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Just got it working on iOS and subscribed, what do you think?

How do feel that subscripts available but the army builder function is not (but you don’t know until you subscribe)

How usable do you find the rules in the way they are presented

How do you feel that all the PA rules are on there so any PA book you have bought you have paid £20 per book for a short story. (I recently bought war of the spider cos I wanted the Fabius rules and am totally underwhelmed by the book)

mrFickle wrote:
Just got it working on iOS and subscribed, what do you think?

How do feel that subscripts available but the army builder function is not (but you don’t know until you subscribe)

How usable do you find the rules in the way they are presented

How do you feel that all the PA rules are on there so any PA book you have bought you have paid £20 per book for a short story. (I recently bought war of the spider cos I wanted the Fabius rules and am totally underwhelmed by the book)

GW have told us at every turn that the army builder isn't ready yet, it shouldn't come as too much of a surprise really. As a non-subscriber it's a mostly worthless app to me at present, it just rounds up stuff I could already access elsewhere.

The app is a waste of time and money. It's clear there was no effective UX or QA work done and at the moment it seems to have just pulled itself out of being utterly useless into the realm of barely useable. In its current state I'd question why anyone would pay any money for it.

For what they're charging I'd expect a lot more than they currently have. They haven't thought about how to present the rules properly - there's no ability to filter by army for stratagems, for example and if you want to look up most SM datasheets you get duplicates because the app treats them as different in different chapters. It's a mess and not worth the time it takes to download it. Given there are other army building apps available I think GW have a lot of work to do to convince people their app is worth it.

FFG released a similar app for X-Wing when 2nd edition launched. It was bad too (not as bad as GW's one, which is an impressive feat for GW) and remained barely functional even after a host of updates. There are other, better, list builders for X-Wing too. FFG have now taken the sensible step of abandoning their original app in order to introduce a new one...eventually. I think GW should be thinking along the same lines.

Brian Cullen(Tabletop Titans) is an app developer and said they sent him a beta copy. He thought they had six months or so before launch based on what he saw. They released it a couple weeks later. That tells me it was a huge rush job, along with a host of other things. I normally am okay with GW products, however this one needs triage. Take it down and start over. Come back when you have a finished product.

I planned to give it a go, but everything I've read (even correcting for the more hyperbolic GW haters) has fully put me off.

I'll maybe give it another look in a few months and see where it's at then.

Still can't even get it to launch on my phone. Not going to bother until they learn to properly design an app.

How do I feel about it?
Slightly amused that so many of you are willing to PAY for incomplete trash atm.

Other than that, nothing really. I have no intent to use the thing. And I'm certainly not going to pay GW monthly for access to rules I've already got.

Doesn't seem to be working on the latest iOS14 beta.

I dont mind paying the price of one latte per month for all those dexes and datasheets, even with the POS UI, but it'd be nice if the app itself worked.. OTOH its my fault for using a beta OS I guess LOL

 chimeara wrote:
Brian Cullen(Tabletop Titans) is an app developer and said they sent him a beta copy. He thought they had six months or so before launch based on what he saw. They released it a couple weeks later. That tells me it was a huge rush job, along with a host of other things. I normally am okay with GW products, however this one needs triage. Take it down and start over. Come back when you have a finished product.

No excuse. Take as much time as you need, and don't release a gak product. Have self control instead of relying on GW white knights to actually defend paying for the app.

tauist wrote:
Doesn't seem to be working on the latest iOS14 beta.

I dont mind paying the price of one latte per month for all those dexes and datasheets, even with the POS UI, but it'd be nice if the app itself worked.. OTOH its my fault for using a beta OS I guess LOL

I had a similar issue with my Pixel when Android 10 was beta. All my apps worked except one. But after a few weeks it worked.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 chimeara wrote:
Brian Cullen(Tabletop Titans) is an app developer and said they sent him a beta copy. He thought they had six months or so before launch based on what he saw. They released it a couple weeks later. That tells me it was a huge rush job, along with a host of other things. I normally am okay with GW products, however this one needs triage. Take it down and start over. Come back when you have a finished product.

No excuse. Take as much time as you need, and don't release a gak product. Have self control instead of relying on GW white knights to actually defend paying for the app.

I agree 100%.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 chimeara wrote:
Brian Cullen(Tabletop Titans) is an app developer and said they sent him a beta copy. He thought they had six months or so before launch based on what he saw. They released it a couple weeks later. That tells me it was a huge rush job, along with a host of other things. I normally am okay with GW products, however this one needs triage. Take it down and start over. Come back when you have a finished product.

No excuse. Take as much time as you need, and don't release a gak product. Have self control instead of relying on GW white knights to actually defend paying for the app.

As much as you're correct, please stop using white Knight as an out of context derogatory term. Unless GW is a woman being hypocritically defended against misogynistic statements ofc.

mrFickle wrote:
Just got it working on iOS and subscribed, what do you think?

How do feel that subscripts available but the army builder function is not (but you don’t know until you subscribe)

How usable do you find the rules in the way they are presented

How do you feel that all the PA rules are on there so any PA book you have bought you have paid £20 per book for a short story. (I recently bought war of the spider cos I wanted the Fabius rules and am totally underwhelmed by the book)

Imo, codex when bought should be FREELY accessible trough the app, without having to pay the monthly fee.

As long as you have to pay to "read" online a codex you already bought, they ain't seeing my money.

Siegfriedfr wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Just got it working on iOS and subscribed, what do you think?

How do feel that subscripts available but the army builder function is not (but you don’t know until you subscribe)

How usable do you find the rules in the way they are presented

How do you feel that all the PA rules are on there so any PA book you have bought you have paid £20 per book for a short story. (I recently bought war of the spider cos I wanted the Fabius rules and am totally underwhelmed by the book)

Imo, codex when bought should be FREELY accessible trough the app, without having to pay the monthly fee.

As long as you have to pay to "read" online a codex you already bought, they ain't seeing my money.

That's how it will work with 9th ed codex they stated. I.e. put code in and access for free.

I paid just to see. I agree - just wait.

It's nice to have quick access to some things and I can't wait until I can do like the AoS app and add datasheets to "my battle" for super quick reference during a game. It does have some of the stuff missing in CA for points like for Moirax so that was handy, but there is nothing to justify the price.

Dudeface wrote:


As much as you're correct, please stop using white Knight as an out of context derogatory term. Unless GW is a woman being hypocritically defended against misogynistic statements ofc.

Please stop telling people to stop using words in their common everyday dictionary meaning in their correct context.

White knight

1 : one that comes to the rescue of another especially : a corporation invited to buy out a second corporation in order to prevent an undesired takeover by a third. 2 : one that champions a cause

BlackSwanDelta wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


As much as you're correct, please stop using white Knight as an out of context derogatory term. Unless GW is a woman being hypocritically defended against misogynistic statements ofc.

Please stop telling people to stop using words in their common everyday dictionary meaning in their correct context.

White knight

1 : one that comes to the rescue of another especially : a corporation invited to buy out a second corporation in order to prevent an undesired takeover by a third. 2 : one that champions a cause

Weird because both Oxford and Collins dictionary only provide the financial definition, which is unsurprisingly also out of context here.

The only way you can apply the term meaningfully is the 2nd definition on the link you provided a cause, in which case the original quote becomes "have self control instead of relying on people championing GWs cause to defend the app" which is nonsensical. Buying into an app has no reliance or dependence on someone else pushing it.

Tl;dr regardless of original use, the intent of throwing it as a derogatory term to lessen someone else's opinion isn't great. I agree with slayers point that the app is crap and needs to be revised massively. But it doesn't need to be rounded out by a vague blind swipe at people.

Dudeface wrote:

BlackSwanDelta wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


As much as you're correct, please stop using white Knight as an out of context derogatory term. Unless GW is a woman being hypocritically defended against misogynistic statements ofc.

Please stop telling people to stop using words in their common everyday dictionary meaning in their correct context.

White knight

1 : one that comes to the rescue of another especially : a corporation invited to buy out a second corporation in order to prevent an undesired takeover by a third. 2 : one that champions a cause

Weird because both Oxford and Collins dictionary only provide the financial definition, which is unsurprisingly also out of context here.

The only way you can apply the term meaningfully is the 2nd definition on the link you provided a cause, in which case the original quote becomes "have self control instead of relying on people championing GWs cause to defend the app" which is nonsensical. Buying into an app has no reliance or dependence on someone else pushing it.

Tl;dr regardless of original use, the intent of throwing it as a derogatory term to lessen someone else's opinion isn't great. I agree with slayers point that the app is crap and needs to be revised massively. But it doesn't need to be rounded out by a vague blind swipe at people.

Weird because Oxford and Collins would probably laugh you out the door with your original definitions straight out of "urban dictionary" and "know your me" over Merriam Webster, rofl.

It makes sense because abstract definitions don't need to be able to replace a word wholly and make grammatical sense.

Sorry about your being able to dish out a little pedantic ribbing but not take it.

BlackSwanDelta wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

BlackSwanDelta wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


As much as you're correct, please stop using white Knight as an out of context derogatory term. Unless GW is a woman being hypocritically defended against misogynistic statements ofc.

Please stop telling people to stop using words in their common everyday dictionary meaning in their correct context.

White knight

1 : one that comes to the rescue of another especially : a corporation invited to buy out a second corporation in order to prevent an undesired takeover by a third. 2 : one that champions a cause

Weird because both Oxford and Collins dictionary only provide the financial definition, which is unsurprisingly also out of context here.

The only way you can apply the term meaningfully is the 2nd definition on the link you provided a cause, in which case the original quote becomes "have self control instead of relying on people championing GWs cause to defend the app" which is nonsensical. Buying into an app has no reliance or dependence on someone else pushing it.

Tl;dr regardless of original use, the intent of throwing it as a derogatory term to lessen someone else's opinion isn't great. I agree with slayers point that the app is crap and needs to be revised massively. But it doesn't need to be rounded out by a vague blind swipe at people.

Weird because Oxford and Collins would probably laugh you out the door with your original definitions straight out of "urban dictionary" and "know your me" over Merriam Webster, rofl.

It makes sense because abstract definitions don't need to be able to replace a word wholly and make grammatical sense.

Sorry about your being able to dish out a little pedantic ribbing but not take it.

I'm happy to be wrong that I defaulted to the most commonly applied modern use of the term in popular society rather than an obscure financial term, I'm old and dumb enough not to care if you want to rib me a little. Just know that from now on a white knight to me will be "one that comes to the rescue of another especially : a corporation invited to buy out a second corporation in order to prevent an undesired takeover by a third" on these forums from this moment forth.

Wow the 40k app destroys minds.

The app was very clearly behind schedule. I will hold off judgement until the army builder is out. That feature is going to make or break the app for me.

ccs wrote:
How do I feel about it?
Slightly amused that so many of you are willing to PAY for incomplete trash atm.

Other than that, nothing really. I have no intent to use the thing. And I'm certainly not going to pay GW monthly for access to rules I've already got.

I missed the point that the army builder is missing but you don’t know how I’m finished it is until you have subscribed, cos that’s what you he to do to do to get the codexes. I mean it’s interesting as it provides the indexes for all the forgeworld stuff. But unless there’s a commitment to put all more rules including white dwarf etc on there then I might aswell screen shot what I want and unsubscribe. And it needs to be searchable so you don’t have to go through every codex, index, vigilus and PA to find all the rules for your army.

I think it’s been rushed to coincide with 9th launch. But that’s no excuse, GW have enough cash to get a bigger dev team.

mrFickle wrote:

ccs wrote:
How do I feel about it?
Slightly amused that so many of you are willing to PAY for incomplete trash atm.

Other than that, nothing really. I have no intent to use the thing. And I'm certainly not going to pay GW monthly for access to rules I've already got.

I missed the point that the army builder is missing but you don’t know how I’m finished it is until you have subscribed, cos that’s what you he to do to do to get the codexes. I mean it’s interesting as it provides the indexes for all the forgeworld stuff. But unless there’s a commitment to put all more rules including white dwarf etc on there then I might aswell screen shot what I want and unsubscribe. And it needs to be searchable so you don’t have to go through every codex, index, vigilus and PA to find all the rules for your army.

I think it’s been rushed to coincide with 9th launch. But that’s no excuse, GW have enough cash to get a bigger dev team.

I agree but it's the lead time more than the number of devs, throwing more and more devs at a project doesn't speed it up the way you'd think, their supporting structure in terms of various specialist leads, product owners, QA team etc have to expand to match and after a certain point the amount of people you need far exceeds the value in output. More time is better, it feels like the app was an afterthought more than they didn't spend enough.

mrFickle wrote:


I think it’s been rushed to coincide with 9th launch. But that’s no excuse, GW have enough cash to get a bigger dev team.

Trust me, just having a bigger dev team likely wouldn't have helped. This has all the hallmarks of the developer not understanding the content, most likely because whoever project-managed this at GW dropped the ball. Simple things like listing stratagems in alphabetical order instead of by faction, or the way full versions of special rules like Angels of Death are repeated on every datasheet are perfect indicators that the developers just got given a bunch of info in one big chunk and were told to "put it in the app". When there's nobody at GW doing basic quality control (because these problem require somebody with an understanding of the game which the developers won't necessarily have) you could have 10 times the number of developers and you'd end up in the same position.

From the dev's point of view, the app works fine other than the original Google drive rules and the lack of army builder. The army builder feature is probably the only thing that would have benefitted from a bigger team. But the features that were available at launch were likely seen as complete by the devs. It's only once gamers use the app you realise how bad it actually is.

So, I'm one of the suckers who subscribed from day one. What can I say? I have a little bit of disposable cash and was curious to follow its development.

As of this weekend's update, the app is now at a state where it should have been about a month before launch. That is to say: usable, but missing some features.

It needs the ability to filter the Reference section and search results by Faction Keywords. It needs the ability to add Favourites. It still has a few minor QOL issues (e.g. when I search for a term, my keyboard doesn't automatically go away when I hit the "go" button).

It was clearly rushed, and I'm sure its development was affected by COVID, but that's no excuse. After all, they teased the development of a 40k app at the start of 8th edition, so they've clearly had time.

That said, it's now at a point where I would actually use the app during games as a reference, so that's something.

It’s still electively unusable on iPad, doesn’t recognise the screen size or that I have a keyboard attached with lots of other compatibility issues.
Had to change to the iPhone to put in details and then switch.

If it at least worked correctly I would consider a sub for access to rules, but with the rules going away in time for paywalls. I am not convinced it’s value will hold up unless the army builder is amazing.

I’ve found that for looking up specific datasheets it’s faster than digging through codexes. But that’s about it. One of my biggest problems with it is that it seems designed for someone who already knows everything they’re looking for. Like if I know the name of the stratagem I want to use, or I know which book it’s in, it’s great. I can look up the stats on a multi las melta super fast. But I have no idea if that weapon is on the unit I want. And if I don’t know what stratagem I want to use and just want to see what’s out there, it’s useless.

Also the resizing thing for iPads was lame in 2010.

Crackedgear wrote:
I’ve found that for looking up specific datasheets it’s faster than digging through codexes. But that’s about it. One of my biggest problems with it is that it seems designed for someone who already knows everything they’re looking for.

I think that's precisely by design. It's intended to be a quick reference during the game, rather than a digital codex.

I think it'll also make a lot more sense when the army builder is activated. Maybe wishilisting too hard, but I envision the roster having all the reference links you need. If it could generate a list of stratagems your roster has access to, that would be awesome.

I subbed to see what it was like, and all it did was prove to me that the 40K team cares no where near as much about their game as the AoS team does.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Wow the 40k app destroys minds.

Clearly another reason to steer clear of the thing.

It's essentially useless to me. I no longer purchase rules from Games Workshop in any format, because while not as horrendously badly written as some on this forum would suggest, they still don't come anywhere near being worth the premium cost that Games Workshop demands for them. Instead, I rely on whatever PDFs I can find online. I would almost certainly be onboard with a paid subscription, if it came with access to all of the rules Games Workshop publish on a continuing basis, even if the cost was significantly higher than what they are asking for now. On the other hand, enough people seem happy enough to pay both the full cost of the books and the app subscription cost, that I don't see why Games Workshop should worry about me; their revenue stream seems to be looking very healthy regardless.

Unless of course, we were all to stop purchasing rules products until our collective demands for value were met.