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Asmodios wrote: I'm surprised at how negative a lot of the community is about this app. For a couple of bucks a month I get to digitize my paper books and able to quickly reference rules. I know that this was technically possible with Battlescribe but
1. There were ads
2. If you didn't want ads you had to give your credit card info to a guy whos app is essentially piracy
3. Battlescribe was never seen as "official" so you always had to reference the book anyway
Obviously, if it doesn't work well I can always go back to battlescribe or full paper/books. But honestly paying a couple of bucks a month to compile all my rules down onto an official app seems like good value to me. As long as the layout is smooth and intuitive ill be paying for the subscription. I do hope they have a free trial period to try out all the features
I'm surprised you're surprised. Paying monthly for something you already own doesn't make any sense. I don't give two wet figs about battlescribe. I'm amused by folks optimism that the app is going to be fast, well laid out and performance-optimized. You're imagining a best case scenario that's somehow magically vastly superior to just flipping a book open, without any evidence that whoever they hired is even capable of basic functionality. And that the currently non-existant army builder will somehow be better than writing an army list on paper, or a spreadsheet, word document or literally whatever.
Its basically $5 a month for the privilege of paying $5 a month.
This app is technological determination in action. Apps exist, so there has to be one, regardless of whether its even vaguely useful or not.
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Well, if it sucks I guess you just don't pay for it?
(I'd also suggest there are many things which one owns and pays some kind of subscription to enhance or maintain - some more worthwhile than others)
And at that point everything is the same as it is now but you get freebie core rules and a bonus digital version of whatever codecies you buy.
So either the app is quite good and we all win or it's not and nobody really loses except GW that paid money to develop something that people don't use.
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surprised that they havent linked direct gw purchases to freeby months as a sly upsell ie buy this random accesory or wd to nudge you over the threshold, code on receipt job done
"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
Ice_can wrote: Unfortunately this smacks of the usual issues when you get outside software people to develope stuff for a niche market with perticular client's, (a 40k app is fairly niche and you know how much all 40k players love to complain).
The contractor is given the high level requirement, the softies go of and develope something that technically meets the requirement. However as they don't have any context around how it will be used they build something that is fundamentally flawed in the customers eyes as using it is so counter intuitive to how it needs to work contextually.
I worry that the price is high and will only get higher as the development costs will have probably been enough to build the app 5 tines over before we get a working product that anyone will actually feel is genuinely valuable in improving the playing experiance.
Like I dont get why some of the things the comunity has thrown out in like 24 hours haven't even been mentioned as possibly being features for the future.
rbstr wrote: Well, if it sucks I guess you just don't pay for it?
(I'd also suggest there are many things which one owns and pays some kind of subscription to enhance or maintain - some more worthwhile than others)
And at that point everything is the same as it is now but you get freebie core rules and a bonus digital version of whatever codecies you buy.
So either the app is quite good and we all win or it's not and nobody really loses except GW that paid money to develop something that people don't use.
The point isn't that you have to pay or not, it's that there is no value to it.
If they didn't put the 8th ed books in there (and I suppose you already own those you need), there would be no content at all with your sub. Why is it surprising that people are kind of concerned over this ?
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Asmodios wrote: I'm surprised at how negative a lot of the community is about this app. For a couple of bucks a month I get to digitize my paper books and able to quickly reference rules. I know that this was technically possible with Battlescribe but
1. There were ads
2. If you didn't want ads you had to give your credit card info to a guy whos app is essentially piracy
3. Battlescribe was never seen as "official" so you always had to reference the book anyway
Obviously, if it doesn't work well I can always go back to battlescribe or full paper/books. But honestly paying a couple of bucks a month to compile all my rules down onto an official app seems like good value to me. As long as the layout is smooth and intuitive ill be paying for the subscription. I do hope they have a free trial period to try out all the features
I'm surprised you're surprised. Paying monthly for something you already own doesn't make any sense. I don't give two wet figs about battlescribe. I'm amused by folks optimism that the app is going to be fast, well laid out and performance-optimized. You're imagining a best case scenario that's somehow magically vastly superior to just flipping a book open, without any evidence that whoever they hired is even capable of basic functionality. And that the currently non-existant army builder will somehow be better than writing an army list on paper, or a spreadsheet, word document or literally whatever.
Its basically $5 a month for the privilege of paying $5 a month.
This app is technological determination in action. Apps exist, so there has to be one, regardless of whether its even vaguely useful or not.
Must have skipped over the part where I said "obviously, if it doesn't work well".... If it's so poorly put together that I can just as easily flip through the book then yeah I'm not going to pay for it. But if I have an official rules reference that allows me to find and reference rules easily without the hassle of flipping through a codex, BRB, ect it's well worth the $5 a month imo. If it even saves me 10min a game in casual games I would be willing to pay that much as my time is worth money and over the course of a year if it saves me a few hours of finding page numbers and wearing out my hardcover books then yeah I think it's going to be worth every penny. Also, nobody is forcing this app on you so if you don't like it simply don't pay for it. I guess i don't understand the gnashing of teeth over a completely optional app that seems like its charging a small price for convenience. You are imaging some kind of worst-case scenario where the app is broken day 1 and never works.... which even if it did then don't use it lol. Just wait for some YouTubers to review it before getting the paid version
Asmodios wrote: I'm surprised at how negative a lot of the community is about this app. For a couple of bucks a month I get to digitize my paper books and able to quickly reference rules. I know that this was technically possible with Battlescribe but
1. There were ads
2. If you didn't want ads you had to give your credit card info to a guy whos app is essentially piracy
3. Battlescribe was never seen as "official" so you always had to reference the book anyway
Obviously, if it doesn't work well I can always go back to battlescribe or full paper/books. But honestly paying a couple of bucks a month to compile all my rules down onto an official app seems like good value to me. As long as the layout is smooth and intuitive ill be paying for the subscription. I do hope they have a free trial period to try out all the features
On the other hand I have to pay a silly amount for a service that doesn't actually help much.
£3 doesn't seem much until you realise its actually been £30 because monthly payments.
tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam
rbstr wrote: Well, if it sucks I guess you just don't pay for it?
(I'd also suggest there are many things which one owns and pays some kind of subscription to enhance or maintain - some more worthwhile than others)
And at that point everything is the same as it is now but you get freebie core rules and a bonus digital version of whatever codecies you buy.
So either the app is quite good and we all win or it's not and nobody really loses except GW that paid money to develop something that people don't use.
The point isn't that you have to pay or not, it's that there is no value to it.
If they didn't put the 8th ed books in there (and I suppose you already own those you need), there would be no content at all with your sub. Why is it surprising that people are kind of concerned over this ?
Because if there is no value to it then don't pay for it
Great value=pay for it...... everyone wins
No value=dont pay for it....... exact same boat as last edition and nothing of value was lost
rbstr wrote: Well, if it sucks I guess you just don't pay for it?
(I'd also suggest there are many things which one owns and pays some kind of subscription to enhance or maintain - some more worthwhile than others)
And at that point everything is the same as it is now but you get freebie core rules and a bonus digital version of whatever codecies you buy.
So either the app is quite good and we all win or it's not and nobody really loses except GW that paid money to develop something that people don't use.
Except people here, in this thread (and the general N&R thread), are suggesting that it be wonderful if (once it actually exists), people are forced to use the App to play games with other people. Because everyone they've ever met is an evil cheater or too stupid to function, apparently.
When folks with no connection to the company are suggesting it be made a requirement sight unseen, with no idea if its any good or even vaguely useful, and the functionality that they're suggesting people use doesn't even exist, its time to put the brakes on and point out that its money for nothing.
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Asmodios wrote: I'm surprised at how negative a lot of the community is about this app. For a couple of bucks a month I get to digitize my paper books and able to quickly reference rules. I know that this was technically possible with Battlescribe but
1. There were ads
2. If you didn't want ads you had to give your credit card info to a guy whos app is essentially piracy
3. Battlescribe was never seen as "official" so you always had to reference the book anyway
Obviously, if it doesn't work well I can always go back to battlescribe or full paper/books. But honestly paying a couple of bucks a month to compile all my rules down onto an official app seems like good value to me. As long as the layout is smooth and intuitive ill be paying for the subscription. I do hope they have a free trial period to try out all the features
On the other hand I have to pay a silly amount for a service that doesn't actually help much.
£3 doesn't seem much until you realise its actually been £30 because monthly payments.
You just said "have to pay" i must have missed the part where GW put a gun to my head and made me buy it. If you don't like the app you don't have to buy it and your quality of gaming remains unchanged in any way
Asmodios wrote: I'm surprised at how negative a lot of the community is about this app. For a couple of bucks a month I get to digitize my paper books and able to quickly reference rules. I know that this was technically possible with Battlescribe but
1. There were ads
2. If you didn't want ads you had to give your credit card info to a guy whos app is essentially piracy
3. Battlescribe was never seen as "official" so you always had to reference the book anyway
Obviously, if it doesn't work well I can always go back to battlescribe or full paper/books. But honestly paying a couple of bucks a month to compile all my rules down onto an official app seems like good value to me. As long as the layout is smooth and intuitive ill be paying for the subscription. I do hope they have a free trial period to try out all the features
On the other hand I have to pay a silly amount for a service that doesn't actually help much.
£3 doesn't seem much until you realise its actually been £30 because monthly payments.
You just said "have to pay" i must have missed the part where GW put a gun to my head and made me buy it. If you don't like the app you don't have to buy it and your quality of gaming remains unchanged in any way
I thought it would be rather obvious that I mean you have to pay to use the full service. It struck me as obvious.
tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam
Asmodios wrote: I'm surprised at how negative a lot of the community is about this app. For a couple of bucks a month I get to digitize my paper books and able to quickly reference rules. I know that this was technically possible with Battlescribe but
1. There were ads
2. If you didn't want ads you had to give your credit card info to a guy whos app is essentially piracy
3. Battlescribe was never seen as "official" so you always had to reference the book anyway
Obviously, if it doesn't work well I can always go back to battlescribe or full paper/books. But honestly paying a couple of bucks a month to compile all my rules down onto an official app seems like good value to me. As long as the layout is smooth and intuitive ill be paying for the subscription. I do hope they have a free trial period to try out all the features
On the other hand I have to pay a silly amount for a service that doesn't actually help much.
£3 doesn't seem much until you realise its actually been £30 because monthly payments.
You just said "have to pay" i must have missed the part where GW put a gun to my head and made me buy it. If you don't like the app you don't have to buy it and your quality of gaming remains unchanged in any way
I thought it would be rather obvious that I mean you have to pay to use the full service. It struck me as obvious.
It struck me as obvious if you don't like the full service of the app then you just don't purchase it... Which leads me back to my original point that i don't understand why people are so upset. I get people just saying "don't think there is enough value I won't get it" i don't get some people being torn up about this. You can still use all the stuff from last edition the same exact way. If you do see value you can now also use this part of the app. I see Zero downside for the community even if the app was terrible
Asmodios wrote: I'm surprised at how negative a lot of the community is about this app. For a couple of bucks a month I get to digitize my paper books and able to quickly reference rules. I know that this was technically possible with Battlescribe but
1. There were ads
2. If you didn't want ads you had to give your credit card info to a guy whos app is essentially piracy
3. Battlescribe was never seen as "official" so you always had to reference the book anyway
Obviously, if it doesn't work well I can always go back to battlescribe or full paper/books. But honestly paying a couple of bucks a month to compile all my rules down onto an official app seems like good value to me. As long as the layout is smooth and intuitive ill be paying for the subscription. I do hope they have a free trial period to try out all the features
On the other hand I have to pay a silly amount for a service that doesn't actually help much.
£3 doesn't seem much until you realise its actually been £30 because monthly payments.
You just said "have to pay" i must have missed the part where GW put a gun to my head and made me buy it. If you don't like the app you don't have to buy it and your quality of gaming remains unchanged in any way
I thought it would be rather obvious that I mean you have to pay to use the full service. It struck me as obvious.
It struck me as obvious if you don't like the full service of the app then you just don't purchase it... Which leads me back to my original point that i don't understand why people are so upset. I get people just saying "don't think there is enough value I won't get it" i don't get some people being torn up about this. You can still use all the stuff from last edition the same exact way. If you do see value you can now also use this part of the app. I see Zero downside for the community even if the app was terrible
Because it's a rip off for what it provides and despite the fact it's fairly standard for GW to do that it's still frustrating.
tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam
I assumed that the GW app would be an official list builder, with other add-on extras; because Battlescibe is obviously very widely used.
It won't be that at launch, and there is nothing on offer worth the £4 per month. I am thus a bit disappointed, and to be honest also somewhat annoyed at the stupid "for less than a brush a month" sales pitch.
Asmodios wrote: I'm surprised at how negative a lot of the community is about this app. For a couple of bucks a month I get to digitize my paper books and able to quickly reference rules. I know that this was technically possible with Battlescribe but
1. There were ads
2. If you didn't want ads you had to give your credit card info to a guy whos app is essentially piracy
3. Battlescribe was never seen as "official" so you always had to reference the book anyway
Obviously, if it doesn't work well I can always go back to battlescribe or full paper/books. But honestly paying a couple of bucks a month to compile all my rules down onto an official app seems like good value to me. As long as the layout is smooth and intuitive ill be paying for the subscription. I do hope they have a free trial period to try out all the features
On the other hand I have to pay a silly amount for a service that doesn't actually help much.
£3 doesn't seem much until you realise its actually been £30 because monthly payments.
You just said "have to pay" i must have missed the part where GW put a gun to my head and made me buy it. If you don't like the app you don't have to buy it and your quality of gaming remains unchanged in any way
I thought it would be rather obvious that I mean you have to pay to use the full service. It struck me as obvious.
It struck me as obvious if you don't like the full service of the app then you just don't purchase it... Which leads me back to my original point that i don't understand why people are so upset. I get people just saying "don't think there is enough value I won't get it" i don't get some people being torn up about this. You can still use all the stuff from last edition the same exact way. If you do see value you can now also use this part of the app. I see Zero downside for the community even if the app was terrible
Because it's a rip off for what it provides and despite the fact it's fairly standard for GW to do that it's still frustrating.
See I understand the frustration and think its perfectly fair. The app surely isn't turning out to be what I was wish-listed originally. But if it doesn't turn out to be anything close I won't get it. The good thing is now that an app exists they are going to have a monetary reason to improve it. If it sucks and almost nobody is purchasing it they will be forced to abandon the app or improve it till its of equal or better value to competitors.
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Imma get the free deal and use my epubs, just to check it out before parting with my cash, like any sensible person would. Its not like one cannot unsubscribe after a month if the paid sub doesnt feel worth, and go back to the free sub.
And whats this about epubs not working on PCs? Their just HTML archives, just unzip and use yer browser ffs
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Xenomancers wrote: What kind of design team makes something worse than their competitors who give something away for free and at the same time they charge excessively for it? They are literally wasting money developing it because no one will buy it.
In order to justify this cost the app would need to keep the game score and link with your mates app and update live based on game results...actually...WHY Doesn't it do that?
GW...if you want to hire me I will work for cheap...just give me models actually...
Battle scribe is not giving it away for free, you're paying for it via ads or a subscription. If GW decided to launch all services without a subscription, and paid for the app development/maintenance cost with third party ads you guys would gaking all over them, and I'd be right there with you. GW is a premium brand, that comes with a higher cost and higher consumer expectations. If they released a product that worked exactly like battle scribe, we'd all be aghast at such a bare bones and uneven offering. We would be saying things like; Why does this have ads, whats with this third party data source, why do I have to wait for updates, why are there so many nested menus, why isn't there any consistency between codexes.
The 40k app will reflect on the brand, and GW would much rather have an app that fails because it wasn't at the right price point, than an app that fails because it doesn't meet the standards of their customers. I'm not saying the price is a guarantee that the app will be good, but offering a premium product is GWs goal. We are probably looking at a $60 per year if you pay in advance, or $6 a month for month to month.
With that said, I'm a touch concerned about the app. When you're a software dev you learn to identify deathmarches as a self defense mechanism, and they are obviously hip deep into one right now. Notice how they didn't give any dates in this press release, but gave the week before launch in prior announcements? That's a sure sign of a slipping schedule, and this close to launch that is terrible news.
Yes I understand that BS uses adds to generate income and also donations. For the user though it is essentially free.
As far as GW is concerned - it will be their primary competitor. The current product GW is going to be offering is vastly inferior/has initial and upkeep costs is has 0 chance at being successful in this situation. I want to GW app to be successful. The only way it could work with this cost is if it did at least 1 thing that BS can't do really well.
-Tracking the game score / linking to another players app so you could see their list
- Visual representation of units you are looking at in the AP - Voice commands
Something...Making a worse product and charging more for it is not a successful idea. perhaps they plan to quash BS with legal means. Honestly I am not sure how BS gets away with what it does. Not an expert on that subject by any means.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
Because if there is no value to it then don't pay for it
Great value=pay for it...... everyone wins
No value=dont pay for it....... exact same boat as last edition and nothing of value was lost
Then there is nothing to discuss ever. Close the forums.
You don't like that mini ? Don't buy it.
You don't like that book ? Don't read it.
You don't like this rule ? Don't play the game.
It's not my line of work but I'm not sure this is sustainable.
I'm amused by folks optimism that the app is going to be fast, well laid out and performance-optimized.
This. Their actual printed books aren't even "well laid out and optimized", and GW doesn't exactly have a strong reputation for success in this specific area.
I tend not to use Battle Scribe because it can get too difficult keeping track of what has been properly updated and what hasn't. For me it's easier to just use the books and paper. I was hoping, like others have said that the GW app would essentially be "Games Workshop Battlescribe", but it looks like it won't be so I'm back to trying to figure out the point.
If it sucks and almost nobody is purchasing it they will be forced to abandon the app or improve it till its of equal or better value to competitors.
This is the other reason I'm waiting. They will likely be pretty quick to abandon this if it doesn't go big. If it's still around in 6 months, and it's become something akin to what we were all wish listing, I'll be more excited about it.
Edit: I just googled ablutions and apparently it does not including dropping a duece. I should have looked it up early sorry for any confusion. - Baldsmug
Psiensis on the "good old days":
"Kids these days...
... I invented the 6th Ed meta back in 3rd ed.
Wait, what were we talking about again? Did I ever tell you about the time I gave you five bees for a quarter? That's what you'd say in those days, "give me five bees for a quarter", is what you'd say in those days. And you'd go down to the D&D shop, with an onion in your belt, 'cause that was the style of the time. So there I was in the D&D shop..."
Xenomancers wrote: Honestly I am not sure how BS gets away with what it does. Not an expert on that subject by any means.
I guess you'd need to define what you think they're getting away with. BattleScribe is a generic program that can be used to view datafiles for many game systems.
Suing them makes as much sense as suing Google because Wahapedia exists and people can look at it using Chrome.
If there are AI bots that clarifies any of arguments during game. It would be worth it.
‘That enemy is stand 5.2” high building, can my imperial knight punches them?’
AI bots - ‘no’
‘Mothers-!’ [threw smartphone out the window.]
Xenomancers wrote: Honestly I am not sure how BS gets away with what it does. Not an expert on that subject by any means.
I guess you'd need to define what you think they're getting away with. BattleScribe is a generic program that can be used to view datafiles for many game systems.
Suing them makes as much sense as suing Google because Wahapedia exists and people can look at it using Chrome.
BattleScribe can't be sued for 40k rules for the same reason video game emulators stick around and can be on the app store; the program itself isn't doing anything illegal, it's just a platform that the userbase can use to do things that may or may not be illegal. The illegal parts are done by much smaller entities that are harder to track and much less valuable to sue (some guy in his apartment ripping the ROM off of his GBA cartridges isn't worth going after for Nintendo, and neither is some guy copying his codex into a file to be used on Battlescribe for GW).
What I am surprised about is, honestly, is the reaction to the price tag. 6.00 a month is not a lot of money.
Now, if you don't see value in the price, or the value at all in this app, that's perfectly fine and I don't blame people for not wanting to use it if they feel this way.
But I've seen a lot of comments about how high the price is and I truly can't understand how, in our hobby, that 6.00 would even raise an eyebrow.
mrFickle wrote: What if you got 50% off all books if your an app subscriber?
How? Most stores would tell you to go feth yourself. Why should they take a loss because you signed up for a service 5 minutes before you walked in a store?
Because the money you pay every month covers part of the cost of retailing in the book so there no loss
Seabass wrote: But I've seen a lot of comments about how high the price is and I truly can't understand how, in our hobby, that 6.00 would even raise an eyebrow.
Most comments aren't about how "high" (it's still the equivalent of 2 codex/supplement per year, so kinda close to what most people are probably spending at best on GW's books I would guess) the price is but what we get for it. And if people that are happy to pay 55$ for 5 minis, suddenly yell about 6$ a month, there might be an issue with the perceived value.
Seabass wrote: What I am surprised about is, honestly, is the reaction to the price tag. 6.00 a month is not a lot of money.
Now, if you don't see value in the price, or the value at all in this app, that's perfectly fine and I don't blame people for not wanting to use it if they feel this way.
But I've seen a lot of comments about how high the price is and I truly can't understand how, in our hobby, that 6.00 would even raise an eyebrow.
It’s a microtransaction that adds up. $6 a month is $72 a year, if we are generous and assume a 4 year cycle, that’s $288 over the course of 9th. That’s a chunk of minis.
I do not begrudge spending money on minis. They do not go stale, and with very few exceptions, can be used forever. I put RTB01 Beakeis down on the field shoulder to shoulder with Primaris. Well, shoulder to mid-chest, but you get my point. Once added to an army, they endure.
Rulebooks have a limited active life for the edition they are printed in. They have a longer secondary life as sources for lore and fluff, but much of that is re-printed. But they are a necessary evil to play. And sometimes it can be fun to flip through the old ones. In general, I begrudge the money I spend on books
The app offers nothing concrete. It is pure payment for intangible rewards. Once you stop subscibing, there will be no mini on the shelf, no tome of history to refer too. Just a lingering cloud of zeros and ones. Selling play aids is nothing new. Maelstom decks, objective dice, etc. Almost all of those are just deadweight once their edition is over. The app is similar. It might be that I’m still bitter about 6th edition and it’s ultra-short life cycle. At least with a monthly subscription you don’t need to front load the cost.
The issue is that the value it’s offering is vastly out of scale with the price. if it was a nominal price for a couple nice features, fine. If it was a premium price (which it is) for a deep and fully fleshed out product, offing features, whistles, and all the bells, I could see that. But they are asking a price that just far outstrips the product. Now if the value was consummate with the cost, I’d have no problem shelling out for it. Much like the rules, it would be part of the price of playing.
Seabass wrote: What I am surprised about is, honestly, is the reaction to the price tag. 6.00 a month is not a lot of money.
In absolute terms, you're correct. Relative to what that money gets you it seems very high. £4 a month doesn't seem to actually get anything worthwhile for the subscriber. The army builder (which won't be available at launch) would need to be a work of pure genius to make me want to use it over the free options that currently exist and the other subscriber benefits seem miserly.
Seabass wrote: What I am surprised about is, honestly, is the reaction to the price tag. 6.00 a month is not a lot of money.
In absolute terms, you're correct. Relative to what that money gets you it seems very high. £4 a month doesn't seem to actually get anything worthwhile for the subscriber. The army builder (which won't be available at launch) would need to be a work of pure genius to make me want to use it over the free options that currently exist and the other subscriber benefits seem miserly.
Its also not a Subscription in a vacuum, There are lots of online services that use a subscription model. And a lot aimed directly at more Nerdy people, So often people dont just see it as $6 or such, but another $6 each month.
If you do even a few things it all ads up, so you start looking at the value of each you want to keep and drop what seems to be offering less.
mrFickle wrote: What if you got 50% off all books if your an app subscriber?
How? Most stores would tell you to go feth yourself. Why should they take a loss because you signed up for a service 5 minutes before you walked in a store?
Because the money you pay every month covers part of the cost of retailing in the book so there no loss
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. No amount of the subscription fee would go to game stores. They have zero incentive to give you a price cut on books, let alone a 50% one.
Even for GW, the sub fee doesn't cover 'retailing,' whatever you mean by that. Its the cost of the app (development + server costs) + profit.
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Seabass wrote: What I am surprised about is, honestly, is the reaction to the price tag. 6.00 a month is not a lot of money.
Now, if you don't see value in the price, or the value at all in this app, that's perfectly fine and I don't blame people for not wanting to use it if they feel this way.
But I've seen a lot of comments about how high the price is and I truly can't understand how, in our hobby, that 6.00 would even raise an eyebrow.
Pay it for the life of the edition (3.5 years or so). Congrats, you've paid more than the cost of the Indomitus Launch set. Except you don't have any models or rulebook. You, in fact, have nothing.
Why would you pay a couple hundred bucks over several years for nothing?
I wonder what stopped them from just making it work like the AoS app. Seems strange to put out something like a list building app, but it doesn't have the option to build lists.
Thing is worthless for someone who already has bought a PA and codex in 8th. And I get it that necrons and marines are going to get a book soon, but as a GK player, even if I could buy and use it, I wouldn't be killing myself to get the subscription.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
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