment in time and manpower. Personally, I would describe single character kits as "very small", with a 3 kit range creeping up into the "small to medium" area.
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Yes, because Old GW was well known for listening to it's player base, accepting rules feedback, producing models players want, borrowing money from the UK government and playing it back, even though they didn't have to. Paying their employees a living wage too.
Yup, totally the same company.
They make APPEARANCE of listening player base but in reality they still aren't interested in making good rules or balance. And as for borrowing and paying back...a) borrowing is by definition to be paid back b) GW has made always sure they don't HAVE loans. That's part of their strategy. So yes. Same company. GW hates having loans. They don't take them. That's been their modus operandi for about 30 years or so.
So yes. Same company. Still making bad rules and not interested in balance because deliberate changing inbalance sells more. Just because they make appearance of listening and put in paint video's and joke cartoons doesn't make it new company. Just old company with coat of paint.
Thank you for proving my point.
No sir. The government loans SPECIFIED that they did not have to paid back. It was free money given to corporations to help them pay their employees. To my current knowledge, GW is the ONLY company to have paid the loan money back once they were open and selling again.
8th edition was pretty well balanced, and extremely fun. We saw dozens of lists come and go, and lots of factions in the top 10 at major us/eu events that hadn't seen the light of day in years. I think 8th was awesome, and it sold very well indicating that the community agrees. With 9th being released, we see more of the same, rules expanded based on community feedback.
You seem bitter, perhaps a different hobby game is in order if you don't like them as much as you seem to indicate with your responses.
Trickstick wrote: It would have to be at least 3 kits: infantry, command, heavy. Plus there are lots of random Guardsmen in other kits, like tank commanders and such, but I would assume they would not update them.
A kit takes a decent investment in time and manpower. Personally, I would describe single character kits as "very small", with a 3 kit range creeping up into the "small to medium" area.
erm, no, the differences once you have the core file for a unit, are quite small, what will take more time is the allocation on sprues which is where the actual work starts..
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Knowing GW they wouldn't just give you infantry and heavy weapons squads, you'd also get Machete wielding CC catachans, catachan devil riders and a catachan devil hunter character. And a boat with a lot of guns. And a helicopter. And a Codex Catachans that's somehow connected to Astra Militarum and shares units but is worded in a clumsy way.
All I did mention how baffling it was Guard weren’t getting anything after being neglected for so long. Is it upsetting? Yeah, it is to me. I like Guard, they are the army I played for over a decade. It’s not absurd to be upset about that. GW has had ample opportunity to update the core infantry since they started “working with the community.” I can complain about that and have sent GW a message asking them to update the Guard kits. Their priorities are bizarre. When non-Marines get kits they are often nonsense. Ork players had a huge wishlist of things they wanted and they got.....three different buggy kits? You know what would sell better than Updated Guard? A plastic Fabius Bile or Lilith H? Because I heard people chomping at the bit all the time for those. They don’t work with the community like they say they do.
And yes I am well aware there are games other than 40k, most of them more fun and better designed. I play many of them. But they don’t have the background and lore 40k does, which Is mostly why I play the game.
1 glance at their financials tells you that their choices and priorities are not bizarre in the least, seeing as they're making money hand over fist ATM. You may not like their choices and i get that, but they're CLEARLY working well for the business.
My personal gut feeling is that guard aren't featured in this upcoming mini-wave is they may get a big splash release soon after.
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Sgt. Cortez wrote: Knowing GW they wouldn't just give you infantry and heavy weapons squads, you'd also get Machete wielding CC catachans, catachan devil riders and a catachan devil hunter character. And a boat with a lot of guns. And a helicopter. And a Codex Catachans that's somehow connected to Astra Militarum and shares units but is worded in a clumsy way.
OK that sounds awesome
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Lol, I can imagine the fun of being on a ship when they thought it was a good idea to crate up some Catachan Devils for transport. I know Guard are regarded as having a short life expectency, but at least let them get to the warzone.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: I joked with my friends a few weeks ago about how marines might get more new Primaris units than Sisters have units in their codex, in spite of their recent rework.
That's looking like it might become reality at this point. Yikes.
All aboard the Primaris release train.
There are AoS armies that have fewer total model kits than just the new stuff Primaris get in Indomitus
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
Danny76 wrote: Also.
What characters are revealed in that video for other factions.
Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill.
Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
They can't just snap their fingers and make 100 kits across 29 factions appear in 1 year.
I keep saying this, but it bears it again. People. Need. To. CHILL. Models will come, when they come.
We already saw a huge non marine release of both Sisters and (Necrons incoming) this year and we now see Dark Eldar, and Ork models in the pipe. Guard will likely be up in the near future, depending on which is more important, orks, Tyranids, and Eldar are all probably more badly inneed of models than Guard, and that's coming from a guy who has a jar stuffed with cash in the closet for when/if Armageddon Steel Legion plastic models ever come out.
I mean their production schedule would be a lot more conducive towards modernizing the whole range if they would just quit releasing primaricrap... or cut those releases until everyone else is up to speed. I got a lot of my wish listing done as a CSM player for models but outside Dark Eldar (besides their hq’s... I feel for them) Xenos armies are sorely lacking in the models department. Space marine sculpts were good for a good long while.
The Primaris range is the new marine range, their flagship range. Of course they're going to work on getting it out. I get that there are a lot of people who don't like it, and the choice to do it can be argued, but it is the reality. Indomitus made my struggling local FGS a gak ton of money, enough that he's no longer having to consider shutting down. Almost everyone bought the box for the marines. Marines sell. Tyranids don't. That's why the wait on some of these other armies.
Also, Ad Mech just got a line update, the entire sisters range and Chaos marine range was redone, Orks got some new buggies and a new Ghaz, Xenos just got a massive release of Newcrons, GSC was just a year and a half ago, and there were new eldar models in November. Now we're getting new Marine stuff for a line that is still developing. I don't think all the angst is really justified.
Danny76 wrote: Also.
What characters are revealed in that video for other factions.
Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill.
Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
They can't just snap their fingers and make 100 kits across 29 factions appear in 1 year.
I keep saying this, but it bears it again. People. Need. To. CHILL. Models will come, when they come.
We already saw a huge non marine release of both Sisters and (Necrons incoming) this year and we now see Dark Eldar, and Ork models in the pipe. Guard will likely be up in the near future, depending on which is more important, orks, Tyranids, and Eldar are all probably more badly inneed of models than Guard, and that's coming from a guy who has a jar stuffed with cash in the closet for when/if Armageddon Steel Legion plastic models ever come out.
You’re right. All they need to do is cut two Space Marine kits from the release schedule and do two Guard kits. Guard would sell so much better if the core of a Guard Army.....the bloody Guardsmen looked half decent. The Gaunt, Boy, and even the Guardian kits hold up much better than the Cadians.....and are are leagues apart from the Catachans. You say one year, but I shouldn’t need to remind you that the plastic Cadians are 17 years old and the plastic Catachans are 21. They are the worst two plastic infantry kits in the 40k range. The plastic Cadians came out when I was in High School, I am 33 now. This situation is exacerbated by the fact GW squated all the Regiments with decent sculpts and you can only get them as recasts or 2nd hand. Before GW makes a dozen more special characters in plastic, how about fixing core infantry?
At the end of the day this isn’t a huge deal, as 40k is just a game, but it doesn’t mean that people can’t be upset that GW has been handling the production of 40k in a half decent way. Telling people to they need to chill because they are aren’t happy waiting over a decade for decent models for a core faction of the game is kind of absurd.
Getting mad about a decades old problem that existed from a time before the company turned it's entire structure around and started working with the community is equally absurd. I say chill because it is your only option. Either scream into the void about Marine kits or wait your turn. There are also many other miniature games that can be played too, 40K isn't the only game out there on the market.
All I did mention how baffling it was Guard weren’t getting anything after being neglected for so long. Is it upsetting? Yeah, it is to me. I like Guard, they are the army I played for over a decade. It’s not absurd to be upset about that. GW has had ample opportunity to update the core infantry since they started “working with the community.” I can complain about that and have sent GW a message asking them to update the Guard kits. Their priorities are bizarre. When non-Marines get kits they are often nonsense. Ork players had a huge wishlist of things they wanted and they got.....three different buggy kits? You know what would sell better than Updated Guard? A plastic Fabius Bile or Lilith H? Because I heard people chomping at the bit all the time for those. They don’t work with the community like they say they do.
And yes I am well aware there are games other than 40k, most of them more fun and better designed. I play many of them. But they don’t have the background and lore 40k does, which Is mostly why I play the game.
You're listing characters they're replacing due to finecast as a slight against guard, 18 year old plastics are better and more use than anything in finecast.
I saw a comment (might not have been yourself) about the DG range being bigger than it needs to be. Some of their units can't be purchased any more and guards range is far larger, DG might be newer but need more work.
I'd also say be careful what you wish for, a 10 model regiment box of near monopose for £30-35 might well kill off a horde faction.
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Danny76 wrote: Also.
What characters are revealed in that video for other factions.
Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill.
Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
They can't just snap their fingers and make 100 kits across 29 factions appear in 1 year.
I keep saying this, but it bears it again. People. Need. To. CHILL. Models will come, when they come.
We already saw a huge non marine release of both Sisters and (Necrons incoming) this year and we now see Dark Eldar, and Ork models in the pipe. Guard will likely be up in the near future, depending on which is more important, orks, Tyranids, and Eldar are all probably more badly inneed of models than Guard, and that's coming from a guy who has a jar stuffed with cash in the closet for when/if Armageddon Steel Legion plastic models ever come out.
I mean their production schedule would be a lot more conducive towards modernizing the whole range if they would just quit releasing primaricrap... or cut those releases until everyone else is up to speed. I got a lot of my wish listing done as a CSM player for models but outside Dark Eldar (besides their hq’s... I feel for them) Xenos armies are sorely lacking in the models department. Space marine sculpts were good for a good long while.
The Primaris range is the new marine range, their flagship range. Of course they're going to work on getting it out. I get that there are a lot of people who don't like it, and the choice to do it can be argued, but it is the reality. Indomitus made my struggling local FGS a gak ton of money, enough that he's no longer having to consider shutting down. Almost everyone bought the box for the marines. Marines sell. Tyranids don't. That's why the wait on some of these other armies.
Also, Ad Mech just got a line update, the entire sisters range and Chaos marine range was redone, Orks got some new buggies and a new Ghaz, Xenos just got a massive release of Newcrons, GSC was just a year and a half ago, and there were new eldar models in November. Now we're getting new Marine stuff for a line that is still developing. I don't think all the angst is really justified.
Danny76 wrote: Also.
What characters are revealed in that video for other factions.
Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill.
Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
They can't just snap their fingers and make 100 kits across 29 factions appear in 1 year.
I keep saying this, but it bears it again. People. Need. To. CHILL. Models will come, when they come.
We already saw a huge non marine release of both Sisters and (Necrons incoming) this year and we now see Dark Eldar, and Ork models in the pipe. Guard will likely be up in the near future, depending on which is more important, orks, Tyranids, and Eldar are all probably more badly inneed of models than Guard, and that's coming from a guy who has a jar stuffed with cash in the closet for when/if Armageddon Steel Legion plastic models ever come out.
You’re right. All they need to do is cut two Space Marine kits from the release schedule and do two Guard kits. Guard would sell so much better if the core of a Guard Army.....the bloody Guardsmen looked half decent. The Gaunt, Boy, and even the Guardian kits hold up much better than the Cadians.....and are are leagues apart from the Catachans. You say one year, but I shouldn’t need to remind you that the plastic Cadians are 17 years old and the plastic Catachans are 21. They are the worst two plastic infantry kits in the 40k range. The plastic Cadians came out when I was in High School, I am 33 now. This situation is exacerbated by the fact GW squated all the Regiments with decent sculpts and you can only get them as recasts or 2nd hand. Before GW makes a dozen more special characters in plastic, how about fixing core infantry?
At the end of the day this isn’t a huge deal, as 40k is just a game, but it doesn’t mean that people can’t be upset that GW has been handling the production of 40k in a half decent way. Telling people to they need to chill because they are aren’t happy waiting over a decade for decent models for a core faction of the game is kind of absurd.
Getting mad about a decades old problem that existed from a time before the company turned it's entire structure around and started working with the community is equally absurd. I say chill because it is your only option. Either scream into the void about Marine kits or wait your turn. There are also many other miniature games that can be played too, 40K isn't the only game out there on the market.
All I did mention how baffling it was Guard weren’t getting anything after being neglected for so long. Is it upsetting? Yeah, it is to me. I like Guard, they are the army I played for over a decade. It’s not absurd to be upset about that. GW has had ample opportunity to update the core infantry since they started “working with the community.” I can complain about that and have sent GW a message asking them to update the Guard kits. Their priorities are bizarre. When non-Marines get kits they are often nonsense. Ork players had a huge wishlist of things they wanted and they got.....three different buggy kits? You know what would sell better than Updated Guard? A plastic Fabius Bile or Lilith H? Because I heard people chomping at the bit all the time for those. They don’t work with the community like they say they do.
And yes I am well aware there are games other than 40k, most of them more fun and better designed. I play many of them. But they don’t have the background and lore 40k does, which Is mostly why I play the game.
You're listing characters they're replacing due to finecast as a slight against guard, 18 year old plastics are better and more use than anything in finecast.
I saw a comment (might not have been yourself) about the DG range being bigger than it needs to be. Some of their units can't be purchased any more and guards range is far larger, DG might be newer but need more work.
I'd also say be careful what you wish for, a 10 model regiment box of near monopose for £30-35 might well kill off a horde faction.
Replacing finecast characters that hardly anyone was using as opposed to replacing the core unit of an army is silly. How many Fabius Biles does a player need? I bet a new Guard box would sell exponentially better than the new Fabius Bile kit.
Yes, I did mention that the DG range is bigger than it needed to be. Look at it, it is gigantic for what accounts to a Traitor Legion. Until 8th edition they were literally just a Traitor Legion, one that specialized in Plague Marines. To make Death Guard a thing all that needed to happen was 1-2 character, some new plague marines, a box of plague walkers, and a box of unique terminators. They have more unique units in their army then every other traitor legion combined. And yes the AM range is larger, as it should be, it is the largest Imperial Faction in the game, and is a truly unique faction, as opposed to a marine sub-faction. The faction I play now is Iron Warriors, and from a fluff and background perspective they have just as many unique units as the Death Guard, but they don’t have 40 listings on the online store (and don’t need them because that’s silly).
As far as the price? Yeah new Guard would be expensive, but at least you’d be getting quality models. 35 USD for 10 Cadians of markedly poor sculpt is embarrassing. Neophytes are 5 USD more and a beautiful kit with a ton of options.
Also to the comment that GW is making money hand over fist so they are clearly making good decisions etc. Sure. But they could make even more if they made better decisions.
Sabotage! wrote: Replacing finecast characters that hardly anyone was using as opposed to replacing the core unit of an army is silly. How many Fabius Biles does a player need? I bet a new Guard box would sell exponentially better than the new Fabius Bile kit.
The amount of work it takes to produce a 10 man troop kit is far larger than a single character model. Plus you have to think about capacity. Moulding machines are not just sitting around doing nothing, waiting for new Guard models. Planning is a complicated process that can take a whole department by itself.
Sabotage! wrote: Replacing finecast characters that hardly anyone was using as opposed to replacing the core unit of an army is silly. How many Fabius Biles does a player need? I bet a new Guard box would sell exponentially better than the new Fabius Bile kit.
It's not silly, it's a relatively small investment and meets the strategic goal of shutting down finecast production entirely, which is a big cost saver. Bluntly, the Cadian box still sells very well and is now almost entirely profit, so there is very little business need to replace it imminently.
It's likely that it will need a recut at some point, so any redesign would be done then for economic reasons.
Now, as for news. I did see on one of the blogs "Bell of Lost Revenue" I think, that Marines V Tau is this editions actual starter. Given that Shadowsun just got a new model, what else might the tau need to have updated, before we get into the realm of possible new Tau units? I assume a lot of people still want the kroot models to be fleshed out more? Are there any old cast units that still come in resin or metal?
Farsight, Aun'Va, Aun'Shi, non-hoverboard Ethereal, Darkstrider, Longstrike, Vespid, Kroot Shapers, Kroot Hounds and Krootox, Sniper Drones and Firesight Marksmen are all Finecast.
Honestly, if it's Marines v Tau as this edition's actual starter? I'm expecting it to be more about bringing in easy to build kits for the Tau than anything else.
