Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Preview broadcast said Necron and SM dexes by October.

Oh look, just as I said - new Orks.

Also, Dark Eldar...

Preview just showed teaser, but definitely Lelith, a new sister (still OoOML (GRRR)), I think some Ork abs were in there too, and maybe an Admech/ Skitarri.

PenitentJake wrote:
Preview just showed teaser, but definitely Lelith, a new sister (still OoOML (GRRR)), I think some Ork abs were in there too, and maybe an Admech/ Skitarri.

Death Guard
Ad Mech
Drukari
Sister
Ork

(not in that order)

 AnomanderRake wrote:

If you insist. There was a Broodlord in 2016.

The current Broodlord released 2014 in the BA vs Nids box (Shield of Baal: Deathstorm). You had to wait until 2016 to be able to buy it as a single model.

Nids got all of their last releases in 2014, the box set was the last. There has been no new Tyranid release since then.

Number of SM releases since then: around 120

Calling it "second rate customer" just doesn't cut it anymore.

Where in the world are you getting "around 120" from, outside of hyperbole?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Where in the world are you getting "around 120" from, outside of hyperbole?

It's not hyperbole.

 catbarf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Where in the world are you getting "around 120" from, outside of hyperbole?

It's not hyperbole.

If you're counting every single subtype of Space Marine and the Horus Heresy plastics, then it's only fair to count Genestealer Cultists for Tyranids.

The 30k releases in there are like four. But sure, 40k only - Main Codex Chapters only: 75

Obviously heaps better, right?

Right?

Four army books that already existed(Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Codex Space Marines) and one(Deathwatch) was a whole range launch.

You want to keep going?

Oh, also the "Imperial Space Marine"? LOL. That was an anniversary model...that let you take a single Space Marine as a unit. Gasp!
Raven Guard "Kyrin Solaq", frigging lol. That wasn't a named character. It was a generic model released as part of a bundle that did awful.

There's also things like this:

Deathwatch - Primaris Intercessors
Deathwatch - Marine
Deathwatch - Kill-Team
Deathwatch - Chaplain
Deathwatch - Librarian

You want to keep trying to make this garbage argument?

Spoiler:
Out of all of those, only the Kill-Team was a dedicated Deathwatch product. The others were just rebadges of the vanilla items.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you're counting every single subtype of Space Marine and the Horus Heresy plastics, then it's only fair to count Genestealer Cultists for Tyranids.

Well, if we're going to count allies, then that means every SoB and Admech release counts for Marines, right?

Either way we are firmly into moving goalposts, since yeah, the claim that there have been ~120 Marine releases since the last Tyranid release is factually accurate.

 catbarf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you're counting every single subtype of Space Marine and the Horus Heresy plastics, then it's only fair to count Genestealer Cultists for Tyranids.

Well, if we're going to count allies, then that means every SoB and Admech release counts for Marines, right?

Either way we are firmly into moving goalposts, since yeah, the claim that there have been ~120 Marine releases since the last Tyranid release is factually accurate.

I'm seeing a lot of repeats on that list, so I'm calling bull.
Also--Cypher's on the list.

You know he's a Chaos Marines release, right?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 catbarf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you're counting every single subtype of Space Marine and the Horus Heresy plastics, then it's only fair to count Genestealer Cultists for Tyranids.

Well, if we're going to count allies, then that means every SoB and Admech release counts for Marines, right?

Either way we are firmly into moving goalposts, since yeah, the claim that there have been ~120 Marine releases since the last Tyranid release is factually accurate.

I'm seeing a lot of repeats on that list, so I'm calling bull.
Also--Cypher's on the list.

You know he's a Chaos Marines release, right?

Discount the repeats and ones you consider invalid, then. Only a hundred or so Marine releases since the last Tyranid release in 2014- that's much better!

Edit: Seriously, even if we discount every example that you personally feel is invalid, where are you going with this? 'You shouldn't feel like a second-rate customer because your last model came out six years ago, the flagship faction hasn't actually gotten 120 new releases since then, just 60 or so to your zero?'

It's also spread across how many ranges compared to one army?

Instead of squabbling over the exact details how about this question: Can you honestly say that Marines have a fair and proportionate amount of releases in comparison to other ranges?

Of course not, but again that boils down to the fact that there are how many different Marine armies that use the same range of basic models?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Of course not, but again that boils down to the fact that there are how many different Marine armies that use the same range of basic models?

Not so many that they should eclipse the rest of the game.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Of course not, but again that boils down to the fact that there are how many different Marine armies that use the same range of basic models?

All one army, One Codex again.....

I've heard this circular logic before. People say Marines don't get disproportionate attention/releases because each subfaction is a separate army, which is only the case because Marines alone have so much attention and investment put into them that their different color schemes all get their own books and army lists.

In other words: 'Marines aren't disproportionately favored, they just constitute half the armies in the game and so deserve more releases'. It's begging the question.

 catbarf wrote:
I've heard this circular logic before. People say Marines don't get disproportionate attention/releases because each subfaction is a separate army, which is only the case because Marines alone have so much attention and investment put into them that their different color schemes all get their own books and army lists.

In other words: 'Marines aren't disproportionately favored, they just constitute half the armies in the game and so deserve more releases'. It's begging the question.

I'm curious by what you mean by subfaction. Do you mean things like Space Wolves and the Angels? Or do you mean the multiple supplements they get when other factions have nothing like that?

pm713 wrote:

 catbarf wrote:
I've heard this circular logic before. People say Marines don't get disproportionate attention/releases because each subfaction is a separate army, which is only the case because Marines alone have so much attention and investment put into them that their different color schemes all get their own books and army lists.

In other words: 'Marines aren't disproportionately favored, they just constitute half the armies in the game and so deserve more releases'. It's begging the question.

I'm curious by what you mean by subfaction. Do you mean things like Space Wolves and the Angels? Or do you mean the multiple supplements they get when other factions have nothing like that?

Space Marines are a subfaction of the Imperium

Chapters are a Sub-sub faction - equivalent to a Craftworld or Kabel, Cult or Coven.

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 catbarf wrote:
I've heard this circular logic before. People say Marines don't get disproportionate attention/releases because each subfaction is a separate army, which is only the case because Marines alone have so much attention and investment put into them that their different color schemes all get their own books and army lists.

In other words: 'Marines aren't disproportionately favored, they just constitute half the armies in the game and so deserve more releases'. It's begging the question.

I'm curious by what you mean by subfaction. Do you mean things like Space Wolves and the Angels? Or do you mean the multiple supplements they get when other factions have nothing like that?

Space Marines are a subfaction of the Imperium

Chapters are a Sub-sub faction - equivalent to a Craftworld or Kabel, Cult or Coven.

Space Marines are not a subfaction of anything. Just look at the website, they have their own section for some reason...

 catbarf wrote:
I've heard this circular logic before. People say Marines don't get disproportionate attention/releases because each subfaction is a separate army, which is only the case because Marines alone have so much attention and investment put into them that their different color schemes all get their own books and army lists.

In other words: 'Marines aren't disproportionately favored, they just constitute half the armies in the game and so deserve more releases'. It's begging the question.

It's only "circular logic" if you're ignoring the key part:
This stuff is available to multiple ranges.
If it were just Codex Marines, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, etc that were seeing that many releases?
I'd be 100% there with your argument.

But it's Codex, DA, BA, DW, and SW who got to use a large chunk of if not all of these releases at the times they came out. That's 5 armies sharing the same release pool.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 catbarf wrote:
I've heard this circular logic before. People say Marines don't get disproportionate attention/releases because each subfaction is a separate army, which is only the case because Marines alone have so much attention and investment put into them that their different color schemes all get their own books and army lists.

In other words: 'Marines aren't disproportionately favored, they just constitute half the armies in the game and so deserve more releases'. It's begging the question.

It's only "circular logic" if you're ignoring the key part:
This stuff is available to multiple ranges.
If it were just Codex Marines, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, etc that were seeing that many releases?
I'd be 100% there with your argument.

But it's Codex, DA, BA, DW, and SW who got to use a large chunk of if not all of these releases at the times they came out. That's 5 armies sharing the same release pool.

But the fact remains that's 5 ranges who have had more releases than the rest of the game got including TWO armies have a big redo.

pm713 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 catbarf wrote:
I've heard this circular logic before. People say Marines don't get disproportionate attention/releases because each subfaction is a separate army, which is only the case because Marines alone have so much attention and investment put into them that their different color schemes all get their own books and army lists.

In other words: 'Marines aren't disproportionately favored, they just constitute half the armies in the game and so deserve more releases'. It's begging the question.

I'm curious by what you mean by subfaction. Do you mean things like Space Wolves and the Angels? Or do you mean the multiple supplements they get when other factions have nothing like that?

Space Marines are a subfaction of the Imperium

Chapters are a Sub-sub faction - equivalent to a Craftworld or Kabel, Cult or Coven.

Space Marines are not a subfaction of anything. Just look at the website, they have their own section for some reason...

Keywords from my White Scars Supplement is: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - White Scars

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 catbarf wrote:
I've heard this circular logic before. People say Marines don't get disproportionate attention/releases because each subfaction is a separate army, which is only the case because Marines alone have so much attention and investment put into them that their different color schemes all get their own books and army lists.

In other words: 'Marines aren't disproportionately favored, they just constitute half the armies in the game and so deserve more releases'. It's begging the question.

I'm curious by what you mean by subfaction. Do you mean things like Space Wolves and the Angels? Or do you mean the multiple supplements they get when other factions have nothing like that?

Space Marines are a subfaction of the Imperium

Chapters are a Sub-sub faction - equivalent to a Craftworld or Kabel, Cult or Coven.

Space Marines are not a subfaction of anything. Just look at the website, they have their own section for some reason...

Keywords from my White Scars Supplement is: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - White Scars

That's nice. Space Marines are still quite blatantly not a SUB faction. That holds as much weight as saying Tyranids are part of the same army as Dark Eldar.

pm713 wrote:

But the fact remains that's 5 ranges who have had more releases than the rest of the game got including TWO armies have a big redo.

And the fact remains that's 5 ranges sharing that pool of releases.

I'm not debating the fact that it's a lot. I'm debating the fact that it's considered excessive. GW literally can't win with this, because even if they released a similar amount of units for everyone--there would still be the complaints about all of these things since there's so much real estate taken up by Astartes units.

 Kanluwen wrote:

pm713 wrote:

But the fact remains that's 5 ranges who have had more releases than the rest of the game got including TWO armies have a big redo.

And the fact remains that's 5 ranges sharing that pool of releases.

I'm not debating the fact that it's a lot. I'm debating the fact that it's considered excessive. GW literally can't win with this, because even if they released a similar amount of units for everyone--there would still be the complaints about all of these things since there's so much real estate taken up by Astartes units.

You don't think it's excessive that 5 five armies take up so much more time and effort than everyone else including at least 2 big redos?

No, I don't think it's excessive when we're talking about five armies basically using the same pool of releases.

Man the goalposts sure are shifty around here. Must be quicksand or something...

Around 65 generic SM releases if we discount all unique characters. So each main Codex chapter gets 65 kits + 3-4 uniques, and the chapters with own codizes get 65 + a dozen or thereabouts.

Nothing to see here, move along, NPC citizen.