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new user and a new player. I've always wanted to play but am only a kid so I couldn't afford it and went over to Warmachine as a substitute. I've been collecting and now have a good-sized ork and marines army.

I was looking on wahapedia due to COVID boredom and ended up on the warlord titan page. yes, I know that especially as a new player, and considering how useless (gameplay-wise) the warlord toddler truly is, that I shouldn't get one. but I am interested in the rules.

it says that it has two carapace weapons, and the whole point of the warlord is it has two warlord weapons and two reaver weapons, it even says in the stat sheet that "it is equipped with two carapace-mounted weapons"... so why do the rules have it so that all of the weapons are the same stats as the reiver weapons even though there are two of them? and why is it that I cant equip one reaver laser blaster on one shoulder and one reaver Gatling blaster on the other or have some other combination? the same question goes for why it's like this in Adeptus titanicus as well.

I assume the reason behind the stats issue is going to be that it's just a stupid rule issue that no one thought of/they thought was too powerful. and i assume that the reason behind not being able to have different weapons is a lore thing... maybe?

does anyone know?

edit I know this is kinda a rules question. but its also a "why is this weird" question so i figured it kinda fits here. again, new user. comment if this was the wrong place to put this so i know for next time.

The carapace weapons being separate was an original AT thing - 30k, 40k and the rebooted AT both have them as a pair (and I think Epic-Armageddon did as well).
From a modelling point of view it means that you don't have upside-down carapace weapons, and IIRC there's a quote from one of the new AT designers saying it was to streamline the rules.

beast_gts wrote:
The carapace weapons being separate was an original AT thing - 30k, 40k and the rebooted AT both have them as a pair (and I think Epic-Armageddon did as well).
From a modelling point of view it means that you don't have upside-down carapace weapons, and IIRC there's a quote from one of the new AT designers saying it was to streamline the rules.

wdym when you say you would have to model the weapon upside down? like, just flipping the reaver weapons upside down and using those?

the general streamlining makes sense but I still wonder why they have it that the two reaver weapons together is the same as one normal arm-mounted reaver weapon of the same type... probably just come down to GW/FW is inconsistent.

 aton wrote:
wdym when you say you would have to model the weapon upside down? like, just flipping the reaver weapons upside down and using those?

The detail of the models has come along way since the original AT, and it's obvious that weapons have a top and a bottom. Look at these Laser Blasters for example -




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 aton wrote:
I still wonder why they have it that the two reaver weapons together is the same as one normal arm-mounted reaver weapon of the same type

They're not the same - in the current AT the Warlord carapace versions have double the number of shots of the Reaver arm ones.

If it’s double in AT then I guess it’s just weird in 40k then...

thanks so much for the responses/info, much appreciated.

Its double because its double the amount of weapons. After some google searching the Reavers Laser Blaster has 3 shots and the Warlords paired Laserblasters has 6 shots. The important word is paired. In Titanicus the weapon for Warlord titan shoulders is basically a identical reaver class weapons.

Think of the Warlord like a battleship with a main battery and a cruiser weight secondary battery. The primary battery are the arm mounts and the secondary battery is the should mounts.

I'm confused by this confusion. A Warlord takes two carapace weapons, which are from the Reaver's weight class. A singular weapon there is the same as the one that Reaver has, but you have two. That's the same difference as you'd have with a 40k tank having either one twin lascannon (2 shots) or two lascannons (1 shot each). Same number of shots, but with multiple weapons you can split their fire.

The situation in AT is a bit different for balance and gameplay reasons, because Warlords are cumbersome and restrictive else their massive firepower would be quite brutal if it was easy to maneuver around.