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tneva82 wrote:
Here's btw the devastator sheet in question.

I don't recognize weapon number 20.
Also, Heavy Bolters are Damage 2 and Plasma Cannons are still damage 1. That is weird.

The Stormraven has heavy plasma cannons, not plasma cannons. That might be the reason for the perceived discrepancy.

Alcibiades wrote:
The Stormraven has heavy plasma cannons, not plasma cannons. That might be the reason for the perceived discrepancy.

Does anything else have Twin Heavy Plasma Cannons? Or just single Heavy Plasma Cannons? What I'm wondering is if this was a naming quirk over Twin, or a leftover Heavy from Copy/Paste thing that didn't matter before, or if they intentionally made a Heavy Plasma Cannon and few people noticed.

Heavy Plasma Cannons are also on Dreadnoughts.

They're the "1 mortal wound on overheat rather than death" version of the Plasma Cannon currently.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Heavy Plasma Cannons are also on Dreadnoughts.

They're the "1 mortal wound on overheat rather than death" version of the Plasma Cannon currently.

Why does my brain think they're D6 shots as opposed to D3 currently as well?

the_scotsman wrote:

Why does my brain think they're D6 shots as opposed to D3 currently as well?

Possibly thinking of the Executioner Russ, as both PCs and HPCs are all D3 shots.

And yet still no info on my precious Sternguard and their special issue Bolters!

I'd like to see a Predator and a Land Raider build sheet. I want to know if the Predator AC is changing and if the Land Raider is staying T8.

Sterling191 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Why does my brain think they're D6 shots as opposed to D3 currently as well?

Possibly thinking of the Executioner Russ, as both PCs and HPCs are all D3 shots.

Could also be thinking of the Redemptor Dreadnought's "Plasma Incinerator".

Land Raider, now with extra typos!


LR MMs are 1 shot.

Jesus who wrote these damned things?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Land Raider, now with extra typos!

Spoiler:

LR MMs are 1 shot.

Jesus who wrote these damned things?

c'mon man, you know the answer...


we all know the answer.

Prediction: Oldmarine and "regular" warhammer factions will get the 1 shot multimelta.

Primaris marines and nuPrimaris units will get the 2 shot MM (or some other way to give melta two shots). That fits the data we've seen so far (the Necron multimelta clone only having one shot, now the oldmarine MM having one shot). Not sure about the Devastator MM entry, but I guess a 24" range heavy flamer is pretty cool??

They will balance Xenos/other factions by giving them units like Dire Fragons, that will be Fire Dragons but with ,T4, 3 wounds, and 2 shots each. They'll also have Wecron Norriers, who will be T5 with 3 wounds, and Wirefarriers who are 2 wounds with Strength 6 2 damage guns. They'll be 2ppm more expensive than their oldhammer counterparts.

You can still take your Fire Dragons, Necron Warriors, and Firewarriors if you want, of course. No one is stopping you. That'd just be rude of GW.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Prediction: Oldmarine and "regular" warhammer factions will get the 1 shot multimelta.

Primaris marines and nuPrimaris units will get the 2 shot MM...

Except we know that's not true...

GW wrote:Now, we know that LOTS of armies use these weapons, whether supplied by the Tech-Adepts of Mars or perhaps even “acquired” through less Imperium-friendly means to turn on their former masters. In any case, when Codex: Space Marines arrives in October, every other unit that utilises the same wargear – regardless of Faction – will get their weapon profiles upgraded accordingly.

Hell, the picture they used when describing the new Multi-Melta rules was a Leman Russ.

Hunter Killer missile now S10?

Yes. They are putting the Killer in Hunter Killer Missile.

Is there any other billion dollar (actually 4 billion dollar...) company out there as hilariously bad at proofreading as GW? It boggles the mind that they still refuse to shell out for a decent proofreader or two.

 alextroy wrote:
Yes. They are putting the Killer in Hunter Killer Missile.

Yes, but why? S9 would have sufficed against the vast majority of heavy armour. S10 is only better against T9, which has mostly been priced out of the game, and T5. So is the best target for HK missiles now biker units? I mean, that's fine, I guess, but it seems an odd use for a one shot per game weapon.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Yes, but why?

Because GW still don't understand that the 8th/9th To Wound chart doesn't function the way they think it does, and are still under the impressive than single shot high-strength weapons are the best way to kill vehicles, rather than spamming mid-range, multi-shot, mid-S/dam guns?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Prediction: Oldmarine and "regular" warhammer factions will get the 1 shot multimelta.

Primaris marines and nuPrimaris units will get the 2 shot MM (or some other way to give melta two shots). That fits the data we've seen so far (the Necron multimelta clone only having one shot, now the oldmarine MM having one shot). Not sure about the Devastator MM entry, but I guess a 24" range heavy flamer is pretty cool??

They will balance Xenos/other factions by giving them units like Dire Fragons, that will be Fire Dragons but with ,T4, 3 wounds, and 2 shots each. They'll also have Wecron Norriers, who will be T5 with 3 wounds, and Wirefarriers who are 2 wounds with Strength 6 2 damage guns. They'll be 2ppm more expensive than their oldhammer counterparts.

You can still take your Fire Dragons, Necron Warriors, and Firewarriors if you want, of course. No one is stopping you. That'd just be rude of GW.

Sorry to burst your theory but GW already said these are imperium wide weapon changes. Why would old marines have 1 shot multi melta when even IG will have 2 shot?

Xenos will get whatever leftovers. NPC race. It's surprising even non-marine imperium gets weapon changes

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Yes, but why?

Because GW still don't understand that the 8th/9th To Wound chart doesn't function the way they think it does, and are still under the impressive than single shot high-strength weapons are the best way to kill vehicles, rather than spamming mid-range, multi-shot, mid-S/dam guns?

TBF, they seem more concerned to nerf yeste- years boogyman aswell. it's as if they are 2 metas behind what is the issue, cue the nerf to hordes as if marines wouldn't have banished infantry heavy armies regardless.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Yes, but why?

Because GW still don't understand that the 8th/9th To Wound chart doesn't function the way they think it does, and are still under the impressive than single shot high-strength weapons are the best way to kill vehicles, rather than spamming mid-range, multi-shot, mid-S/dam guns?

TBF, they seem more concerned to nerf yeste- years boogyman aswell. it's as if they are 2 metas behind what is the issue, cue the nerf to hordes as if marines wouldn't have banished infantry heavy armies regardless.

Well, this is what you get when you play whack-a-mole with a shotgun

 Jidmah wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Yes, but why?

Because GW still don't understand that the 8th/9th To Wound chart doesn't function the way they think it does, and are still under the impressive than single shot high-strength weapons are the best way to kill vehicles, rather than spamming mid-range, multi-shot, mid-S/dam guns?

TBF, they seem more concerned to nerf yeste- years boogyman aswell. it's as if they are 2 metas behind what is the issue, cue the nerf to hordes as if marines wouldn't have banished infantry heavy armies regardless.

Well, this is what you get when you play whack-a-mole with a shotgun

If they'd play whack a mole with a shotgun they'd have blown up the whole systems paradigms, aka removed the core issue of hordes and overly effective mid strength high ap weaponry by finally fixing the bloody wound table......
They'd also react faster....

Not Online!!! wrote:
TBF, they seem more concerned to nerf yeste- years boogyman aswell. it's as if they are 2 metas behind what is the issue, cue the nerf to hordes as if marines wouldn't have banished infantry heavy armies regardless.

This has always been the case. I remember when they "fixed" the Wraithlord, long after the combo of Wraithlord + original 3rd Ed assault rules had long since stopped being a problem.

Or when they nerfed killa kanz, lootas, nob bikers and the deff rollas into the ground in 7th edition because they were good in 5th

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
And yet still no info on my precious Sternguard and their special issue Bolters!

The thing from command squad might actually be one, seeing nothing else in the game has similar profile. Or it can be a typo, I guess.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Prediction: Oldmarine and "regular" warhammer factions will get the 1 shot multimelta.

Primaris marines and nuPrimaris units will get the 2 shot MM...

Except we know that's not true...

GW wrote:Now, we know that LOTS of armies use these weapons, whether supplied by the Tech-Adepts of Mars or perhaps even “acquired” through less Imperium-friendly means to turn on their former masters. In any case, when Codex: Space Marines arrives in October, every other unit that utilises the same wargear – regardless of Faction – will get their weapon profiles upgraded accordingly.

Hell, the picture they used when describing the new Multi-Melta rules was a Leman Russ.

Shh, you act like these pesky facts ever stopped beating dead strawhorse. I wouldn't be surprised if in their imagination every intercessor had two multi-meltas, each with 6 shots, which is why they think SM are so OP

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Prediction: Oldmarine and "regular" warhammer factions will get the 1 shot multimelta.

Primaris marines and nuPrimaris units will get the 2 shot MM...

Except we know that's not true...

GW wrote:Now, we know that LOTS of armies use these weapons, whether supplied by the Tech-Adepts of Mars or perhaps even “acquired” through less Imperium-friendly means to turn on their former masters. In any case, when Codex: Space Marines arrives in October, every other unit that utilises the same wargear – regardless of Faction – will get their weapon profiles upgraded accordingly.

Hell, the picture they used when describing the new Multi-Melta rules was a Leman Russ.

Yeah, well, GW also said I could take all my Inquisition units without breaking detachment rules / battleforged.

We really can't make any solid assumption until we have the codex. Even then there might be errors (and usually are).

Although it's not a new datasheet, someone on reddit got their hands on our new repackaged Croissants noted the change in flight stands.

I'm kinda ambivalent about it for now. I guess aircraft flight stands will be more uniform with what we've seen from the Inceptors, Seraphim etc. but I am curious about the strength of the cross connection to the stem.

 Mixzremixzd wrote:
Although it's not a new datasheet, someone on reddit got their hands on our new repackaged Croissants noted the change in flight stands.

I'm kinda ambivalent about it for now. I guess aircraft flight stands will be more uniform with what we've seen from the Inceptors, Seraphim etc. but I am curious about the strength of the cross connection to the stem.

Oh ick that sucks. They're not quite as bad as the small flight stands but they're still pretty much ass and break at the slightest provocation, I've got one of those AOS turtles and it's already snapped off.

I'll trust warhammer community articles as far as I can throw them (which is not at all because they're internet data).

They've been documented as wrong about rules sources more than once. And not just like "well maybe they interpreted it badly" wrong, but like outright incorrect.

So you genuinely think that an entire article that about nothing but upcoming changes to the game was completely wrong?

Quasistellar wrote:
Yeah, well, GW also said I could take all my Inquisition units without breaking detachment rules / battleforged.

The two situations aren't even comparable.