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So, now that Battle Ready standard can potentially win you 10 victory points the definition of the term gets a little more important. Is it defined anywhere in the Core Book? Sorry if it’s in there and I just haven’t spotted it.

Is this simply one of those things where common sense prevails: if you are even playing this rule you just look at the models and agree that a reasonable effort has been made?

Or do you use the description of battle ready from the GW painting guides? In that case they seem to require the use of a technical paint on the base or you aren’t getting the points :-)

See here:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Fest2019-Sat10-Flowchart4ujd.jpg

What is Battle Ready?
If a model is Battle Ready, it means it’s ready to game with. Battle Ready models have their main areas coloured and an simple finish on their bases.

the only thing GW posted was this

Some people will probably come and argue that if you don't use shade while painting or base with transparent bases it won't count as battle ready. I'm pretty sure it means : basecoated, highlighted and based miniature counts as battleready

The only definiton we have is 'If a model is Battle Ready, it means it’s ready to game with. Battle Ready models have their main areas coloured and an simple finish on their bases.'

So no highlighting or shading needed. Hell, you could say that undercoated models have their main areas coloured.

Further you could possibly argue that a 2019 war com article is insufficient to define the meaning of 'battle ready' for a 2020 ruleset that doesn't directly reference it.

If you're playing in a tournament, the painting requirements will be stated.

If you're playing casually, pulling an 'ACKSHUALLY since my models are painted to a GW-Certified Battle-Ready Standard, I won the game, despite achieving fewer in-game VPs', you should reflect on why you feel a need to be That Guy.

Just seems like a complete non-issue to me.

The CA2020 has a definition on it.

"Battle Ready means that your models are fully painted with a detailed or textured base."

It also adds a couple of examples. From those, it seems that base color + shade, or contrast, is the minimum acceptable standard.

Spoletta wrote:
The CA2020 has a definition on it.

"Battle Ready means that your models are fully painted with a detailed or textured base."

It also adds a couple of examples. From those, it seems that base color + shade, or contrast, is the minimum acceptable standard.

Ah okay. But then that means the minimum acceptable standard is 'fully painted with a detailed or textured base' which means shade or highlighting isn't needed (given the examples aren't exhaustive). Which also means GD standard models with plain black bases or transparent ones aren't acceptable.

If you're playing in a tournament, the painting requirements will be stated.

If you're playing casually, pulling an 'ACKSHUALLY since my models are painted to a GW-Certified Battle-Ready Standard, I won the game, despite achieving fewer in-game VPs', you should reflect on why you feel a need to be That Guy.

Just seems like a complete non-issue to me.

Pretty much this. I've never been to, or even seen a tournament that didn't specifically list what was needed to meet their painting standard, and outside of tournaments, who cares? It's pretty much a nothing rule.

 Shooter wrote:
Ah okay. But then that means the minimum acceptable standard is 'fully painted with a detailed or textured base' which means shade or highlighting isn't needed (given the examples aren't exhaustive). Which also means GD standard models with plain black bases or transparent ones aren't acceptable.

So, are you going to be the guy who insists that the GD winner doesn't get 10VP and you do in your casual, non-tournament game?

Like, where does this matter? Seems more like a litmus test for weeding out the WAAC donkey-caves.

No, I'm gonna be the guy that doesn't play that rule because I'm happy playing everything from GD level to bare plastic.

I'm just trying to help work out what the definition is for the OP.

 catbarf wrote:
If you're playing in a tournament, the painting requirements will be stated.

If you're playing casually, pulling an 'ACKSHUALLY since my models are painted to a GW-Certified Battle-Ready Standard, I won the game, despite achieving fewer in-game VPs', you should reflect on why you feel a need to be That Guy.

Just seems like a complete non-issue to me.

Eeeh...gw made that core rule. Not optional. Trying to claim you won despite not having painted army would make you cheating tfg waac.

Complain to gw. They made rule. It's not tournament rule or optional. It's core rules.

Are you ignoring maximum point limit rule as well? Paying cp for stratagems? -1 to hit for moving and shooting heavy with infantry?


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 catbarf wrote:

 Shooter wrote:
Ah okay. But then that means the minimum acceptable standard is 'fully painted with a detailed or textured base' which means shade or highlighting isn't needed (given the examples aren't exhaustive). Which also means GD standard models with plain black bases or transparent ones aren't acceptable.

So, are you going to be the guy who insists that the GD winner doesn't get 10VP and you do in your casual, non-tournament game?

Like, where does this matter? Seems more like a litmus test for weeding out the WAAC donkey-caves.

Gw says so. It's not optional rule. Gw says it's part of gw"s scenarios. Either you make your own scenarios and house　rule it or use it. Or you are the waac donkey-cave

tneva82 wrote:

 catbarf wrote:
If you're playing in a tournament, the painting requirements will be stated.

If you're playing casually, pulling an 'ACKSHUALLY since my models are painted to a GW-Certified Battle-Ready Standard, I won the game, despite achieving fewer in-game VPs', you should reflect on why you feel a need to be That Guy.

Just seems like a complete non-issue to me.

Eeeh...gw made that core rule. Not optional. Trying to claim you won despite not having painted army would make you cheating tfg waac.

Complain to gw. They made rule. It's not tournament rule or optional. It's core rules.

Are you ignoring maximum point limit rule as well? Paying cp for stratagems? -1 to hit for moving and shooting heavy with infantry?


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 catbarf wrote:

 Shooter wrote:
Ah okay. But then that means the minimum acceptable standard is 'fully painted with a detailed or textured base' which means shade or highlighting isn't needed (given the examples aren't exhaustive). Which also means GD standard models with plain black bases or transparent ones aren't acceptable.

So, are you going to be the guy who insists that the GD winner doesn't get 10VP and you do in your casual, non-tournament game?

Like, where does this matter? Seems more like a litmus test for weeding out the WAAC donkey-caves.

Gw says so. It's not optional rule. Gw says it's part of gw"s scenarios. Either you make your own scenarios and house　rule it or use it. Or you are the waac donkey-cave

Aaaaannnd there it begins. Better lock this thread early @mods

Interesting GW haven't taken transparent bases into account. They also say textured or detailed base which would imply a simple colour on the base is not enough it needs to have depth of some description.

As this definition is in CA2020 does that mean there is still no definition for those playing out of the rule book?

Tallonian4th wrote:
Interesting GW haven't taken transparent bases into account. They also say textured or detailed base which would imply a simple colour on the base is not enough it needs to have depth of some description.

As this definition is in CA2020 does that mean there is still no definition for those playing out of the rule book?

technically the default black bases that come with miniatures ARE textured. so no need to do anything to them.

Thats the main problem with this rule : its not precise enough so people are gonna try and read into it so it advantages them (ie : makes them win games)

 Shooter wrote:
The only definiton we have is 'If a model is Battle Ready, it means it’s ready to game with. Battle Ready models have their main areas coloured and an simple finish on their bases.'

So no highlighting or shading needed. Hell, you could say that undercoated models have their main areas coloured.

Further you could possibly argue that a 2019 war com article is insufficient to define the meaning of 'battle ready' for a 2020 ruleset that doesn't directly reference it.

It also means that if you have a complex finish on your base, you lose the 10 points because it's no longer battle ready.

tneva82 wrote:


Gw says so. It's not optional rule. Gw says it's part of gw"s scenarios. Either you make your own scenarios and house　rule it or use it. Or you are the waac donkey-cave

Every rule is optional if you and your opponent agree, and GW have always taken that stance too.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Tallonian4th wrote:
Interesting GW haven't taken transparent bases into account. They also say textured or detailed base which would imply a simple colour on the base is not enough it needs to have depth of some description.

As this definition is in CA2020 does that mean there is still no definition for those playing out of the rule book?

technically the default black bases that come with miniatures ARE textured. so no need to do anything to them.

Thats the main problem with this rule : its not precise enough so people are gonna try and read into it so it advantages them (ie : makes them win games)

No, the problem with the rule is that it's arse slowed to try and make painting a part of gaming.

You don't see the golden daemon having a minimum ITC ranking, do you?

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Thats the main problem with this rule : its not precise enough so people are gonna try and read into it so it advantages them (ie : makes them win games)

Paint your army and the opponent doesn't get advantage.

I am not sure who is more "that guy", the one that wants the 10 VP he is entitled to or the one that denies the opponent from having it while playing grey legion himself.

tneva82 wrote:

 catbarf wrote:
If you're playing in a tournament, the painting requirements will be stated.

If you're playing casually, pulling an 'ACKSHUALLY since my models are painted to a GW-Certified Battle-Ready Standard, I won the game, despite achieving fewer in-game VPs', you should reflect on why you feel a need to be That Guy.

Just seems like a complete non-issue to me.

Eeeh...gw made that core rule. Not optional. Trying to claim you won despite not having painted army would make you cheating tfg waac.

Complain to gw. They made rule. It's not tournament rule or optional. It's core rules.

Are you ignoring maximum point limit rule as well? Paying cp for stratagems? -1 to hit for moving and shooting heavy with infantry?


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 catbarf wrote:

 Shooter wrote:
Ah okay. But then that means the minimum acceptable standard is 'fully painted with a detailed or textured base' which means shade or highlighting isn't needed (given the examples aren't exhaustive). Which also means GD standard models with plain black bases or transparent ones aren't acceptable.

So, are you going to be the guy who insists that the GD winner doesn't get 10VP and you do in your casual, non-tournament game?

Like, where does this matter? Seems more like a litmus test for weeding out the WAAC donkey-caves.

Gw says so. It's not optional rule. Gw says it's part of gw"s scenarios. Either you make your own scenarios and house　rule it or use it. Or you are the waac donkey-cave

See, 'I am forced to claim additional victory points over you in our casual game because the book says so, and if you score 5 more VPs than me you are still officially the loser' is perfectly emblematic of the gaming attitude I avoid, so hearing this right up-front would save me a game. Rule works great.

ERJAK wrote:
You don't see the golden daemon having a minimum ITC ranking, do you?

There are a decent amount of people on here who say that making painting part of gaming is fine, but making gaming part of painting is stupid and shouldn't be done.

It's hypocritical, but that's the view they hold.

jullevi wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Thats the main problem with this rule : its not precise enough so people are gonna try and read into it so it advantages them (ie : makes them win games)

Paint your army and the opponent doesn't get advantage.

I am not sure who is more "that guy", the one that wants the 10 VP he is entitled to or the one that denies the opponent from having it while playing grey legion himself.

i paint my armies, at least to a basic basecoat (haha, airbrush go pssssst). I still played all my games of 9th with 90pts maximum. I dont want to win a game because i have an airbrush to quickly make my army battle ready against the guy that doesnt have one and hates painting. I also don't want to lose a game because i want to try out my converted khorne berzerkers before i received the chain axes i'm waiting on.

a_typical_hero wrote:
See here:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Fest2019-Sat10-Flowchart4ujd.jpg

What is Battle Ready?
If a model is Battle Ready, it means it’s ready to game with. Battle Ready models have their main areas coloured and an simple finish on their bases.

Yep, that's all you need to know. Main areas coloured, simple finish on the bases. The examples are just examples. No highlighting needed, no fancy basing. People are making things way more complicated than it needs to be. If you ever come up against someone who is like "hey! this guy isn't highlighted! no 10 points for you!" you've just found a good person not to play with again.

Of course you should highlight and paint better than the minimum, but the minimum is extremely minimal.

yukishiro1 wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:
See here:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Fest2019-Sat10-Flowchart4ujd.jpg

What is Battle Ready?
If a model is Battle Ready, it means it’s ready to game with. Battle Ready models have their main areas coloured and an simple finish on their bases.

Yep, that's all you need to know. Main areas coloured, simple finish on the bases. The examples are just examples. No highlighting needed, no fancy basing. People are making things way more complicated than it needs to be. If you ever come up against someone who is like "hey! this guy isn't highlighted! no 10 points for you!" you've just found a good person not to play with again.

Of course you should highlight and paint better than the minimum, but the minimum is extremely minimal.

You should if you enjoy painting, or if you're attending a tournament or gaming club or similar that requires you to have painted minis.

If you don't enjoy painting, and aren't going to a place with minimum painting requirements, then you don't need to paint.

Sure. If you and your buddies are happy with the grey plastic pile look, more power to you I guess.

Just like if little Timmy thinks buying and assembling models is a waste of time and money and wants to just play with cardboard cut-outs, that's fine too, as long as little Timmy's buddies all agree.

Technically all rules are optional, no one actually played 7th and 8th the correct way (You are supposed to build your army after you knew what the mission was) but as players we all agreed to not tailor our lists and just bring one with maybe a couple options for pick up games.

You should talk to your opponent first like always, or if in a league or event follow their rules.

PS: Battle ready is just a finish looking model, if it looks cool even 2 colors works. PICTURE FOR EXAMPLE

Spoletta wrote:
The CA2020 has a definition on it.

"Battle Ready means that your models are fully painted with a detailed or textured base."

It also adds a couple of examples. From those, it seems that base color + shade, or contrast, is the minimum acceptable standard.

So if the bases are just painted to mark out which model belongs to which squad, the army is not considered painted?

That would presumably qualify as a "detailed" base. Red detail! Blue detail! Green detail!

no detail, just solid red, blue, grey and green for 4 squads of termintors, and light green and black for strike squads. Characters all have yellow bases, so I can spot them easier.

Rule #1 is don't be a douche.

Solve the issue with your local group in an amicable fashion.

Tbh I think it just means *vaguely painted*. Which I guess doesn't help people who want a hard definition - but really, its pretty obvious I think if a miniature has seen paint or not.

1. Grey plastic=no.
2. One basecoat spray of white, black, red, whatever=still no.
3. More or less *anything* that's a step up from this qualifies.

If people start going "haha, no washing or contrast paint used=not battle ready" then they are awful people you shouldn't be playing with.