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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
They're still figuring out the minimum box size required to accommodate 5 water cups and 10 model holders, and how many Eagle stickers they need to slap onto them to call them "Imperium."

First it was “enjoy your 6 boxes of Cadian Heavy Weapon squads LOL”, now this.

Your joke failed miserably the first time, why rehash it in the same thread?

Considering that you didn’t buy a box, why does it even matter to you?

Seriously, and with the best will in the world, you’re coming across as both bitter and jealous.

I’m sure that you are an intelligent person, but you have become irrationally worked up about this topic when you have no dog in this fight.

But it's not a joke. We've confirmed from the WHU box that they really are stuffing it full of overpriced paraphernalia instead of actual models.

Jackal90 wrote:
I love how people are using the term “whale” for a £75 box that contains around £150 RRP.

Outside of loot boxes, 'Whale' is usually referring to people who will buy almost anything and everything that a company produces. GW has a great many of those. These could be at a 20% discount and they'd probably have sold out about as quickly. Even if the consistency of these 'supply crates' is poor, people will still lap them up because, "THIS TIME I might luck out and get stuff I really want, that'll make up for it!"

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
They're still figuring out the minimum box size required to accommodate 5 water cups and 10 model holders, and how many Eagle stickers they need to slap onto them to call them "Imperium."

First it was “enjoy your 6 boxes of Cadian Heavy Weapon squads LOL”, now this.

Your joke failed miserably the first time, why rehash it in the same thread?

Considering that you didn’t buy a box, why does it even matter to you?

Seriously, and with the best will in the world, you’re coming across as both bitter and jealous.

I’m sure that you are an intelligent person, but you have become irrationally worked up about this topic when you have no dog in this fight.

But it's not a joke. We've confirmed from the WHU box that they really are stuffing it full of overpriced paraphernalia instead of actual models.

I'll copy & paste this again - from the product pages -

This Imperium Supply Drop has been chosen by our crafty pickers to contain a vast array of awesome Imperium-themed kits. But just what are they? You’ll have to order your own set to find out…

This Warhammer Underworlds Supply Drop contains lots of Warhammer Underworlds goodies, including accessories, expansions and maybe even more. But just what are they? You'll have to order your own set to find out...

Do you see the difference?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
They're still figuring out the minimum box size required to accommodate 5 water cups and 10 model holders, and how many Eagle stickers they need to slap onto them to call them "Imperium."

First it was “enjoy your 6 boxes of Cadian Heavy Weapon squads LOL”, now this.

Your joke failed miserably the first time, why rehash it in the same thread?

Considering that you didn’t buy a box, why does it even matter to you?

Seriously, and with the best will in the world, you’re coming across as both bitter and jealous.

I’m sure that you are an intelligent person, but you have become irrationally worked up about this topic when you have no dog in this fight.

But it's not a joke.

If you mean that it’s unfunny, tiresome and incorrect then yes, we are in total agreement

 Arbitrator wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:
I love how people are using the term “whale” for a £75 box that contains around £150 RRP.

Outside of loot boxes, 'Whale' is usually referring to people who will buy almost anything and everything that a company produces. GW has a great many of those. These could be at a 20% discount and they'd probably have sold out about as quickly. Even if the consistency of these 'supply crates' is poor, people will still lap them up because, "THIS TIME I might luck out and get stuff I really want, that'll make up for it!"

And that's their choice. You may consider it wasteful, but then many people would find unopened boxes of miniatures collecting dust in the basement to be just as wasteful. We're all imperfect consumers, and claiming some moral high ground is both childish and dumb.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:
I love how people are using the term “whale” for a £75 box that contains around £150 RRP
.

Whale is a wholly appropriate term for someone who throws 75£ at a company willy nilly with no thought or consideration of what they are getting for the money, essentially not buying anything but giving GW money out of habit or addiction.

This.

Don't know about you, but I don't really have £75 lying around just casually to drop on a potential box of crap in the middle of the month. £75 is a big purchase. That is half of what I would spend on food shopping in a month roughly. It is not something you can just drop willy nilly out of nowhere.

But GW knows their whales will bite, just like they bit only a couple of weeks ago for new 40k. Must be nice to have all this dosh and be able to drop hundreds each month. Well, no. I've seen a lot of gamers. They certainly do not have the former but will still do the latter as they're a bunch of addicts, as was evidenced by the numerous posts on Reddit with people asking when GW would reopen. I was like a bunch of junkies trying to get their next fix.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Don't know about you, but I don't really have £75 lying around just casually to drop on a potential box of crap in the middle of the month. £75 is a big purchase. That is half of what I would spend on food shopping in a month roughly. It is not something you can just drop willy nilly out of nowhere.

So don't buy the box?

 Grimtuff wrote:
But GW knows their whales will bite, just like they bit only a couple of weeks ago for new 40k. Must be nice to have all this dosh and be able to drop hundreds each month. Well, no. I've seen a lot of gamers. They certainly do not have the former but will still do the latter as they're a bunch of addicts, as was evidenced by the numerous posts on Reddit with people asking when GW would reopen. I was like a bunch of junkies trying to get their next fix.

Well, it's not like GW customers don't spend money. GW prices are hardly for hobbyists who don't have money to spend on the hobby. £75 for a limited supply box may be too much or too much trouble to get for your average hobbyist, but not for GW's target audience.

Then again, it's not normal for people at our age to spend as much money as we do on the hobby, anyway. There's a good reason why big box stores have only recently carried games over $50 and still do not sell miniatures for painting and hobby paints.

If you don’t have the cash to hand then your mind is already made up, you don’t buy it.
The issue is that you are trying to project your own lifestyle on to others and treat them the same.

Knowing the set is half price, most picked it up to break down and sell on.

That’s not throwing away £75, that’s an investment.


Now, the way you call it a “box of crap” shows a pure bias towards it already.
So you have literally made your own opinion based on your situation and then vented about it towards any that are in a different situation.


Dropping £75 for a return of around £110-£120 isn’t a bad thing.
Now, that’s providing you don’t want any of the contents.

Either way you will break even or come out above the initial price.


Smart investments don’t make someone a whale.
It simply shows they know how to recycle a deal to their advantage.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
They're still figuring out the minimum box size required to accommodate 5 water cups and 10 model holders, and how many Eagle stickers they need to slap onto them to call them "Imperium."

First it was “enjoy your 6 boxes of Cadian Heavy Weapon squads LOL”, now this.

Your joke failed miserably the first time, why rehash it in the same thread?

Considering that you didn’t buy a box, why does it even matter to you?

Seriously, and with the best will in the world, you’re coming across as both bitter and jealous.

I’m sure that you are an intelligent person, but you have become irrationally worked up about this topic when you have no dog in this fight.

Mate, with the best will in the world, you seem a lot more worked up about this than I am. I mean you just wrote like six sentences attacking me for having an opinion you didn't like. I don't think I'm the one who's sounding irrationally worked up here.

If you disagree with my opinion that's totally fine. I obviously disagree with yours too. But making it into some personal sniping fest is neither a good way to post nor a good way to convince others that you're the rational one in the discussion.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Don't know about you, but I don't really have £75 lying around just casually to drop on a potential box of crap in the middle of the month. £75 is a big purchase. That is half of what I would spend on food shopping in a month roughly. It is not something you can just drop willy nilly out of nowhere.

So don't buy the box?

I'm not planning on (nor could I because they're sold out). I despise the concept of "loot crates" and am voicing my opinion on why I think people are foolish for enabling GW and GW enabling its frankly addict customers by dangling this in their faces.

This is a thread where people post their opinions on things, on a board where people post their opinions on things. That's literally what this place is for. Getting worked up because someone disagreed with yours seems like a good clue that someone might need to take a bit of a break and cool down.

It's funny and rather ironic that's it's usually the pro-GW "positive" posters who generally have the most trouble avoiding making things personal and who react most aggressively to people posting things they disagree with.

If you don't think lootboxes are a problem, or you don't think these are lootboxes, or you think calling people who buy this thing whales is inappropriate and not useful (which I kinda agree with), or whatever else...great! Express that opinion in a way that doesn't involve personally attacking people. It's not hard, and people will also be more likely to pay attention to it.

You are so close to self-awareness right now, yukishiro1

 Grimtuff wrote:

But GW knows their whales will bite, just like they bit only a couple of weeks ago for new 40k. Must be nice to have all this dosh and be able to drop hundreds each month. Well, no. I've seen a lot of gamers. They certainly do not have the former but will still do the latter as they're a bunch of addicts, as was evidenced by the numerous posts on Reddit with people asking when GW would reopen. I was like a bunch of junkies trying to get their next fix.

I'll never forget the GW post where they said they were inundated with people asking how they could 'support the company' despite their ongoing record profits and lack of debt, and that the voucher offer was there because people just could not wait to throw money -directly- at GW. At least junkies get some kind of temporary high from their drugs. Maybe GW can start hiring financial dominatrices who wear Primaris helmets and GW staffer tees instead of latex or something.

yukishiro1 wrote:
This is a thread where people post their opinions on things, on a board where people post their opinions on things. That's literally what this place is for. Getting worked up because someone disagreed with yours seems like a good clue that someone might need to take a bit of a break and cool down.

* insert irony GIF here *

If GW bothers you so much, Arbitrator, why haven't you moved on to another game?

 EnTyme wrote:
If GW bothers you so much, Arbitrator, why haven't you moved on to another game?

I have - a few actually. Dakka isn't a GW only forum and I completed my 40k collection years ago.

I don't think we needed two further illustrations of my point; there were enough in the thread already. I will look forward with interest to what actually ends up being in the box, as I'm sure the rest of you will as well. Until then, it doesn't seem productive to keep trying to have a conversation with people insistent on making everything personal.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
If GW bothers you so much, Arbitrator, why haven't you moved on to another game?

I have - a few actually. Dakka isn't a GW only forum and I completed my 40k collection years ago.

You're right, but you seem to spend an awful lot of time in GW-specific threads.

Can we not get this thread locked before we've seen what's in the second loot box?

angryboy2k wrote:
Can we not get this thread locked before we've seen what's in the second loot box?

It would be nice!

Great idea. Lets all move on...

So, if the Underworlds box has models, "scenery", and gaming accessories...what would the Imperium loot box have?

All snarkiness aside, I would not be at all surprised to see things like Crusaders or Ratlings. Presumably something Space Marine will get thrown in - maybe one of the 15 different lieutenant sculpts. Maybe easy to build intercessors? A piece of terrain is a pretty good bet too.

yukishiro1 wrote:
All snarkiness aside, I would not be at all surprised to see things like Crusaders or Ratlings. Presumably something Space Marine will get thrown in - maybe one of the 15 different lieutenant sculpts. Maybe easy to build intercessors?

Easy to build I reckon is a sure thing, 1st born probably , and for no reason a sentinel.

I'd be surprised if they included non-plastic kits. As others have stated, these boxes are usually for things that they have in abundance in storage. Do you really think they have hundreds of pewter models (or more specifically, hundreds of any given pewter model) lying around they've just been saving for a rainy day?

I doubt they'll put metal in, but this seems like an excellent way to get rid of some of that Failcast they inevitably still have lying around.

I think what people forget is that these are not like loot boxes in video games, which are just code and can just be generated as much as possible.
These are physical products, that actually take time to produce.

Again, though, you'd have to assume that they have a couple hundred, say, Warrior Acolytes lying around in order for it to be something they could include in the box for and an entire region, and I just don't think that's the case. I doubt they keep more than a few dozen of any given finecast kit in stock since it doesn't take much time to do a production run if they do get a rush on those things. I just find it far more likely you'd see things like IG heavy weapons teams or the Primaris ETBs they've been making round the clock for the last few years.

Given the return rate due to issues, I doubt finecast will be in it.
It would likely result in them having to run another batch just to replace poor models.

I honestly think it’s going to be plastic kits only.
Given the wording, they make no mention of aids or accessories in the 40k one, so cards etc seem likely to be out too.

Looking at their business model I’d also rule out anything already discounted to them, so start collecting sets I’d say are a no.


My guess would be cadian/catachan infantry, regular marines etc.
I would say easy to build sets but those seem to sell well enough that I’m not sure they’d have massed stock of them.

Due to the popularity before constant price hikes though, a rhino may make it into the box.

Maybe it will be all the stuff they hiked the price up at the end of May to justify the 50 % off