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Just cap it to 6mw total instead of per unit… they didn’t think of split fire when they wrote it.
A bunch of armies have a similar ability..
To be fair kaskrin would still be extremely strong regardless of that change.
The kaskrin bomb is more a meme then anything you can reliably get 12mw split firing which is a bit much regardless even if 18mw isn’t as easy as the Internet wants you to believe.


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Doesn’t the dkok vet squad box come with the extra sprue for killteam right now still? And thus you are able to build dual plasmaguns however it’s not in the rules?

I don’t recall as I haven’t bought the new kit separately.

The Kill Team sprue didn't have the plasma on it. Flare gun, demo charge, medic bag on separate piece, narthecium-doodad, trench club, etc are the pieces from the KT frame.

I'm a little bummed about the change to Creed's Fury. Having a third regimental order is pretty unlikely to be useful, and in practice you'll rarely be giving more than one unit the Strength buff (pretty sure a squad with take aim is better than one with FRF!SRF! and plus one strength).

Moves her from memey goodness to tough call over a basic castellan.

 Polonius wrote:
I'm a little bummed about the change to Creed's Fury. Having a third regimental order is pretty unlikely to be useful, and in practice you'll rarely be giving more than one unit the Strength buff (pretty sure a squad with take aim is better than one with FRF!SRF! and plus one strength).

Moves her from memey goodness to tough call over a basic castellan.

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Wait til you learn of dkok marshal it’s even cheaper

To my understanding, Krieg still cannot take even a single plasma (if I want vox) and only one of each special weapon, correct?

Seems like they just went from barely useable to non-usable compared to cadians. (Coming from Krieg infantry-heavy army perspective)

Robcio wrote:
To my understanding, Krieg still cannot take even a single plasma (if I want vox) and only one of each special weapon, correct?

Seems like they just went from barely useable to non-usable compared to cadians. (Coming from Krieg infantry-heavy army perspective)

Unfortunately so, I believe the Krieg kit is one of the new style "multipart" kits where not all parts fit with all bodies. Each model will have 1, 2 or 3 configurations it can be built in, with the Vox caster's other build being the plasmagun. Thus you can only have one or the other.

Obvious its a trivial bit of modelling to put the gun on a different body but GW is really aiming at the lowest effort hobbiests it seems.

I don't remember having to chose between vox and plasma on my krieg. I had to choose between Plasma and melta because of bad sprue design (curse you A73!!!).

So the vox/plasma thing is just baffling.

If you have a gander on the internet you will see their build instructions.

You are right. There are 2 ways to build a plasma gunner in the KT box. GW decided to limit the vox+plasma combo because ??? reasons.

M.

 Miguelsan wrote:
You are right. There are 2 ways to build a plasma gunner in the KT box. GW decided to limit the vox+plasma combo because ??? reasons.

M.

And they kept the sniper for....reasons? I guess they decided that the blindly suicidal siege guys needed a marksman instead of actual heavy weapons

Would have rather kept demo charge

Looking at battlescribe and Kreig Grenadiers seem interesting, especially now that GW nerfed double special weapons.

Has anyone else looked into them? Hotshot lasguns, 2x plasma and an elite statline for 70pts a squad seems pretty good to me.

Edit: Too good to be true. Whats the catch?

Krieg Grenadiers are legends and can't be used in matched/tournament play.

Jarms48 wrote:
Krieg Grenadiers are legends and can't be used in matched/tournament play.

This is wrong. Legends are still legal in matched play/tournament play as per GW rules. GW doesnt recommend using them, but thats just a recommendation. Of course TOs can decide to exclude legends units with a house rule, but thats their ruling.

BakedWaffleFries wrote:
Looking at battlescribe and Kreig Grenadiers seem interesting, especially now that GW nerfed double special weapons.

I was planning on getting some grenadiers and just using them as Kasarkin. Looks like I won't be able to use any of my Kriegers as actual Kriegers
:( At least my army will look cool but if I decide to go to events I'm going to have to ask permission each time if I can "counts as" Krieg infantry as Cadians and Grenadiers as Kasarkin.

Robcio wrote:

BakedWaffleFries wrote:
Looking at battlescribe and Kreig Grenadiers seem interesting, especially now that GW nerfed double special weapons.

I was planning on getting some grenadiers and just using them as Kasarkin. Looks like I won't be able to use any of my Kriegers as actual Kriegers
:( At least my army will look cool but if I decide to go to events I'm going to have to ask permission each time if I can "counts as" Krieg infantry as Cadians and Grenadiers as Kasarkin.

That’s my plan… also tinylegends is the only site I’ve found for good volleygun conversions for the grenediers.
Heck I’m still on the lookout for a goad lance conversion for my deathriders (anyone spot someone selling conversion kits feel free to share)

 p5freak wrote:

This is wrong. Legends are still legal in matched play/tournament play as per GW rules. GW doesnt recommend using them, but thats just a recommendation. Of course TOs can decide to exclude legends units with a house rule, but thats their ruling.

It's going to be incredibly difficult to find someone to play with using legends units. Seeing as they don't get any kind of point updates, ability, or keyword changes. Even GW tournaments don't allow legends.

So, when were the plastic Guardsman replaced with the officially official Cadians? I thought those were two distinct units, but I can't find the older Guardsmen for sale.

There's just been cadian and catachans in plastic. Cadians got updated models but unlike orks old version ofsame kit didn't remain(then again new cadian kit isn't such a mess as orks were)

I figured they'd keep the old models around since they have distinct rules and an upgrade kit was released for them recently enough.

I imagine they're just reboxing the old Cadian kit and renaming it to "Infantry Squad."

 Bobthehero wrote:
I figured they'd keep the old models around since they have distinct rules and an upgrade kit was released for them recently enough.

Eh they were cadians then, would be cadians now.

There's never been generic model for IG. Just cadians and catachans.

The codex don't have a model picture for the unit entry of "Infantry Squad" its an entry designed for you to use whatever old style models you have to represent the unit.

It not surprising that they remove an old cheaper kit when they release a new more expensive one - just like the old sentinel is no longer available.

Technically the brood brothers Genestealers box is just the Cadian infantry squad sprues and heavy weapon sprue and a cult upgrade sprue…

I can’t see them discontinuing old Cadian sprue when they still need the kit for other units.

gungo wrote:
Technically the brood brothers Genestealers box is just the Cadian infantry squad sprues and heavy weapon sprue and a cult upgrade sprue…

I can’t see them discontinuing old Cadian sprue when they still need the kit for other units.

I'm kinda/sorta expecting a generic "infantry squad" box at some point in the next few years.

Reason why is that there's quite a few missing options across the various boxes.
-Cadians are missing sniper rifles, boltgun option for the sergeant, and naturally the Heavy Weapons Team from their box.
-DKoK are missing the Heavy Weapons Team.
-Catachans are missing basically everything...but they get two flamers!!!!1!!

The upgrade frame that they released for the previous Cadian box, randomly out of the blue? That covered the holes of plasma, melta, sniper rifle, and sgt weapons(power sword, plasma pistol, boltgun). It doesn't fit on the new Cadians.

A ground-up sprue for an infantry squad, including a heavy weapons team and one of each special, isn't beyond the realm of belief.

Ha I’ve been hoping for a penal legion box, that you could use for renegade guard or genecult brood brothers for a bit

gungo wrote:
Ha I’ve been hoping for a penal legion box, that you could use for renegade guard or genecult brood brothers for a bit

Have you seen the Cannon Fodder models from Wargames Atlantic? Male and female options, 24 per box, and pretty compatible...?

No legal penal legion rules unfortunately:(
They also aren’t all that.. it’s more nostalgia for me anyway. I use to play with my last chancers back in third.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Reason why is that there's quite a few missing options across the various boxes.
-Cadians are missing sniper rifles, boltgun option for the sergeant, and naturally the Heavy Weapons Team from their box.
-DKoK are missing the Heavy Weapons Team.
-Catachans are missing basically everything...but they get two flamers!!!!1!!

It's not that they're missing it. GW just made rules for what already existed in these boxes.

 Kanluwen wrote:
A ground-up sprue for an infantry squad, including a heavy weapons team and one of each special, isn't beyond the realm of belief.

They're not going to make any new oldcadian scale models, so do you mean a cadian shock troopers expanded infantry box with the normal cadian shock troops sprues, and then a new sprue that somehow has 1/3 of cadian heavy weapon team sprue A, 1/3 of cadian heavy weapon team sprue B, one sniper rifle, and one boltgun? That would be kind of a weird box. It feels like GW has written themselves into a corner with all the dumb disparate infantry squads where each one is missing certain elements which can't be added without entire new sprues.

 ph34r wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
A ground-up sprue for an infantry squad, including a heavy weapons team and one of each special, isn't beyond the realm of belief.

They're not going to make any new oldcadian scale models, so do you mean a cadian shock troopers expanded infantry box with the normal cadian shock troops sprues, and then a new sprue that somehow has 1/3 of cadian heavy weapon team sprue A, 1/3 of cadian heavy weapon team sprue B, one sniper rifle, and one boltgun?

I mean a subfaction agnostic kit, potentially using The Blooded as the design base. They weirdly went out of their way to differentiate the Cadian design for the Shock Troops from The Blooded for things like the helmets and pauldrons. Might be nothing, might be something.

Either way? I'm not expecting it any time soon.

That would be kind of a weird box. It feels like GW has written themselves into a corner with all the dumb disparate infantry squads where each one is missing certain elements which can't be added without entire new sprues.

The janky part is that Krieg is basically there. They just need HWTs.
Catachans are in line for a new box, period, and I'd expect that to address some of the issues.
Cadians are missing the sniper rifle option to be able to be Infantry Squads and the boltgun for sergeants, and I don't know how to fix that. I'm thinking we might see an updated version of the Cadian Snipers blister at some point though, possibly tying in to the Cadian sniper themed novel coming up.