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It was in my inbox yesterday and I'm suprised nobody made a thread about it by now

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Placements:
1. Sororitas + Imperial Fists
2. Custodes
3. Grey Knights

Apparently out of 30 players there were only 3 Xenos lists (Tau, Tyranids and could not find the last one) and they placed at the bottom.


I'm not sure people had Sisters on the radar as cheap bodys for Space Marines and I'm curious if Xenos factions can improve with different lists. I imagine a Tau list for 9th must be radically different to accomodate the new objective rules compared to a faction like Marines.

a_typical_hero wrote:
I'm not sure people had Sisters on the radar as cheap bodys for Space Marines

I suspect the sisters were there for the repentia rather than the bodies. A lot of single turn glass cannon action while the marines bring the fire support a pure sisters list wouldn't have access to.

Yes. Lists are here

https://is2.4chan.org/tg/1596169161801.pdf

Sisters are essentially 3 units of Bloody Rose Repentia to suicide forward in an Imperial Fists army.

So they used 8th ed. points and 9th ed rules?

No. Looks like 9th Ed. points.

Chances are no one made a thread because 9th is off to such a wobbly start that any results are meaningless.

6 Eradicators in #1 list. Color me surprised

Also, on the other hand, there're tons of TTS tournament results if you're looking for high-performing lists.

It's kinda cool to see an actual GT getting off the ground, but for scrying the meta, it's not that relevant.

Custodes and Death Guard tend to dominate and probably need a healthy nerf. Marines continue to be super good and hopefully get toned down in their 9th Ed. codex. AdMech are good at tabling people. Sisters are good at raking up mission points before getting tabled. Etc..

...am I the only person flabbergasted at the blatant stupidity in running a GT at the moment? Especially in the US?

So far that's really just providing evidence that backs up most xeno players feelings that they got shafted by the point changes.

Not truly understanding why custodes are dominating as people say they are I've not found them half a busted as marines in the couple of 9th edition games so far, they still have a hard time vrs T8.

Deathguard being disgustingly resilient, Sisters of Battle as a rush list make sense.

 Dysartes wrote:
...am I the only person flabbergasted at the blatant stupidity in running a GT at the moment? Especially in the US?

Let them enjoy their "freedom"

Of all the stupid things that are done regularly in the US right now, playing a game which forces you to stay at least 44" apart is pretty low on the list. We also don't know what additional precautions they might have taken to ensure everyone stays safe - but considering it's the US, my expectations aren't high.

Dysartes wrote:...am I the only person flabbergasted at the blatant stupidity in running a GT at the moment? Especially in the US?

You're not the only one.

I'm genuinely surprised it wasn't some kind of computer sim version.

Oh but soups supposed to be dead right?

Sunny Side Up wrote:
No. Looks like 9th Ed. points.

You're right they used 8th ed. battlescribe and left enough points to account for the points increase.

It's one tournament and people already call for nerfs ^^ there is no meta and a huge portion of people can even go to tournaments...

For clarity, a Eldar list made top 8, but the other 3 Xenos TANKED.

Surprisingly fast.
I'll wait for the result at 40stats.com.

Ice_can wrote:
Not truly understanding why custodes are dominating as people say they are I've not found them half a busted as marines in the couple of 9th edition games so far, they still have a hard time vrs T8.

I think its because they don't obviously give any good kill-X secondaries, while being quite likely to max attrition+a kill secondary or two in your opponents list.

Admittedly I keep saying this without much to support it - but its why I think you are going to see a lot of elite-toughness builds do well, at least at the moment.

So it's OK to use Dakka to "bash" or otherwise denigrate a specific geo-political entity ?!?!?!?

Silly me. I thought this was about toy plastic figures. Sigh

No surprise on xenos lists being low.


Almost all armies can win 9th edition missions if they build a specific way but that way is usually boring and expensive.

The reason hoards got hit with points hikes and new rules is because they are a bit OP concerning the missions.

Tyranids, orks, and a few other armies litterally can only do well with massive amounts of bodies that just run and sit on objectives the whole game. With only about 1/3 of their remaining points able to be spend on damage and/or character buffers.

Almost all armies can win 9th edition missions if they build a specific way but that way is usually boring and expensive.

Almost all? It is a bit too optimistic.
I think Primaris armies are very viable but the rest? I guess not.

Gaunt spam and boy spam will easily win againgst most armies in 9th due to the way scoring works. But you litterally have to take 120+ bodies and basically have to just advance full tilt to jump on objectives from turn 1 and on.

If you let your opponent block your movement or if they build specifically with the intent of killing 130 models in 3 turns then you will loose however.

Without knowing what the nid list is, it is a bit difficult to say something. It is kraken, and if it was a stealer shock list... well that's the problem right there.

Gaunt spam and boy spam will easily win againgst most armies in 9th due to the way scoring works. But you litterally have to take 120+ bodies and basically have to just advance full tilt to jump on objectives from turn 1 and on.

This is certainly a viable tactics for DA Boyz.
But scoring starts from the 2nd turn onwards.

 Grimoir wrote:
So it's OK to use Dakka to "bash" or otherwise denigrate a specific geo-political entity ?!?!?!?

Silly me. I thought this was about toy plastic figures. Sigh

Don't be that kid.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Surprisingly fast.
I'll wait for the result at 40stats.com.

There weren’t that many primaris in the lists, it was a lot of firstborn with maybe a couple primaris units.

I don't understand what makes Custodes so good. To me they look like they always had a codex problem, not only points. Has their PA book changed that much how they play ? Or are their lists half soup ?

Also, if this goes on SM players will have to to their own SM tournaments if the other factions want to have any fun, looks like they're still not playing the same game as the others. Genuinely concerned about their first 9th Ed. codex coming October. I hope they'll tone every faction down in the lethality section, I mean the ones that need it of course. So that 9th has everyone on a lower basis for lethality to reduce codex creep a little.

 Aaranis wrote:
I don't understand what makes Custodes so good. To me they look like they always had a codex problem, not only points. Has their PA book changed that much how they play ? Or are their lists half soup ?

Also, if this goes on SM players will have to to their own SM tournaments if the other factions want to have any fun, looks like they're still not playing the same game as the others. Genuinely concerned about their first 9th Ed. codex coming October. I hope they'll tone every faction down in the lethality section, I mean the ones that need it of course. So that 9th has everyone on a lower basis for lethality to reduce codex creep a little.

Custodes always had excellent strats (Tanglefoot, Stooping Dive, etc..), but were starved for CP. Now (especially with the Moment Shackle FAQ), they are probably the faction with the most CP in the game (aside from perhaps having Guilliman).

Their army is fully ObSec and durable, which suits the 9th Ed. Missions very well. They can basically shut off any types of buffs the opponent brings to kill them (ignore AP -1 and -2, Transhuman, turn-off all re-rolls, Shadowkeepers -1 Strength, good-ol Tanglefoot/Swooping to mess up your charges/melee, double interrupt to mess it up even more, re-deploy to get the most from turn 1, etc..).

A lethal army can still whittle them down and/or table them towards the end of the game, especially once CP go low, but the way 9th Ed. works, they'll probably have the points to win and don't care.

This is how the factions were distributed:

6x Custodes
4x Space Marines Soup or Successor
3x Imperial Soup
3x Chaos Soup
2x Grey Knights
2x Blood Angels
2x Nurgle (?)
2x Death Guard
1x Eldar
1x Ultramarines
1x White Scars
1x Chaos Knights
1x Sororitas
1x Tyranids
1x Tau

How are the participants chosen for this kind of events? Do they have to qualify in local tournaments first?

Chaos overall has a good representation, but barely any Xenos showed up.

Wayniac wrote:
Oh but soups supposed to be dead right?

I don't think the goal was ever to kill it completely, there just needed to be a cost associated with it instead of all upside.

There is less soup than there would have been under 9th for sure.

a_typical_hero wrote:
This is how the factions were distributed:

6x Custodes
4x Space Marines Soup or Successor
3x Imperial Soup
3x Chaos Soup
2x Grey Knights
2x Blood Angels
2x Nurgle (?)
2x Death Guard
1x Eldar
1x Ultramarines
1x White Scars
1x Chaos Knights
1x Sororitas
1x Tyranids
1x Tau

How are the participants chosen for this kind of events? Do they have to qualify in local tournaments first?

Chaos overall has a good representation, but barely any Xenos showed up.

The 2 Nurgle Lists are Death Guard and Demons in the same detachment, and are functionally identical to the death guard lists. Difference is they have Nurglings which are absurdly strong atm.