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Hello,

I had a question building a Tyranid list with the Rule of 3 at the 2000 point level.

Can I run something like this:

3 Carnifex (TL Devourers)
3 Carnifex (Venom Cannon / Scyth Tal)
3 Carnifex (2x Scyth Tals)

Or am I maxed at 3 Carnifexs?

also a second question - if I run Hive Guard: Can I only run one squad of 6 Hive Guard and if I have a second squad of 6 do they have to have a different weapon loan out?

I apologize - I'm not 100% sure where the rule of 3 is listed for 9th edition.

It used to be based off the datasheet, so three units of Carnifex or Hive Guard total irregardless of weapon options.

I thought for 9th it was in the Mission Pack, but I can't spot it - I'll have a good look.

The rule of 3 is listed in the matched play section of the rules. See eternal war missions. You cant have 9 carnifexes, you are maxed at 3, because its the same datasheet.

You can run 3 * 6 hive guard with different weapons.

If you play imperium, you can have up to 49 (!) leman russ tanks, if points allow it, because they have seven different datasheets, and a unit of leman russes can be 3 tanks.

Carnifexes can come in units up to 3 models per-unit. When you set them up they must be within 6" of each other and then are treated as a separate unit.

If the Rule of 3 only cares about Datasheets then yes, you can bring 9 Carnifexes. You could also bring 9 Screamer Killer and 9 Thornbacks for a total of 27.

 p5freak wrote:
The rule of 3 is listed in the matched play section of the rules. See eternal war missions. You cant have 9 carnifexes, you are maxed at 3, because its the same datasheet.

You can run 3 * 6 hive guard with different weapons.

If you play imperium, you can have up to 49 (!) leman russ tanks, if points allow it, because they have seven different datasheets, and a unit of leman russes can be 3 tanks.

Thats kind of similar with carnifexes in particular there are 3 different data sheets in the codex and another in the forgeworld index that come in unit of up to 3 so you can technically run 36 if you have enough detachment slots.

So you can take 3 units of 3 thornback(shooting loadouts) , 3 units of 3 screamer killer (fixed melee loadout), 3 units of 3 carnifexs (mixed loadout) and then 3 units of 3 stonecrusher carnifex (forge World melee anti-building loadout)
For hiveguard when playing strike force and above level games you can have 3 units, and those 3 units can have any available options such as more models in the units or different weapons

 Stevefamine wrote:
Hello,

I had a question building a Tyranid list with the Rule of 3 at the 2000 point level.

Can I run something like this:

3 Carnifex (TL Devourers)
3 Carnifex (Venom Cannon / Scyth Tal)
3 Carnifex (2x Scyth Tals)

Or am I maxed at 3 Carnifexs?

also a second question - if I run Hive Guard: Can I only run one squad of 6 Hive Guard and if I have a second squad of 6 do they have to have a different weapon loan out?

I apologize - I'm not 100% sure where the rule of 3 is listed for 9th edition.

The rule of 3 applies to datasheets/units. Since Carnifexes can be taken in units of 3, you can bring three UNITS of Carnifex, with each unit having 3 Carnifex models, and you're good to go

You can load out each unit however you want, following the restrictions of the datasheet. So yes, the Hive Guard can both be armed the same, or both be armed differently. Your choice.

aldo1234 wrote:

Thats kind of similar with carnifexes in particular there are 3 different data sheets in the codex and another in the forgeworld index that come in unit of up to 3 so you can technically run 36 if you have enough detachment slots.

So you can take 3 units of 3 thornback(shooting loadouts) , 3 units of 3 screamer killer (fixed melee loadout), 3 units of 3 carnifexs (mixed loadout) and then 3 units of 3 stonecrusher carnifex (forge World melee anti-building loadout)
For hiveguard when playing strike force and above level games you can have 3 units, and those 3 units can have any available options such as more models in the units or different weapons

Ok, but technically thornbacks, and screamer killers, arent carnifexes. They are thornbacks and screamer killers.

 p5freak wrote:

aldo1234 wrote:

Thats kind of similar with carnifexes in particular there are 3 different data sheets in the codex and another in the forgeworld index that come in unit of up to 3 so you can technically run 36 if you have enough detachment slots.

So you can take 3 units of 3 thornback(shooting loadouts) , 3 units of 3 screamer killer (fixed melee loadout), 3 units of 3 carnifexs (mixed loadout) and then 3 units of 3 stonecrusher carnifex (forge World melee anti-building loadout)
For hiveguard when playing strike force and above level games you can have 3 units, and those 3 units can have any available options such as more models in the units or different weapons

Ok, but technically thornbacks, and screamer killers, arent carnifexes. They are thornbacks and screamer killers.

Technically the seven different Leman Russ type datasheets aren't just Leman Russes, they have different names. It's a simlar situation here.

 doctortom wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

aldo1234 wrote:

Thats kind of similar with carnifexes in particular there are 3 different data sheets in the codex and another in the forgeworld index that come in unit of up to 3 so you can technically run 36 if you have enough detachment slots.

So you can take 3 units of 3 thornback(shooting loadouts) , 3 units of 3 screamer killer (fixed melee loadout), 3 units of 3 carnifexs (mixed loadout) and then 3 units of 3 stonecrusher carnifex (forge World melee anti-building loadout)
For hiveguard when playing strike force and above level games you can have 3 units, and those 3 units can have any available options such as more models in the units or different weapons

Ok, but technically thornbacks, and screamer killers, arent carnifexes. They are thornbacks and screamer killers.

Technically the seven different Leman Russ type datasheets aren't just Leman Russes, they have different names. It's a simlar situation here.

If you mean the Forge World stuff, then yes. If you mean the Leman Russ Battle Tank unit from the codex, then no, that is not correct. The "Rule of 3" only cares about the actual datasheet, not the names of models. It's why you can take for example, three Death Guard Chaos Land Raiders and three normal CSM Land Raiders, because despite having the same name, they aren't the same datasheet. You can't take three Ultamarines and three Iron Hands Land Raiders because despite the keywords not being the same they are the same datasheet.

You 100% can take 3 units of carnifexes, 3 units of thornbacks and 3 units of Screamer-Killers in the same army. They aren't the same datasheet.

Thanks alright I'm glad

I was worried it worked like p5freak said with a max of 3 fexs.

Thats good to know! Thanks guys!!!

 BaconCatBug wrote:
You 100% can take 3 units of carnifexes, 3 units of thornbacks and 3 units of Screamer-Killers in the same army. They aren't the same datasheet.

Until GW changes that rule in an FAQ.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
You 100% can take 3 units of carnifexes, 3 units of thornbacks and 3 units of Screamer-Killers in the same army. They aren't the same datasheet.

Until GW changes that rule in an FAQ.

Why would they? It's how it worked in 8th too.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Why would they? It's how it worked in 8th too.

Because the person responsible for the FAQs will misinterpret the rule and change it in the FAQ, rather than using the FAQ for what it's meant for (ie. clarifying rules and fixing actual mistakes).