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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 16:11:28
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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So my favorite HQ has always been an Eldar Autach on jetbike with Lance and Reaper launcher.
Technically that unit still exists, but you have to pick between Lance or Fusion gun. Never both unless you use Legends.
I was ok using that combo from Legends, but now that the cost of Reaper launchers is built into Dark Reapers cost with no 'Autarch' cost (like Fusion guns or Laser lances), it just doesn't feel right to give a Bike Autarch a "free" Reaper launcher.
I'll probably still take both Lance and Fusion gun because there are points for both, specifically for Autarchs and it isn't too far of a jump to Legends to add both. Both upgrades are in the Codex entry as an either/or, so I'll only be using Legends to get both (and a Banshee mask)
Autarchs are the Eldar equivalent to Captains, so they shouldn't have had all their options removed. But I'm still not comfortable using an option that doesn't seem to have an appropriate cost anymore.
What units do you have that aren't going to translate well to 9th because of something OTHER than Tactical viability?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 17:40:14
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Waaagh! Warbiker
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Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun. Just not reasonably viable with its new points cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 17:41:47
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Dunno off the top of my head, but I think my Chaplain on a Bike is in legends while Primaris are getting a Chaplain on a bike. We still got the Jump Pack guy though
Still holding out for Necron Pariahs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 17:42:48
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
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Gnarlly wrote:Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun. Just not reasonably viable with its new points cost.
And with the elimination of specialist detachments in non-casual play you can bet you won't see one till a new dex.
For me I say goodbye to my Tzeentch demon HQs. Somehow a changecastee is freaking 85pts!?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 17:43:12
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Gnarlly wrote:Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun. Just not reasonably viable with its new points cost.
On a similar note, Whirlwinds shot way up but don't appear to be worth the expense. Could be wrong as I haven't played 9th yet, but it doesn't look good atm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 17:50:14
Subject: Re:Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Aberrants & pretty much everything else GSC.
Also my Ynnari stuff (especially the old-school stuff kit-bashed from Eldar-bits across Craftworld/Drukhari/Harlequins for a matching look when they were still mixed in detachments).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 17:57:35
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Annandale, VA
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The Malanthrope doesn't seem too useful in an edition where obscuration is easier to come by and to-hit penalties cap at -1. Which is a shame, because I've always loved the model (see: avatar).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 19:01:14
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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catbarf wrote:The Malanthrope doesn't seem too useful in an edition where obscuration is easier to come by and to-hit penalties cap at -1. Which is a shame, because I've always loved the model (see: avatar).
Certainly less useful. But remember the cap is only applied after the total +/- is calculated.
So if the thing that was trying to shoot you had a +1, cover would zero it out, but the malanthrope would take it back down.
Also not sure if the Malanthrope ability is described using the word "cover;" if not, it would be unaffected by rules that negate cover.
Not as useful as it was, obviously. But not useless either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 19:36:51
Subject: Re:Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Fixture of Dakka
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As I was browsing FW the other day I noticed that my Las/plas Razorback turret is no longer sold. Something tells me that if I look I won't be finding its pts listed in Codex/CA....
This makes my DA sad. :(
But I play in a casual environment of about a dozen friends & have no interest in the tourney scene. So as long as it's got stats/pts we're not too worried about wether somethings in Codex or Legends.
And I'm completely unconcerned with pts efficiency or good/bad rules. If I like the model? I'll use it & worry about how to beat you with it as the dice are rolling.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 20:22:08
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Pious Palatine
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Stormbolter sergeants.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 20:29:31
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Terrifying Doombull
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Nothing. I stopped deviating from the standard equipment.
First, hand flamers disappeared from the universe in the 2nd to 3rd transition. Had to tweak a significant number of space wolves.
Later came the 'Great Rebasing' of ungor
Last, Beast of Chaos Daemon Princes vanished into the ether. Had a fun conversion of the original Lord of Change model, with hand worked fur and a boar's head.
Three strikes was enough for me. If it isn't off the sprue in the box (and a main-line GW box), GW taught me not to bother.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 20:30:14
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 20:44:04
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Warbikers. They were borderline playable in 8th, but with the death of specialist detachments, the point rise, coherency rules and fierce competition around the fast attack slot in ork armies, they will be staying inside their box for most of 9th.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/07/21 20:44:25
7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/21 20:44:33
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Triggerbaby wrote:In summary, here's your lunch and ask Miss Creaver if she has aloe lotion because I have taken you to school and you have been burned.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I too can prove pretty much any assertion I please if I don't count all the evidence that contradicts it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 01:36:23
Subject: Re:Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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Unit?  Some of us lost entire armies. No points in the new ca for Renegades and Heretics, and still nothing from gw on what they're doing with them.
But if we're going units, the massive points hike warp talons recieved along with the loss of the Host Raptorial specialist detachment probably means they'll be sidelined for a while. They can hang out with my hellforged leviathan who got a bigger nerf than the superior loyalist leviathan, despite the loyalist version being the one most people complained about. And with the increases on everything else the whopping 37 point buff my already massively overpriced fellblade recieving is effectively moot, so it'll be there too.
Thanks gw, great balance you've given us.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 04:48:31
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Morphing Obliterator
The Void
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Am I allowed to mourn Chaos Marine Infantry, which has been pretty worthless since 8th? Or is it too far back?
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Always 1 on the crazed roll. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 04:53:43
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Dakka Veteran
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...not going to comment on what everyone's saying about the Guard in the tactics section juuuust yet.
What I will say though is that, if they clear house of anything Forgeworld that they have stopped selling, my kitbashed Leman Russ Annihilators and kitbashed Salamander Scout will be a painful loss for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 05:06:33
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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My Plague Hulk seems to have lost its rules in 9th, so I'll have to use it as a Soulgrinder or Defiler.
Can't think of anything else, but overall I must say the more I read about 9th the more it seems they messed up a lot of things here. No model no rules was already pretty aweful in 8th but you had ways around it through the Indizes.
Going by the points values I wonder what actually IS in the upcoming FW books after they purged so many of their 40K kits. And we don't even know if they will put the missing things into legends. If they do that's okay for me, I don't care about tournament restrictions, so specialist detachments are still around as well as legends units for my group.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 05:10:37
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Iconic Archon with the PGL, it'd bed legends.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 06:14:53
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Morphing Obliterator
The Void
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I'm also still mourning my Forge World Chaos Legion Dreadnoughts being turned into just helbrutes.
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Always 1 on the crazed roll. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 09:19:46
Subject: Re:Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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The Karybdis. The model is still in production, but doesn't have points in the new ca. Explain that one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 12:22:21
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Aberrants; A unit that is literally identical in statline to a TH/SS terminator except it doesn't have a 2+, 3++, or Shock Assault.
GW thinks that the point differential between those units should be.....5 points. LOL k.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 13:13:39
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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I've had a 4 man squad of jump pack honor guard/company veterans for years that I try and run with my Captain. They're all equipped with Storm Shields, one with a power first and one with a power axe, with the remaining two toting chainswords. Not a terribly awesome squad but the shieldwall kept my Captain alive through many a game. I'm going to be re-purposing them into Vanguard Veterans now that, it seems, Jump Pack Company Veterans are no longer a thing in the Blood Angels army list, sadly.
Second to that, I have a sanguinary novitiate with a jump pack that I'll need to either tweak or re-paint, as that option has officially gone to legends. Thankfully the Sanguinary Priest can still have a jump pack and I can field the model as that even without doing anything to him (Though I will make him look different and nicer, as befits his promotion!)
Those are mine. Could be a lot worse, and I'll not complain for sure.
Take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
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You don't know me son, so I'll explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 13:39:20
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Drudge Dreadnought wrote:Am I allowed to mourn Chaos Marine Infantry, which has been pretty worthless since 8th? Or is it too far back?
We hoped for GW to fix their problems instead of making them worse.
In that same vein I submit Chaplains in general and the Terminator Chaplain in particular. The wording of Litanies means that not only do they not work if the Chaplain Deep Strikes*, reserve deploys, or disembarks, they also have to be declared at the start of your opponent's turn if you're player 2. The RAW on that second part is mind-boggling, and GW could easily have fixed it in the recent FAQ. Could have, but didn't.
* This is the only reason to take a Terminator Chaplain, hence that unit warranting special attention.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 14:00:40
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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The Yncarne probably won't be appearing in my lists, as the new character-targeting rules kill it entirely.
But hey, at least they also fixed the problem of Guilliman-sized characters being able to hide behind regular guardsman.
Oh wait, my mistake, that's still a thing and it still works just fine.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 15:24:29
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Everything Craftworld that walks on the ground. They were already trash, now they're more relatively expensive trash.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 15:40:55
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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DarknessEternal wrote:Everything Craftworld that walks on the ground. They were already trash, now they're more relatively expensive trash.
Thank goodness GW brought a much-needed end to all those Wraithlord armies that were dominating the meta in 8th.
Also, you look familiar somehow.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 18:31:11
Subject: Re:Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Stormin' Stompa
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I don't know if it counts as lost, since there haven't been proper rule for it in ages, but I wish the Ork battlefortress had points for matched play. It makes for a great centerpiece and everyone else is getting bigger and bigger models. Although, with GW frowning upon anything that doesn't have it's own model, I doubt this will ever happen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 18:57:53
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Non of my models got worse under 9th rules, in fact a few got better, but the people that played strikes in 8th are really vocal about 4 pts falchions.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/07/22 19:04:52
Subject: Lament the Death of my favorite unit: What long used units of yours aren't surviving this edition?
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Terrifying Doombull
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Arcanis161 wrote:...not going to comment on what everyone's saying about the Guard in the tactics section juuuust yet.
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If its anything like the complaints Goonhammer posted about guard in their faction focus article, it'll just irritate people.
I get the complaints about heavy bolters. But griping about the 1 point bump for guardsmen, who are at the absolute floor of the 9th edition points system... that's just grating. Especially when the various craftworld/dark eldar troops are almost, literally or more than double that for the same durability.
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