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For some reason heavy intercessors sound like better armored than armed to me. We know guilliman has been reusing some heresy era ideas for units. Maybe they are a new version of the breacher squads, with some sort of combat shield and carbine? Would make more sense than a devastator type unit, since hellblasters are heavy support.
Danny76 wrote: Also.
What characters are revealed in that video for other factions.
Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill.
Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
Sabotage! wrote: It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
I just have this feeling that the next big Guard release will be a re-do of the Catachans. They have to get these guys out of circulation.
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Because they don't want people making armies where the majority of the troops are scouts. They want loyalist armies to have full fledged power armoured space marines as troops. The phobos troops already fill the role of scouts in the troops slot.
Gw apparently doesn't want loyalists armies to consist of high numbers of scouts any more than they want csm armies to consist of high numbers of cultists, or ork armies to consist of high numbers of grots.
Yea, it still feels like post-hoc rationalization to me, but I don't have any suggestions myself. *shrug*
2020/07/27 03:35:30
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
Because they don't want people making armies where the majority of the troops are scouts. They want loyalist armies to have full fledged power armoured space marines as troops. The phobos troops already fill the role of scouts in the troops slot.
Gw apparently doesn't want loyalists armies to consist of high numbers of scouts any more than they want csm armies to consist of high numbers of cultists, or ork armies to consist of high numbers of grots.
Yea, it still feels like post-hoc rationalization to me, but I don't have any suggestions myself. *shrug*
Well, it was one of the rationalizations about the prices for grots and cultists vs guardsmen, so it seems to fit here as well. I can't think of anything else. Maybe gw doesn't want a troops choice that can take sniper rifles? Sorry, all I got.
2020/07/27 03:54:07
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
Well, it was one of the rationalizations about the prices for grots and cultists vs guardsmen, so it seems to fit here as well. I can't think of anything else. Maybe gw doesn't want a troops choice that can take sniper rifles? Sorry, all I got.
Chaff troops are legitimately cheap units capable of swamping the table. Scouts are pretty far from that. I likewise can't think of anything they break that isn't a role filled by other units.
Scouts allowed some people to keep playing space marines without having to buy primaris troops.
Moving scouts to elites means you can't do that. I mean in theory you can do it with tacs, but tacs are terrible, and are specifically pointed to be useless in 9th.
If it wasn't already clear to everybody, they really, really want you to replace your oldmarine army with a new primaris army.
Sabotage! wrote: It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
I just have this feeling that the next big Guard release will be a re-do of the Catachans. They have to get these guys out of circulation.
Yeah, that kit is horrid.....and that’s the GW studio image. And the special release Catachan Officer looked awesome. Definitely have some potential there. They could easily redo Catachans and Cadians in one wave. 1 kit for Catachans, 1 for Cadians, sculpted to the quality of the command squads. That’s all they really need to do. If they want to be generous they can redo the heavy weapon kits. The vehicles are fine. Or even just release a new regiment in plastic with a squad and heavy weapon box.
2020/07/27 04:14:23
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
Well, it was one of the rationalizations about the prices for grots and cultists vs guardsmen, so it seems to fit here as well. I can't think of anything else. Maybe gw doesn't want a troops choice that can take sniper rifles? Sorry, all I got.
Chaff troops are legitimately cheap units capable of swamping the table. Scouts are pretty far from that. I likewise can't think of anything they break that isn't a role filled by other units.
Which is why the "fluff" explanation is all I can come up with.
yukishiro1 wrote: Scouts allowed some people to keep playing space marines without having to buy primaris troops.
Moving scouts to elites means you can't do that. I mean in theory you can do it with tacs, but tacs are terrible, and are specifically pointed to be useless in 9th.
If it wasn't already clear to everybody, they really, really want you to replace your oldmarine army with a new primaris army.
I know you're eager to push a narrative, but uuhh, in what way are scouts are better than tacs in 9th?
yukishiro1 wrote: Scouts allowed some people to keep playing space marines without having to buy primaris troops.
Moving scouts to elites means you can't do that. I mean in theory you can do it with tacs, but tacs are terrible, and are specifically pointed to be useless in 9th.
If it wasn't already clear to everybody, they really, really want you to replace your oldmarine army with a new primaris army.
I know you're eager to push a narrative, but uuhh, in what way are scouts are better than tacs in 9th?
They're not taking up a troop slot apparently better given to Intercessors for one, and they have MUCH better deployment options, oh and they get a bunch of different options that actually work depending on how you might want to deploy a particular squad.
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jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
yukishiro1 wrote: Scouts allowed some people to keep playing space marines without having to buy primaris troops.
Moving scouts to elites means you can't do that. I mean in theory you can do it with tacs, but tacs are terrible, and are specifically pointed to be useless in 9th.
If it wasn't already clear to everybody, they really, really want you to replace your oldmarine army with a new primaris army.
Dunno. My Wolf Scouts were always elite. Makes sense to bring all the non-Codex-Leman-Russ'es-conforming chapters in line!!
All the other models seem to be lieutenant-level HQ choices, it's probably the same for the Orks. Maybe a kind of new Big Boss Nob if this is the one with the killsaw from the rumor engine? He doesn't look big enough to be a Warboss, and not weird enough for a Mek or a Wierdboy (although we could use a plastic model for that).
New boyz and we would get pleasure of paying 35-40 pounds for 10 monopose orks. If rules aremt enough to kill ork boyz money would
yukishiro1 wrote: Scouts allowed some people to keep playing space marines without having to buy primaris troops.
Moving scouts to elites means you can't do that. I mean in theory you can do it with tacs, but tacs are terrible, and are specifically pointed to be useless in 9th.
If it wasn't already clear to everybody, they really, really want you to replace your oldmarine army with a new primaris army.
Dunno. My Wolf Scouts were always elite. Makes sense to bring all the non-Codex-Leman-Russ'es-conforming chapters in line!!
Wait chaos space marine squads are 1ppm cheaper than tacs and have way crappier rules. What the heck are we supposed to use for viable troops if we are tied to a gakky space marine troop unit? Cultists are in an even worse spot... I hate being collateral damage so GW can ram primaricrap down space marine throats...
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Looks like the hood of gravis. We know there is a heavy bolt rifle thanks to the new gravis captain carrying a master crafted one. Probably an alternate build to the eradicators to carry them instead of meltas.
h.
Did I miss something? New Gravis armor captain??? Where is this?
We're also getting something called "Heavy Intercessors" which appear to be gravis troops, I've also seen picks of something that looks like a Skorpehk Cryptek. So it seems there are still a lot of models yet unveiled. Not to mention something from Marine Codex 2 called "Hellfuries"
All the other models seem to be lieutenant-level HQ choices, it's probably the same for the Orks. Maybe a kind of new Big Boss Nob if this is the one with the killsaw from the rumor engine? He doesn't look big enough to be a Warboss, and not weird enough for a Mek or a Wierdboy (although we could use a plastic model for that).
New boyz and we would get pleasure of paying 35-40 pounds for 10 monopose orks. If rules aremt enough to kill ork boyz money would
So true. I for one love the current ork boyz kit.
And mostly does not like the latest ork (or their AoS orruk) designs.
"New" boyz based on the orruk style could be the nail in the coffin of my (rather large)
ork army...
yukishiro1 wrote: More primaris with bigger guns! Just what the 40k fanbase was calling out for! Inceptors, aggressors, eliminators, suppressors, eradicators, hellblasters - not enough! MOAR DOTS!
Meanwhile we squat These two Lore significant factions representing massive swathes of the Background , because they don't sell, but ignore that the issue for that is the Same desinvestment cycle sob hit and internal politiking.
What was squated? Been a few times I see this but still wonder what got squated?
Renegades and Heretics and Elysians.
And also, while we're at it, the Kharybdis, even though they still sell the model.
This sucked big time both of these armies being very interresting, both fluff and figure wise.
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Danny76 wrote: Also. What characters are revealed in that video for other factions. Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill. Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
They can't just snap their fingers and make 100 kits across 29 factions appear in 1 year.
I keep saying this, but it bears it again. People. Need. To. CHILL. Models will come, when they come.
We already saw a huge non marine release of both Sisters and (Necrons incoming) this year and we now see Dark Eldar, and Ork models in the pipe. Guard will likely be up in the near future, depending on which is more important, orks, Tyranids, and Eldar are all probably more badly inneed of models than Guard, and that's coming from a guy who has a jar stuffed with cash in the closet for when/if Armageddon Steel Legion plastic models ever come out.
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They're not taking up a troop slot apparently better given to Intercessors for one, and they have MUCH better deployment options, oh and they get a bunch of different options that actually work depending on how you might want to deploy a particular squad.
So Incursors at 5 points more than a camo cloak Scout = Incursors are not good even when they have the same deploy and save in cover and are WAY better in melee with the paired blades.
If Tacs are 5 points less than Intercessors why aren't they elite? They have more flexible weapon options by far.
Nids are in decent shape. Only a couple dual kits away from being all plastic and the majority are nice kits
(Gaunts could use a recut)
Eldar needs an overhaul the most. I'd put Guard next as while the Cadians are tolerable it's beyond time for an update. Something more modular to capture their ubiquity would be nice.
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Eldarain wrote: Nids are in decent shape. Only a couple dual kits away from being all plastic and the majority are nice kits
(Gaunts could use a recut)
Eldar needs an overhaul the most. I'd put Guard next as while the Cadians are tolerable it's beyond time for an update. Something more modular to capture their ubiquity would be nice.
Gaunts are pretty bad and need a new kit. I picked up a nid army when 8th dropped and those were by far the worst 40K kits I've ever had to build. 120 of them made me eventually just stop and sell the army to someone else with more patience. Also, they need a Knight equivalent. But, the carnifexes were cool.
Yeah, as much as I'd love some new stuff for my Orks or my bugs, Eldar are in the most need. I mean, Swooping Hawk wings date back to Rogue Trader! They have several models pushing thirty years old at this point.
Like, the Swooping Hawk wings are still in use today and were featured in the '91 catalogue. Those things graduated high school, got their BA, a Masters, a Doctorate, and are now in their second year of residency.
They *really* need an update.
So come on gang, I know we all want to be next, but it's high time we held the door open for grandpa and said, "No, really … after you."
Danny76 wrote: Also.
What characters are revealed in that video for other factions.
Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill.
Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
They can't just snap their fingers and make 100 kits across 29 factions appear in 1 year.
I keep saying this, but it bears it again. People. Need. To. CHILL. Models will come, when they come.
We already saw a huge non marine release of both Sisters and (Necrons incoming) this year and we now see Dark Eldar, and Ork models in the pipe. Guard will likely be up in the near future, depending on which is more important, orks, Tyranids, and Eldar are all probably more badly inneed of models than Guard, and that's coming from a guy who has a jar stuffed with cash in the closet for when/if Armageddon Steel Legion plastic models ever come out.
I mean their production schedule would be a lot more conducive towards modernizing the whole range if they would just quit releasing primaricrap... or cut those releases until everyone else is up to speed. I got a lot of my wish listing done as a CSM player for models but outside Dark Eldar (besides their hq’s... I feel for them) Xenos armies are sorely lacking in the models department. Space marine sculpts were good for a good long while.
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. -Kurt Vonnegut
Wakshaani wrote: Yeah, as much as I'd love some new stuff for my Orks or my bugs, Eldar are in the most need. I mean, Swooping Hawk wings date back to Rogue Trader! They have several models pushing thirty years old at this point.
Like, the Swooping Hawk wings are still in use today and were featured in the '91 catalogue. Those things graduated high school, got their BA, a Masters, a Doctorate, and are now in their second year of residency.
They *really* need an update.
So come on gang, I know we all want to be next, but it's high time we held the door open for grandpa and said, "No, really … after you."
I've been saying for a couple of edition now that GW could easily cover 3-4 Aspects if they simply put Biel-Tan in the starter, but here we are again...
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2020/07/27 07:21:30
Subject: If you don't jump to put jeans on, baby, you don't feel my pain...
Togusa wrote: Gaunts are pretty bad and need a new kit. I picked up a nid army when 8th dropped and those were by far the worst 40K kits I've ever had to build. 120 of them made me eventually just stop and sell the army to someone else with more patience. Also, they need a Knight equivalent. But, the carnifexes were cool.
There's nothing wrong with them aesthetically though. This is why Eldarain's comment about a re-cut is a good idea.
When they redid the Tyranid Warrior sprue not only did they add missing weapons (Lashwhips, properly-scaled Devourers, etc.) and the Tyranid Prime bits, they also made a couple of quality of life changes to the way the models went together (the legs specifically). This meant that whilst the minis were essentially the same they were more "user friendly" to construct, and had all the options.
The same could easily be done for the Gaunt kits. Anyone who's put them together will know the pain of the two-piece heads. They're completely unnecessary with the advances in plastic moulding. They could redo that, and make the H-Gaunts a little more stable on their feet, but otherwise release the same kits, and it'd be great.
Danny76 wrote: Also.
What characters are revealed in that video for other factions.
Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill.
Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
They can't just snap their fingers and make 100 kits across 29 factions appear in 1 year.
I keep saying this, but it bears it again. People. Need. To. CHILL. Models will come, when they come.
We already saw a huge non marine release of both Sisters and (Necrons incoming) this year and we now see Dark Eldar, and Ork models in the pipe. Guard will likely be up in the near future, depending on which is more important, orks, Tyranids, and Eldar are all probably more badly inneed of models than Guard, and that's coming from a guy who has a jar stuffed with cash in the closet for when/if Armageddon Steel Legion plastic models ever come out.
You’re right. All they need to do is cut two Space Marine kits from the release schedule and do two Guard kits. Guard would sell so much better if the core of a Guard Army.....the bloody Guardsmen looked half decent. The Gaunt, Boy, and even the Guardian kits hold up much better than the Cadians.....and are are leagues apart from the Catachans. You say one year, but I shouldn’t need to remind you that the plastic Cadians are 17 years old and the plastic Catachans are 21. They are the worst two plastic infantry kits in the 40k range. The plastic Cadians came out when I was in High School, I am 33 now. This situation is exacerbated by the fact GW squated all the Regiments with decent sculpts and you can only get them as recasts or 2nd hand. Before GW makes a dozen more special characters in plastic, how about fixing core infantry?
At the end of the day this isn’t a huge deal, as 40k is just a game, but it doesn’t mean that people can’t be upset that GW has been handling the production of 40k in a half decent way. Telling people to they need to chill because they are aren’t happy waiting over a decade for decent models for a core faction of the game is kind of absurd.
Danny76 wrote: Also. What characters are revealed in that video for other factions. Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill. Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
They can't just snap their fingers and make 100 kits across 29 factions appear in 1 year.
I keep saying this, but it bears it again. People. Need. To. CHILL. Models will come, when they come.
We already saw a huge non marine release of both Sisters and (Necrons incoming) this year and we now see Dark Eldar, and Ork models in the pipe. Guard will likely be up in the near future, depending on which is more important, orks, Tyranids, and Eldar are all probably more badly inneed of models than Guard, and that's coming from a guy who has a jar stuffed with cash in the closet for when/if Armageddon Steel Legion plastic models ever come out.
I mean their production schedule would be a lot more conducive towards modernizing the whole range if they would just quit releasing primaricrap... or cut those releases until everyone else is up to speed. I got a lot of my wish listing done as a CSM player for models but outside Dark Eldar (besides their hq’s... I feel for them) Xenos armies are sorely lacking in the models department. Space marine sculpts were good for a good long while.
The Primaris range is the new marine range, their flagship range. Of course they're going to work on getting it out. I get that there are a lot of people who don't like it, and the choice to do it can be argued, but it is the reality. Indomitus made my struggling local FGS a gak ton of money, enough that he's no longer having to consider shutting down. Almost everyone bought the box for the marines. Marines sell. Tyranids don't. That's why the wait on some of these other armies.
Also, Ad Mech just got a line update, the entire sisters range and Chaos marine range was redone, Orks got some new buggies and a new Ghaz, Xenos just got a massive release of Newcrons, GSC was just a year and a half ago, and there were new eldar models in November. Now we're getting new Marine stuff for a line that is still developing. I don't think all the angst is really justified.
Danny76 wrote: Also. What characters are revealed in that video for other factions. Sisters, Ad Mech, Orks, Dark Eldar.
All the stuff we have seen in the rumour mill. Just alternate, coloured views.
Yeah, it links up with most of the rumor mill stuff we’ve seen recently.
It kind of baffles me that Guard are yet again getting nothing. The last time they got a non-BL character or special release model was what? Scions and Ogryns in 2013? Also they have possibly the worst plastic core infantry in the game in that they are horribly dated.
They can't just snap their fingers and make 100 kits across 29 factions appear in 1 year.
I keep saying this, but it bears it again. People. Need. To. CHILL. Models will come, when they come.
We already saw a huge non marine release of both Sisters and (Necrons incoming) this year and we now see Dark Eldar, and Ork models in the pipe. Guard will likely be up in the near future, depending on which is more important, orks, Tyranids, and Eldar are all probably more badly inneed of models than Guard, and that's coming from a guy who has a jar stuffed with cash in the closet for when/if Armageddon Steel Legion plastic models ever come out.
You’re right. All they need to do is cut two Space Marine kits from the release schedule and do two Guard kits. Guard would sell so much better if the core of a Guard Army.....the bloody Guardsmen looked half decent. The Gaunt, Boy, and even the Guardian kits hold up much better than the Cadians.....and are are leagues apart from the Catachans. You say one year, but I shouldn’t need to remind you that the plastic Cadians are 17 years old and the plastic Catachans are 21. They are the worst two plastic infantry kits in the 40k range. The plastic Cadians came out when I was in High School, I am 33 now. This situation is exacerbated by the fact GW squated all the Regiments with decent sculpts and you can only get them as recasts or 2nd hand. Before GW makes a dozen more special characters in plastic, how about fixing core infantry?
At the end of the day this isn’t a huge deal, as 40k is just a game, but it doesn’t mean that people can’t be upset that GW has been handling the production of 40k in a half decent way. Telling people to they need to chill because they are aren’t happy waiting over a decade for decent models for a core faction of the game is kind of absurd.
Getting mad about a decades old problem that existed from a time before the company turned it's entire structure around and started working with the community is equally absurd. I say chill because it is your only option. Either scream into the void about Marine kits or wait your turn. There are also many other miniature games that can be played too, 40K isn't the only game out there on the market.
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In the troops slot? I would hope not.
model. 
