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Basically prior to the battle where he got stabbed by the Chaos corrupted weapon, Horus finds out it is a plan by Lorgar to turn himself against the Emperor and cause him to destroy the Emperor's plans. He avoids getting wounded and is aware of how treacherous Lorgar is.

How will this affect the course of the Great Crusade?

I imagine that Lorgar and his legion would at minimum be condemned to censure, if not go the way of the II and XI legions. Better off forgotten, as was the emperor's plan. From there, I imagine that they would be used to set an example and warn against the temptation to stray from the emperor's design.

Tristanleo wrote:
I imagine that Lorgar and his legion would at minimum be condemned to censure, if not go the way of the II and XI legions. Better off forgotten, as was the emperor's plan. From there, I imagine that they would be used to set an example and warn against the temptation to stray from the emperor's design.

I don't disagree, although after Ullanor Horus definitely carries a seed of bitterness about being kept out of the Emperor's plans. Depending on how long he's been brooding, he might be willing to hear Lorgar out - and Lorgar can be very persuasive.

 Don Qui Hotep wrote:

Tristanleo wrote:
I imagine that Lorgar and his legion would at minimum be condemned to censure, if not go the way of the II and XI legions. Better off forgotten, as was the emperor's plan. From there, I imagine that they would be used to set an example and warn against the temptation to stray from the emperor's design.

I don't disagree, although after Ullanor Horus definitely carries a seed of bitterness about being kept out of the Emperor's plans. Depending on how long he's been brooding, he might be willing to hear Lorgar out - and Lorgar can be very persuasive.

I think that Horus felt that he had been elevated to an almost equal level as the emperor when made warmaster and to learn that so much had been kept from him and then receiving orders from the council of terra really turned him bitter. There must have been part of him that fancied himself the natural and inevitable successor to the emperor

While there were definitely seeds of doubt and ambition for Horus to turn against the Emperor, I feel like the fact that he had to be stabbed and corrupted via a chaos weapon and coven for healing implies that it would take a lot more than Lorgar's honeyed lies to actually turn him outright. Hell, him finding out about Lorgar's treachery could give him the ego boost that he needed to know something that almost nobody else knew at the time, Emperor included. Furthermore, remember that this version of Lorgar had yet to be fully transfigured by his experiences of Istvaan and embracing his psychic side, and being seen as the weakest of the Primarchs would not lend him any help in swaying Horus even if he somehow had the chance to.

 Grimskul wrote:
While there were definitely seeds of doubt and ambition for Horus to turn against the Emperor, I feel like the fact that he had to be stabbed and corrupted via a chaos weapon and coven for healing implies that it would take a lot more than Lorgar's honeyed lies to actually turn him outright. Hell, him finding out about Lorgar's treachery could give him the ego boost that he needed to know something that almost nobody else knew at the time, Emperor included. Furthermore, remember that this version of Lorgar had yet to be fully transfigured by his experiences of Istvaan and embracing his psychic side, and being seen as the weakest of the Primarchs would not lend him any help in swaying Horus even if he somehow had the chance to.

So I wonder what that means in terms of Space Wolves vs Thousand Sons. The whole point was to get both players out of the game before the Heresy kicked into full swing. If Horus turns too early, then we might have Space Wolves and Thousand Sons both staying loyal. If Horus is not convinced by Lorgar, then I think we'd have a Burning of Colchis instead of the Burning of Prospero. Lorgar bounces to the warp to chill with his patrons, and the chaos gods start looking for another crack in the Legions' collective armor - Magnus could very easily become the next torchbearer for chaos, but I don't think he could work as subtly or as patiently as Lorgar.

Plus, if there's no single civil war, then a lot of the other legions that have legitimate grievances might be quietly removed every now and then, as mentioned with the II and XI. The Night Lords had already been censured and were on their way to further punishment. Peterabo gets bitterer and bitterer but doesn't have the charisma to marshal a full rebellion. He sets up an independent fiefdom somewhere and there's a prolonged, grueling campaign before he's defeated. The World Eaters become less and less stable and eventually recruitment stops altogether, the Emperor lets Angron and his sons just destroy themselves. The Alpha Legion would probably still get entangled in the Cabal, but their technique was never open war. Maybe they launch an inside campaign that is eventually discovered. Several smaller moments of rebellion and punishment, that serve as roadblocks to the Great Crusade but don't have the critical mass of the Horus Heresy to actually bring the Imperium to its knees.

Clearly, it wasn't a plan involving loyal Lorgar, it was evil, stinky, untrustworthy Erebus acting on his own.....

"Initiate Tzeentch Plan B".