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Finding the "Long Bomb" penance to be quite frustrating...frag always bounces off someone's head or the Psykers are blowing everyone up lol.

Ah, I can help you there. The trick is to not do the aimed throw, just to lob it at a group and it should get it quite easily.

I got it by pure chance during the.. water purification mission. Right before you enter the final chamber and commence purification protocols, you go down a long train tunnel, just chuck a few grenades down the tunnel as you go and it should happen.

The priests grenade challenge is a right bastard though.

I’m impressed by the level design. Even as a total n00b it’s pretty clear what direction to go in, meaning no need for intrusive markers floating about all over the place. And the combat is a more enjoyable pace than Hired Gun.

 Olthannon wrote:
Yeah I was playing some yesterday with a full team and the guy who was the new Psyker with the ludicrous needle powers kind of killed most things before the Lucius charged up.

@Flinty it's right stick click on xbox controller.

Its payback for all the Veterans doing the same to us Psykers for the last year. You're trying to charge your headpops and everything is dead to the bolter spam before you can do anything.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Yeah I was playing some yesterday with a full team and the guy who was the new Psyker with the ludicrous needle powers kind of killed most things before the Lucius charged up.

@Flinty it's right stick click on xbox controller.

Its payback for all the Veterans doing the same to us Psykers for the last year. You're trying to charge your headpops and everything is dead to the bolter spam before you can do anything.

As a veteran who did this, all I can say is "sorry!" 😅 I have a bad habit / reflex of shooting every highlighted target, so when a psyker tries going for a head pop, the target would get nicely highlighted for me, earning a las bolt through the head.

Is the scavenger perk bugged for the veteran? Haven't seen any progression on that penance.

I don’t see anything either, and I’m sure it must have procced at some point

What did scavenger do again? A lot of these penances are buggy / don't properly trigger, it took me forever to unlock the goggles for my veteran.

The penance is called something else, but you complete it by feeding like 5000 rounds to team mates by proccing the scavenger perk, which gives 1% ammo back to everyone incoherency when killing some of the special/elite mobs.

Ive never noticed the perk working directly as I’m too busy shooting to keep track of that level of ammo return


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On a more gameplay note, are the plasma gun or bolter worth it? Mainly worried over ammo consumption. Just about to hit the +25% ammo capacity park that should help.

Bolter definitely. High damage and good accuracy too.

The Plasma gun is... odd. Its a higher damage but harder to use bolter. Its kind of the "sniper rifle" in the sense that you can delete high hp targets with it from range, but there really is no such thing as long range fights in DT.

The bolter has received a few minor glow-ups (somewhat faster reload, weapon change animation and reduced recoil) to make a gun that melts the really big and nasty enemies with one well-timed ability trigger and a hip-fire mag-dump even better in my eyes.

The plasma gun I still need to test more, as it can pump out great damage, but feels.. off in many ways. It should work perfectly, as the veteran is mainly for dealing with elites and other non-mob trash, but again, for me it just feels off and I'd rather use a lasgun instead for output.

As for the penance, it was already an arse to get previously, but it may be borked now due to the class overhaul.

edit.

Yeah, the survivalist skill, it may be a bit borked, or it might be a variety of other factors, not being in close enough coherency, not bagging those kills.. like I said, when I was going for those cosmetics, these penances did not properly trigger at all for me.

Thanks guys. I'll try the bolter next time I'm out in the hive

I'm waiting to get a good high level bolter again to test out. Glad it's had a few upgrades.

If you can't find a good bolter, just buy a blank one and upgrade it yourself.

The changes are mostly to swapping it for your melee, a faster reload and the recoil has been lessened, it's still a low ammo pool brick highly unsuited for anything but elites, though it does do some splash damage when it kills mobs.

But before the class change update, triggering the veteran ability and hip firing the bolter into a spawn or other big beast is the best way to get those "kill something in x-seconds" penances, it is disgustingly good at that, the first time I killed one in under a few seconds was amazing.

Honestly the Plasma just feels like a gimped bolter. It doesn't really punch through hordes like it should, nor does it have the single target damage to justify itself over the bolter.

I feel like the uncharged shots need to have their damage severely buffed and give it much more penetration of small targets, and its charged shots again need a lot more damage to be worth it against large targets.

And idk, a better sight would be a good thing. So many guns have truly awful iron sights its hideous.

Oh, for the ability to put the sights of the Kantrael on other guns.. that would be a dream.

Is there still no good reason to kill a Daemonhost, outside of having the proper setup for it? Avoidance has been the norm.

Do it once for the achievement, do it every time afterwards because some plank needlessly provoked it? Don't they give an XP / materials bonus though if slain?



New transmission, could be hinting at new enemy type:

Whatever it is it sounds like it could be fun to shoot at. I was kind of hoping they'd add in some daemons at some point.

What I really want is for them to add genestealer cultists.

 Olthannon wrote:
Whatever it is it sounds like it could be fun to shoot at. I was kind of hoping they'd add in some daemons at some point.

A Plague Marine of some kind would be dope too.

Apparently the writers of the game want to stay away from Marines, and based on previous discussions, there would definitely be a bunch of people unhappy with that, claiming our band of 4 should just insta-die against a Marine.

I would hope that if GSC are going to be a thing, they hold off and do it for a second game.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Apparently the writers of the game want to stay away from Marines, and based on previous discussions, there would definitely be a bunch of people unhappy with that, claiming our band of 4 should just insta-die against a Marine.

Which is weird when you arguably face things in the game that in the lore are often on par or potentially more dangerous than a Chaos Space Marine (Daemonhost, Beast of Nurgle).

Traitor forces can be done without the involvement of Heretic Astartes, though a Plague Marine would make for a great boss battle.

I would love for the enemy to be a new type of renegade threat, maybe an assassin type of tracker, as that's what she's been hinting at, being hunted down.

Genestealer Cults would be ace, they're hiding everywhere these days, but they would be indeed better served for a second game, or a full-blown expansion of sorts taking place in a different hive.

Daemonhost is just kill it if someone is running a Shield-gryn because its free money and resources, but otherwise just sneak past. Its very boring.

I am kinda hoping for a Plague marine as a potential boss eventually. Yes they are strong, but they're no worse than Beasts of Nurgle or Plague Ogryns. I mean, if you can justify Daemonhosts being gimped down to the level where they are a beatable enemy in the game, a Plague Marine is totally doable. Realistically, anybody with sense would take a Plague Marine over a daemonhost...

But what I would like would be other enemy types all together. Give us another hive city being overrun by Khorne, another by Slannesh, another by Tzeentch. And another by genestealers. another by orks. etc...

Ab with shield, or the player with the highest stamina / best block is the way to go. The daemon host fights are annoying when you have someone trigger it and tries to run off, just tank it while everybody else piles in with melee.

Not sure if they fixed it, but sometimes you can't avoid them due to RNG placing one right in the one place you need to go through.

Yeah, they can sometimes be in a place where it is impossible to avoid(or at least almost impossible to avoid so someone is going to trigger it). Or you have a fight nearby and something happens to trigger it.

My party once snuck totally past a Daemonhost and was fighting well past it. A charger grabbed me and tossed me oh so perfectly backwards and I landed in the Daemonhosts lap. Nothing anyone could have done to stop it.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Apparently the writers of the game want to stay away from Marines, and based on previous discussions, there would definitely be a bunch of people unhappy with that, claiming our band of 4 should just insta-die against a Marine.

Which is weird when you arguably face things in the game that in the lore are often on par or potentially more dangerous than a Chaos Space Marine (Daemonhost, Beast of Nurgle).

DH can range massivly in power, since it's the entity and resistance of the soul nvm the method of binding the daemon that decide power.

Plague ogryns are like any ogryn unless we are talking charonites but those have died out in the 40k era whilest the beast of nurgle certainly is a tougher cookie but not nearly as agile.

Then again the chaos leader with refractorfield itself is probably due to nurgles blessings on par with a marine roughly.

I'm definitely enjoying the Ogryn a lot more with the new talent tree. The idea of a pet rock before throwing it at heretics is hilarious, though the big Ogryn frag bomb is a big win for me so far.

I'm going to be trying out the heavy weapon build soon, I think I need to get closer to max level to really take advantage of it since some of the traits that really let you take off in that tree are later down the line, as it is I burn through ammo too quickly.