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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:What's silly about mobile artillery or gun emplacements for the HQ? You're complaining to complain, simple as that.
... am I agreeing with Slayer-Fan? Yes, I am.

It goes back to something I've been calling the opponents of Primaris on for a while - the things that you're seeing AREN'T NEW. They're concepts and ideas that have already long existed in the Space Marine arsenal, and are simply getting a new coat of paint. Some ornate aspects, some clean flat aspects, some tacticool aspects, blocky vehicles, tracks, hovers, static guns, mobile guns, long ranged precision fire, short range melee brutality - Space Marines cover a LOT of design ground.

Bikes having no ground clearance - no different to the existing bikes.
Wasting a Space Marine on the static turret - no different to Thunderfire Cannons and Rapier Batteries.
The ATV being blocky - have you seen the Rhino?

And, before anyone gets any ideas, I'm not even picking these units up! Why? I just don't like bikes, and the static guns don't really interest me, or the theme of my particular army. If you feel like a certain thing doesn't fit your own army, that's totally valid! Just don't turn around and be all "this is totally unlike all Space Marine things ever!" when that's not the case.

Besides, I'm not picking up the ATV, but I'd so much rather have that than the Attack Bike. How anyone can call the ATV goofy but not the literal sidecar eludes me.


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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:What's silly about mobile artillery or gun emplacements for the HQ? You're complaining to complain, simple as that.
... am I agreeing with Slayer-Fan? Yes, I am.

It goes back to something I've been calling the opponents of Primaris on for a while - the things that you're seeing AREN'T NEW. They're concepts and ideas that have already long existed in the Space Marine arsenal, and are simply getting a new coat of paint. Some ornate aspects, some clean flat aspects, some tacticool aspects, blocky vehicles, tracks, hovers, static guns, mobile guns, long ranged precision fire, short range melee brutality - Space Marines cover a LOT of design ground.

Bikes having no ground clearance - no different to the existing bikes.
Wasting a Space Marine on the static turret - no different to Thunderfire Cannons and Rapier Batteries.
The ATV being blocky - have you seen the Rhino?

And, before anyone gets any ideas, I'm not even picking these units up! Why? I just don't like bikes, and the static guns don't really interest me, or the theme of my particular army. If you feel like a certain thing doesn't fit your own army, that's totally valid! Just don't turn around and be all "this is totally unlike all Space Marine things ever!" when that's not the case.

Besides, I'm not picking up the ATV, but I'd so much rather have that than the Attack Bike. How anyone can call the ATV goofy but not the literal sidecar eludes me.

They aren't new coats of paint though. That would require them to be the same thing with a new model rather than making up a new thing that remains silly. It's lazy and half the time just makes the game and background worse because there's been no effort put into it.

Some people seem weirdly opposed to me disliking these.

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It's because the complaints go directly to stuff Manlet Marines stuff but NO complaints there, so the end justification is really just being "I don't like anything new" at this point.

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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:What's silly about mobile artillery or gun emplacements for the HQ? You're complaining to complain, simple as that.
... am I agreeing with Slayer-Fan? Yes, I am.

It goes back to something I've been calling the opponents of Primaris on for a while - the things that you're seeing AREN'T NEW. They're concepts and ideas that have already long existed in the Space Marine arsenal, and are simply getting a new coat of paint. Some ornate aspects, some clean flat aspects, some tacticool aspects, blocky vehicles, tracks, hovers, static guns, mobile guns, long ranged precision fire, short range melee brutality - Space Marines cover a LOT of design ground.

Bikes having no ground clearance - no different to the existing bikes.
Wasting a Space Marine on the static turret - no different to Thunderfire Cannons and Rapier Batteries.
The ATV being blocky - have you seen the Rhino?

And, before anyone gets any ideas, I'm not even picking these units up! Why? I just don't like bikes, and the static guns don't really interest me, or the theme of my particular army. If you feel like a certain thing doesn't fit your own army, that's totally valid! Just don't turn around and be all "this is totally unlike all Space Marine things ever!" when that's not the case.

Besides, I'm not picking up the ATV, but I'd so much rather have that than the Attack Bike. How anyone can call the ATV goofy but not the literal sidecar eludes me.


Haters gonna hate, and complaining about a hobby is half the hobby for some people. Of course that's not limited to 40k, It's been true for every hobby I've participated in. I get it, and I've even been guilty of it myself, but being negative all of the time just seems so low effort and unoriginal.

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I think the gun would make more sense with a servitor attached and not a Techmarine, thrusters and re-entry shielding. I imagine them like the stormbolters or whatever drop pods have inside, just on a smaler scale...with bigger guns. Autonomous weapons you can drop with your drop pod assault for fire support or have scouts call them in if the have to exfiltrate and need cover fire.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It's because the complaints go directly to stuff Manlet Marines stuff but NO complaints there, so the end justification is really just being "I don't like anything new" at this point.

Which doesn't really hold true when I can point at new things released that I do like.

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Primaris quadbike? Wut?

See that stuff above? Completely true. All of it, every single word. Stands to reason. 
   
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Personally, I:

Like the gun turret. The shield and cruciform carraige are reminiscent of a 8.8cm FlaK.

Dislike the ATV. It would be cooler if it actually looked like an ATV. It doesn't look like anything, right now, just a jumble.

Dislike the blade guard & shield captain. To much bling, especially too much non-optional bling. I actually dislike the "gothic gilding" aesthetic, which I also will point out isn't something that was particularly prevalent in the oldmarine line. I prefer the tacticool vanguard and cleaner intercessors that I can decorate myself with chapter-specific bling to the very-much-UM looking overbedecked in greebles bladeguard. Also, i have no real interest in sword/shield marines.

Like the lieutenant, but he's just another lieutenant loadout, so there's nothing good or bad about him.

Dislike the judiciar. He looks really wierd. Don't like the hourglass, don't like the sword, don't like the head, don't like the armor, etc.

Bikes are aesthetically pleasing, but without special weapons and just twin bolt rifles and a chainsword basically they're not really tickling the "I want this in my list" button. Twin BR doesn't cut it for a ranged hunter unit, and chainswords don't cut it for a dedicated melee unit. Maybe a kit will be eventually released that can trade out the chainsword/bolt pistol for maybe plasmaguns or multi-damage melee weapons.

Assault intercessors are seriously meh. Nothing wrong with them aesthetically, but pistol and chainsword footsloggers aren't what I'm looking for.

And given that I completely forgot the gravis melta guys, well, that really says all there is to know what I think about them. Would rather have them with Lascannons or something than meltaguns.


Personally, I'm hoping to see some more tanks. Ideally a tank in the 150-point range.

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Like the new chaplain (mostly- the in and out tabard is a ding)

Even-more-better melta weapons aside, I like the look of the gunners (though why they did duplicate poses for a 3- man unit and only a minor pose change for the third is beyond me)

The new chaos warrior/death wizard is really strange to see here.

The rest are merely passable to outright laughable. (though the most laughable ones are outside the box set- the kart and the techmarine booster chair)
Especially the vehicles and anything with a giant brown rectangle that's supposed to be a holster.

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I'm not a marine player, so not a lot of skin in the game, but I like some Primaris stuff.

I like both the Redemptor Dread and the Invictus. The quad isn't great, but isn't terrible; I think it goes well with the Invictus- together, they kinda look like a small desert recon force.

I don't have any real problems with any of the Infantry- love eliminators and aggressors; I like the chaplains, and I really like some of the characters (Mephiston especially- I'm actually going to paint my Spacehulk BA Terminators so that I can get him and have something to go with him).

I like the bikes. I've not seen a good still of the sidecar bike, so can't judge that.

Personally, what I dislike most in the range are the hover tanks and the jumpy guys (especially the suppressors, though the other guys look almost as bad to me). The hover tank is my least favourite model of the edition, and might almost be my least favourite model in GW history.

   
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Couldn't get through the first page...If y'all hate them so much, just don't buy them. Are you really going to sit around and waste your time bitching about it on a forum and then arguing about why you're OPINION is correct? FFS.

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On the whole i quite like the new models. The Assault Intercessors are what i expected and look pretty cool and the bladeguard look about how i would expect.

I think the bikes look just 'ok' with the main problem imo being how low to the ground they are. I like the scout bikes and FW outrider models better as they look more functional.

The Invader ATV looks weird though, there is no suspension that i can see at the front, and it looks like a cross between a quadbike and go-cart with some silly armour plates on it. the rear suspension reminds me of most of the vehicles from red faction: Guerilla. I imagine the rules will be good, and it will likely be a vehicle so will ignore minus' to hit for moving meaning if its pointed competitively MM's could be an option. However i will likely covert it if i get it, so it looks less absurd. I think GW have missed an opportunity with the invader, FW have already made an ATV that looks awesome in the form of the Elysian Tauros.
   
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Yeah the gun turret looks okay and it makes sense, dedicated one man to a slightly more expensive platform to leverage their position. It provides good frontal protection to the user.

The quad bike on the other hand just seems kind of atrocious.
Sure as others pointed out, the rhino is boxy (it is a metal bawks after all) but its also simple and clean. This thing is busy and boxy in all the wrong ways.

- The armor in the front is non existent, there is that little cross and that's all that's protecting the driver. The gaps to either side just don't make any sense, and make the model look uglier than it has to be IMO.

- The turret would've looked much better as a cupola instead of limiting the arc to the front 90 degrees, Not to mention that the Antennae(?) near the back would constantly be obstructing that already limited traverse. The gunshield does little to protect the gunner and would just obscure his vision.

- Why are the back wheels sporting armor facing towards the vehicle instead of protecting the wheels from getting shot in the back, and why aren't the front wheels armored at all?

I get that people have different taste, but this thing looks like it was trying to hard to be tacticool and forgot to have some semblance to an elite fighting vehicle. If anything it looks more like a Toyota with a mounted 50cal.
   
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Vilehydra wrote:
Yeah the gun turret looks okay and it makes sense, dedicated one man to a slightly more expensive platform to leverage their position. It provides good frontal protection to the user.

The quad bike on the other hand just seems kind of atrocious.
Sure as others pointed out, the rhino is boxy (it is a metal bawks after all) but its also simple and clean. This thing is busy and boxy in all the wrong ways.

- The armor in the front is non existent, there is that little cross and that's all that's protecting the driver. The gaps to either side just don't make any sense, and make the model look uglier than it has to be IMO.

- The turret would've looked much better as a cupola instead of limiting the arc to the front 90 degrees, Not to mention that the Antennae(?) near the back would constantly be obstructing that already limited traverse. The gunshield does little to protect the gunner and would just obscure his vision.

- Why are the back wheels sporting armor facing towards the vehicle instead of protecting the wheels from getting shot in the back, and why aren't the front wheels armored at all?

I get that people have different taste, but this thing looks like it was trying to hard to be tacticool and forgot to have some semblance to an elite fighting vehicle. If anything it looks more like a Toyota with a mounted 50cal.


Antenna aerials tend to be able to bend over.

I think the issue is that it doesn't look visually coherently like anything. If it was supposed to be a tacticool dune buggy, it should have looked like a tacticool dune buggy with like an open frame and roll cage.

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I like the quad. I will definitely be getting one, probably two*
Does it look a bit absurd? Sure. Wich is why I like it. What's that? You say it lacks ground clearance, obvious suspension, etc etc etc? Yeah, and so do virtually all other Imperial vehicles RT - present & it doesn't bother me with them.... Oh no! The armor protection on the front is tiny, how will they ever survive?? Well I'll counter with "What about the SoB Penintant Engine?" That things got its nekkid prisoner pilot strapped across the front - at least this poor Primaris driver is still wearing his armor & enjoying that tiny T shape of armor.

*I definitely see a pair of Orks taking one of these things for a joy ride.


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[ If it was supposed to be a tacticool dune buggy, it should have looked like a tacticool dune buggy with like an open frame and roll cage.


Clearly it's not supposed to look like a tacticool dune buggy.

My first thought when I saw it was of the Tumbler from the Batman movies. (I wonder if it can be modded to launch a bike when destroyed?)
My second thought was that it'd be a great Ork vehicle.
My 3rd thought was "Well there goes $75".

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Voss wrote:
Like the new chaplain (mostly- the in and out tabard is a ding)

Even-more-better melta weapons aside, I like the look of the gunners (though why they did duplicate poses for a 3- man unit and only a minor pose change for the third is beyond me)

The new chaos warrior/death wizard is really strange to see here.

The rest are merely passable to outright laughable. (though the most laughable ones are outside the box set- the kart and the techmarine booster chair)
Especially the vehicles and anything with a giant brown rectangle that's supposed to be a holster.


Re. the duplication. I suspect we will see a duplicate sprue, like in DI. Maybe 2 copies of (Melta guy, Bike, 4 intercessors) With another sprue with the sarges and a spare intercessor to bring the squad to 10. Maybe one of the HQs, depending on space.

Which would then be spun off into a Start Collecting! box in a few months.

The blade guard guys look unique enough I don’t think they are shared like that.

Looking forward to leaked sprue pics. Whenever they drop.

   
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ccs wrote:
I like the quad. I will definitely be getting one, probably two*
Does it look a bit absurd? Sure. Wich is why I like it. What's that? You say it lacks ground clearance, obvious suspension, etc etc etc? Yeah, and so do virtually all other Imperial vehicles RT - present & it doesn't bother me with them.... Oh no! The armor protection on the front is tiny, how will they ever survive?? Well I'll counter with "What about the SoB Penintant Engine?" That things got its nekkid prisoner pilot strapped across the front - at least this poor Primaris driver is still wearing his armor & enjoying that tiny T shape of armor.

*I definitely see a pair of Orks taking one of these things for a joy ride.


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
[ If it was supposed to be a tacticool dune buggy, it should have looked like a tacticool dune buggy with like an open frame and roll cage.


Clearly it's not supposed to look like a tacticool dune buggy.

My first thought when I saw it was of the Tumbler from the Batman movies. (I wonder if it can be modded to launch a bike when destroyed?)
My second thought was that it'd be a great Ork vehicle.
My 3rd thought was "Well there goes $75".


Ah. I've never seen Batman, so I didn't immediately recognize it and just thought it looks like a jumble without real visual definition.

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I really like those gravis melta guys. Gravis armour is great design, but it looks much better without the silly giant mittens the aggressors have. I hope we get more gravis-armoured units. I also hope that the melta lads get decent rules; the melta has been a bit questionable weapon choice for a while.

   
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ccs wrote:

they ever survive?? Well I'll counter with "What about the SoB Penintant Engine?" That things got its nekkid prisoner pilot strapped across the front - at least this poor Primaris driver is still wearing his armor & enjoying that tiny T shape of armor.


The penitent engine is literally for punishment of the pilot. Its in the name, and (at least according to the wiki, so taken with a grain of salt) its reserved for the worst crimes and heresies. Not only do they not care about the pilot, but the pilot is meant to die. The model enforces that ethos. I'm assuming this vehicle isn't some punishment duty for the Primaris.

This vehicle seems like its trying to be a flanker of sorts - (its lightly armed and armored) but many design choices go against that ethos.
If its not trying to be a tacticool dunebuggy - what is it trying to be?
   
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The Mario 40Kart is legitimately hilarious and I want to give them credit for doing it. They've taken the right piss out of Primaris with that, and I, for one, salute them.

The assault intercessors look great if they weren't pushfit single-pose models that just look sad in a squad of 10 where you have repeats. I hope they release a multi-part kit soon so people aren't stuck with those statues.

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 troa wrote:
Couldn't get through the first page...If y'all hate them so much, just don't buy them. Are you really going to sit around and waste your time bitching about it on a forum and then arguing about why you're OPINION is correct? FFS.

If others are having fun, and you can't have fun yourself, then making it so others don't have fun either is something people do all the time.


I wonder how those boxs are going to be split. marines are always popular and people want them. DG was okey for DG and chaos players, at least potentialy. Buying the box, when there is one or no necron players around is going to be harsh on the money.

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If you don't have fun because people on the internet don't share your opinion on the aesthetics of tiny plastic soldiers, a message board may not be the best place for you.

The idea that people aren't having fun with the Mario Kart memes is pretty odd. The whole point is obviously that it is fun.

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The four wheeled thing looks absolutely dreadful, when I look at it I just think of it as an oversized footpedal driven go-kart and the thought of it actually trying to go fast makes me chuckle, frankly.

The worst part about it is that the onslaught cannon neither looks big enough, important enough or elaborate enough to justify it being something that couldn't be carried by a Primaris marine on foot. And the ammunition seems to be stored in a detachable drum magazine with no other visible ammo stowage. So I guess the gunner has a couple seconds worth of ammunition at most and then calls it a day. Brilliant.


The infantry models all look pretty decent. Bikes are surprisingly decent, even putting aside the ground clearance issue, they're pretty standard fare boxy sci-fi bike stuff.

But oh man, whoever is in charge of designing Imperial vehicles at GW really doesn't have a clue. It's been downhill ever since the Taurox released for the Guard years ago. Aside from the Onager Dunecrawler which I quite like everything else pretty much always makes roll my eyes. I don't like the latest Admech grav landboat thing, I don't like the Primaris tanks, and literally the only reason the re-released SoB vehicles are passable is because they're heavily based on the older designs. Even then the old version of the immolator looked better with the bubble turret cockpit over the new tactical stained glass window look.




   
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I don't see the Quad as being anything other than a proud continuation of Space Marine bike/speeder silliness. These models have always been absurd in various ways. Giant tires, no clearance, melee weapons, hilarious chopper-style seating position.
If anything the quad has a lower ridiculousness quotient than the sidecar bike (which is it's clear spiritual ancestor).

I'm annoyed somewhat by the Eradicators. If anyone should have gotten fancy new melta-guns it was the Sisters of Battle.
Also, I just generally find the handle-on-top firing style to be obnoxious nobody ever shoots any gun like that and yet it's all over the place in 40k. How do you shoot it over something?!Hold the guns normally! This is my 40k pet peeve.

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Yeah, I don't think it looks that out of place with the old space marine aesthetic, which always had a certain level of goofiness to it, especially Ultramarines. There's a reason they're called Smurfs.

Some of the humor comes from how out of place it is with the rest of the releases they showed off, though. Lots of grim-dark stuff...and then a Mario 40Kart. It sticks out like a bit of a sore thumb, and that's what's so amusing about it.

   
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Karol wrote:If others are having fun, and you can't have fun yourself, then making it so others don't have fun either is something people do all the time.
That doesn't make it okay, and it's not an excuse.

rbstr wrote:I don't see the Quad as being anything other than a proud continuation of Space Marine bike/speeder silliness. These models have always been absurd in various ways. Giant tires, no clearance, melee weapons, hilarious chopper-style seating position.
If anything the quad has a lower ridiculousness quotient than the sidecar bike (which is it's clear spiritual ancestor).
Yeah, that's how I see it. The Attack Bike has barely any protection, and the way I see it, the power armour is more than enough protection for most things. It's why I quite like the really old fashioned Land Speeder, which is little more than a frame with an engine strapped to it, with the Marines very much exposed.


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I think the quad bike could have been done a bit better but it’s a bit orkish in its idea because it seems so impractical and wild. I think it’s a bit too buggy like. But it’s not too bad. I like the turret.

I will deffo get the new box and start a primaris DA successor chapter. But I won’t get a quad bike
   
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Primaris with sword and shield kinda makes grey knights uniqueness ... not so unique.
Makes me believe a grey knight redesign is not about to happen anytime soon.

Also in general Primaris are basically getting everything every other army has and then some. Meanwhile, said other armies are stuck in their "specialty".

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