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Hmmm. Resin AND metal? Perhaps I’ll see if I can find someone with a resin printer willing to print a mini or two for a reasonable price.

 Overread wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Re: "unrealistic"

1) you're really going to pick a fight with trying to be inclusive as the "unrealistic" part of fantasy settings? Whether you'e talking magic, dumb physics, alignment, mass, the bizarre way religion and faith work in a setting where gods are demonstrably real, etc. there are about a million other social and practical in-world things (plus metagame stuff like power gaming or stat dumping) to nit-pick before getting to the absurdity of encouraging someone identify with a character that they like, with their friends or, hell, choose a character who needs a wheelchair because they think it's an interesting backstory choice.

2) Orlando linked to their documents outlining why and how they felt wheelchairs fit.

Too add to this, one of the biggest things about RPG adventuring is increasing diversity of the setting. The unleashing of imagination. If you can have dragons and ogors and cubes of moving jelly and a billion other things that the imagination can call up then surely a few wheelchairs isn't beyond the realms of fantasy.

Besides we've many famous wheeled characters or otherwise crippled/disabled ones. Discworld has already raised one in this thread and we can also raise X-Men for having another. I'm sure if we put our heads together we can think of a good few other fantasy stories where not every character is a gleaming pinnacle of robust health.


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 blood reaper wrote:
Thankfully I play with people who all thought this didn't fit their vision of a fantasy world.

In the end surely that's the most important thing? Surely we can all allow other groups to be diverse however they want. Some iwll argue till they are blue in the face that dragons can only have 2 legs and 2 wings; others will argue that they can be any shape or size. Different groups and different games and different stories and settings are all part of the vast diversity that RPG gaming unlocks. Surely we should be ENCOURAGING diversity in all things not limiting it? This isn't just wheelchairs its everything - from wizards to dragons to cave and dungeon design and more.

Groups can be diverse as they want - but diversity of ideas is not a sign the idea is good. It is not an inherent, categorical good. And I think I'm free to say "this looks dumb".

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
something that seems outright dumb and completely impractical.

Honest question. Do you play in a highly realist setting? Do you require rules for fatigue, weather conditions, equipment wear, etc.? Do you discourage "unrealistic" stuff like castles that aren't architecturally sound, towns that don't reflect probable class demographics? If players use the wrong sort of armor for an environment are they penalized?

Ultimately: what is your threshold between fantasy realism vs. outright dumb, and why does it matter to you if someone else's is different? It isn't even like a tabletop miniatures game where you might not like someone's modification of canon (or the designers' modification of canon) and you might run across it in some unexpected circumstance: it's just a game mod.

If you actually read the document, they did a decently thorough job coming up with mechanics that accounted for their fantasy version of a wheelchair. including gear, abilities, designer notes, etc I don't agree with all of it, but they put some effort into it.

No, I don't. Because I recognise realism can be selective. Just because I think someone rolling around a dungeon would be a bit silly does not mean I am going to demand of my players that they do not wear horned helmets. It doesn't fit the aesthetics of my setting, or really any setting I'd want to play in, and I ultimately think it's just a little bit silly.

And why does it matter? Why does it matter if you think something is good? This is a public forum for people to voice their opinions. It matters because it feels silly in an environment where everyone is basically a grizzled soldier running around hacking other people to pieces; the moment you start saying "Ah well, but the chair is actually a magical chair which does X, Y, Z," and is basically power armour, then everyone who is able bodied should also be able to access this equipment and therefore leave the wheelchair bound character in the dust.

And I did; I still thought it was dumb. Effort doesn't mean anything.

Honestly I find it kind of laughable that people are using "imagination" as a justification for this.

Self-inserts are not imaginative. And of course, I trust no able-bodied people will be using these models or rules, since a person who isn't [insert category] playing as [insert category] is extremely problematic.

I have an autism spectrum disorder, but that does not define me as a person, it is not all that I am. If someone were to make it into a huge deal like this, implying that being pandered to in this way is necessary for someone like me to be "included" in RPGs, I would find that grossly offensive. I suspect quite a lot of people with physical and mental health issues would feel very similarly. Those without a Patreon to advertise anyway...

Importing our real lives into escapist fantasies is not inclusion, it's condescension.

I reiterate - if you actually want to help disabled people, just give all of the money you would spend on this silliness directly to the charity.

Love it.

And for anyone who says "that's unrealistic, any society with magic and magical healing would have no need for wheelchairs!", we live in a society with far simpler things that we could fix, yet don't, due to inequality of wealth and negligence of lower classes. As long as wheelchairs are around for us IRL, there is nothing to be lost by featuring them in our fiction. What, do you ban people from carrying swords as they were less common than spears and billhooks "in reality"?

On the actual twitter page where this idea is discussed, I see plenty of wheelchair users happy to see representation and cool interpretations of their apparatuses represented in model form. And frankly, if they like it, that's enough reason for me.


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 Yodhrin wrote:
Importing our real lives into escapist fantasies is not inclusion, it's condescension.

Tell that to wheelchair users who are overjoyed to see this kind of stuff.

For them, escapism might not be "here's your legs!", it's "here's your character being a badass in their wheelchair"! You have no right to declare what someone's escapist fantasy is, especially if that fantasy doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Love it.

And for anyone who says "that's unrealistic, any society with magic and magical healing would have no need for wheelchairs!", we live in a society with far simpler things that we could fix, yet don't, due to inequality of wealth and negligence of lower classes. As long as wheelchairs are around for us IRL, there is nothing to be lost by featuring them in our fiction. What, do you ban people from carrying swords as they were less common than spears and billhooks "in reality"?

On the actual twitter page where this idea is discussed, I see plenty of wheelchair users happy to see representation and cool interpretations of their apparatuses represented in model form. And frankly, if they like it, that's enough reason for me.


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 Yodhrin wrote:
Importing our real lives into escapist fantasies is not inclusion, it's condescension.

Tell that to wheelchair users who are overjoyed to see this kind of stuff.

For them, escapism might not be "here's your legs!", it's "here's your character being a badass in their wheelchair"! You have no right to declare what someone's escapist fantasy is, especially if that fantasy doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever.

Ah yes, because the twitter activist types who're "overjoyed" about this are extremely representative.

Whatever, if you guys want to feel like you're being Good Guys by supporting this nonsense feel free, I just hope you don't offer this unprompted to the next wheelchair user to come to one of your games, I suspect you'd be in for a rude awakening.

Ah yes, because the twitter activist types who're "overjoyed" about this are extremely representative.

Here's the deal, the existence of this line of models harms no one, and if it made one person happy, it made the world a better place by that tiny bit. There is no reason to be upset about this, it harms you in no way.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Love it.

And for anyone who says "that's unrealistic, any society with magic and magical healing would have no need for wheelchairs!", we live in a society with far simpler things that we could fix, yet don't, due to inequality of wealth and negligence of lower classes. As long as wheelchairs are around for us IRL, there is nothing to be lost by featuring them in our fiction. What, do you ban people from carrying swords as they were less common than spears and billhooks "in reality"?

On the actual twitter page where this idea is discussed, I see plenty of wheelchair users happy to see representation and cool interpretations of their apparatuses represented in model form. And frankly, if they like it, that's enough reason for me.


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 Yodhrin wrote:
Importing our real lives into escapist fantasies is not inclusion, it's condescension.

Tell that to wheelchair users who are overjoyed to see this kind of stuff.

For them, escapism might not be "here's your legs!", it's "here's your character being a badass in their wheelchair"! You have no right to declare what someone's escapist fantasy is, especially if that fantasy doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever.

Ah yes, because the twitter activist types who're "overjoyed" about this are extremely representative.

Whatever, if you guys want to feel like you're being Good Guys by supporting this nonsense feel free, I just hope you don't offer this unprompted to the next wheelchair user to come to one of your games, I suspect you'd be in for a rude awakening.

Wow, how bitter must you be to take offense at someone else's fantasy existing? Very sad.

Yodhrin wrote:Ah yes, because the twitter activist types who're "overjoyed" about this are extremely representative.

The twitter folks who *use wheelchairs*? Yeah, I think they are representative. Don't you?

Frankly, if so much as one wheelchair user thinks this is good and they want it, that's enough people in my eyes.

Still waiting for you to elaborate on why you implied that some escapist fantasies have to be a certain way, and that "surely any wheelchair user would NEVER like their character in one".


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Ah yes, because the twitter activist types who're "overjoyed" about this are extremely representative.

Whatever, if you guys want to feel like you're being Good Guys by supporting this nonsense feel free, I just hope you don't offer this unprompted to the next wheelchair user to come to one of your games, I suspect you'd be in for a rude awakening.

Wow, how bitter must you be to take offense at someone else's fantasy existing? Very sad.

I know, right! Yodhrin over here basically saying "who'd want to imagine their character in a wheelchair haha dumb condescension".

Interesting concept and the sculpts look really nice. But I'm not a fan of the designs. The wheelchairs look too modern and efficient (in fact, they remind me of powered wheelchairs like the Hoveround) for the technology level of the fantasy settings they represent. I would prefer sculpts based on the early wheelchair designs, perhaps enhanced by magic to make them more practical.

https://abilitytools.org/blog/history-of-the-wheelchair/

This just my opinion based on personal tastes. If others like the designs, more power to them.

Cronch wrote:

Ah yes, because the twitter activist types who're "overjoyed" about this are extremely representative.

Here's the deal, the existence of this line of models harms no one, and if it made one person happy, it made the world a better place by that tiny bit. There is no reason to be upset about this, it harms you in no way.

I wouldn't use words like "harm", neither am I upset(it's always nice to just imagine anyone you disagree with is an angry-cry memeface though doesn't it, saves you from having to actually consider their point of view), but I do think it's a step backwards in terms of representation. We've gone from seeing tokenism and treating people with disorders of whatever kind as special cases that need to be catered to and "helped" as being condescending and even offensive, to an insistence that people who're different can only properly participate in "normal" activities if what makes them different is not just included but celebrated and elevated.

You see only the positive, but when some well-meaning woke DM offers this to someone who still holds to that previous way of thinking about their disability that can cause some amount of upset. I've seen that kind of thing happen to friends in the past, they felt like garbage for ages afterwards, they felt reduced to their difference and nothing more. It's happened to me even, though only the once since my thing is "invisible" so most of the well-meaning dopes I interact with casually have no obvious reason to blunder about. No matter how nice it makes you feel, this is not an unalloyed good.

EDIT:

ITT - Neurotypical physically able people telling people with actual disorders that they're bitter and dumb because their views based on actual experience rather than reading a couple of twitter replies are invalid.

Genuine comedy.

TBH I believe this would look better in a modern to cyberpunk/scifi setting than in a fantasy one. Things like Xarls Xavier.


But I mean. More options for people, go ahead, if you like it and it makes you day feel a little bit happier the existence of this is allready worth it.

I can agree with Yodhrin that if somebody goes to a disabled person and tells them "Ey look at this miniatures, you should use this!" it would be pretty much inconsiderate. But if somebody in weelchair (Or even people that is not in one) wants to use this then go ahead.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Cronch wrote:

Ah yes, because the twitter activist types who're "overjoyed" about this are extremely representative.

Here's the deal, the existence of this line of models harms no one, and if it made one person happy, it made the world a better place by that tiny bit. There is no reason to be upset about this, it harms you in no way.

I wouldn't use words like "harm", neither am I upset(it's always nice to just imagine anyone you disagree with is an angry-cry memeface though doesn't it, saves you from having to actually consider their point of view), but I do think it's a step backwards in terms of representation. We've gone from seeing tokenism and treating people with disorders of whatever kind as special cases that need to be catered to and "helped" as being condescending and even offensive, to an insistence that people who're different can only properly participate in "normal" activities if what makes them different is not just included but celebrated and elevated.

You see only the positive, but when some well-meaning woke DM offers this to someone who still holds to that previous way of thinking about their disability that can cause some amount of upset. I've seen that kind of thing happen to friends in the past, they felt like garbage for ages afterwards, they felt reduced to their difference and nothing more. It's happened to me even, though only the once since my thing is "invisible" so most of the well-meaning dopes I interact with casually have no obvious reason to blunder about. No matter how nice it makes you feel, this is not an unalloyed good.

EDIT:

ITT - Neurotypical physically able people telling people with actual disorders that they're bitter and dumb because their views based on actual experience rather than reading a couple of twitter replies are invalid.

Genuine comedy.

Funny you should say that, because i sent this to a friend of mine who is actually wheelchair bound. He thought they were cute and a neat idea. Perhaps it's better off to leave it to the individual to decide if they like it or not rather than speak on their behalf.

 Yodhrin wrote:
but I do think it's a step backwards in terms of representation.

And what about the wheelchair users who enjoy this? You're going to tell them that they shouldn't be represented?

We've gone from seeing tokenism and treating people with disorders of whatever kind as special cases that need to be catered to and "helped" as being condescending and even offensive, to an insistence that people who're different can only properly participate in "normal" activities if what makes them different is not just included but celebrated and elevated.

No-one's saying that wheelchair users even need to use these characters though? They're there as an option, an additional extra, which has nothing to do with you.

You see only the positive, but when some well-meaning woke DM offers this to someone who still holds to that previous way of thinking about their disability that can cause some amount of upset. I've seen that kind of thing happen to friends in the past, they felt like garbage for ages afterwards, they felt reduced to their difference and nothing more. It's happened to me even, though only the once since my thing is "invisible" so most of the well-meaning dopes I interact with casually have no obvious reason to blunder about. No matter how nice it makes you feel, this is not an unalloyed good.

You're right, there could be a case where a DM turns around and says "ah, I see you're in a wheelchair, would you like to use the wheelchair rules?" - but this is no different assuming that someone might want to play the same character as their own race, or gender, or anything else. The DM shouldn't be "offering" anything pointedly, but should basically say to the whole table "these are what I'm using for character creation, go wild, and if there's something you want clarification on or want to see added, I'll see what I can do". This is here for players who want their characters in wheelchairs to turn around to their DM and say "this is cool, can I use this?".

ITT - Neurotypical physically able people telling people with actual disorders that they're bitter and dumb because their views based on actual experience rather than reading a couple of twitter replies are invalid.

Genuine comedy.

ITT: People laying down the law on what your escapist fantasies for your player characters can and can't be.

I mean, come on - you have people in wheelchairs on that twitter thread saying they like it. I don't care what anyone else has to say on the matter. What, you're going to dismiss them too?


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 Galas wrote:
More options for people, go ahead, if you like it and it makes you day feel a little bit happier the existence of this is allready worth it.

I can agree with Yodhrin that if somebody goes to a disabled person and tells them "Ey look at this miniatures, you should use this!" it would be pretty much inconsiderate. But if somebody in weelchair (Or even people that is not in one) wants to use this then go ahead.

I agree on that - but that's not that the wheelchair rules/models are bad, that's just the DM being inconsiderate to their players. But also totally agreed on what you've said about "if wheelchair users like it, that's good enough for me".


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Funny you should say that, because i sent this to a friend of mine who is actually wheelchair bound. He thought they were cute and a neat idea. Perhaps it's better off to leave it to the individual to decide if they like it or not rather than speak on their behalf.

I'm glad they think it's a good idea!

Yodhrin, would you care to tell their friend that they're being condescending to their own condition?

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
Interesting concept and the sculpts look really nice. But I'm not a fan of the designs. The wheelchairs look too modern and efficient (in fact, they remind me of powered wheelchairs like the Hoveround) for the technology level of the fantasy settings they represent. I would prefer sculpts based on the early wheelchair designs, perhaps enhanced by magic to make them more practical.

https://abilitytools.org/blog/history-of-the-wheelchair/

This just my opinion based on personal tastes. If others like the designs, more power to them.

That's a nice little thought to consider for design.

I could see these being useful in a moderate level magic setting, or one that doesn't have divine healing/blessings, or any number of various flavors of fantasy. I'd honestly like to see the range of these expanded to include the older style, and some with like 'golem' chairs, where they're all terrain types with legs, multiple wheeled variants, the works. There'a lot you can do with this idea.

Whos' going to tell the dwarf berserker that his legs don't work, so he can't go killing? No one now.

I don't have a problem with these minis existing for those that are interested but one of them is downright silly not because he's in a wheelchair but rather because of who he is and the type of wheelchair he is in.



A dwarven bezerker... in a hand powered wheelchair... wielding double weapons. I suppose if I was a dastardly orc (which are now considered racist btw according to WOTC) then I would simply just take a five foot step away from him after attacking. He'd then have to drop both weapons, move five feet, and spend his standard action picking up his weapons again and not be able to attack. Rinse, lather, repeat until he's dead.

I don't have any issue with mages or ranged characters in normal hand powered wheelchairs but I think that they just put the minimal amount of creative thought into that dwarven mini. I don't have an issue suspending my disbelief to included disabled characters in fantasy/scifi settings but they should at least be true to the setting. Why not give him a reach weapon instead? Or make the wheelchair steampowered? Or on a blood bowl style deathroller since he is a dwarf after all. Heck, put a ramming prow or spinning bladed weapon contraption powered by gears from the wheels on the front of it or instead if you want to keep it hand powered. YMMV but dwarves were on of my favorite races to play back when I was playing D&D and this is just the bare minimum of creativity.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
but I do think it's a step backwards in terms of representation.

And what about the wheelchair users who enjoy this? You're going to tell them that they shouldn't be represented?

...

Yodhrin, would you care to tell their friend that they're being condescending to their own condition?

Well firstly, were I to speak to them, I'd probably avoid using leading questions designed not to provoke a genuine discussion but rather to make a passive-aggressive attempt to paint them as unreasonable.

But I might well *discuss* with them the ways in which this approach to "inclusion" are not as simple and positive as they might first appear, how they contribute to a broader conception of difference that makes many people with disabilities and disorders feel othered, and ask that they consider their views of it in that light. I would also hope they would be discussing "representation" as in the defined concept as it relates to equality in good faith, rather than using it as wordplay to try and score points.

Regardless, I've said my piece, if people need to ascribe some elevated level of emotion and outrage to it so they don't have to have any uncomfortable doubts about them being the Good Guys, that's on them.

Cronch wrote:
Not everyone likes to RP Sir Cookiecutter McWonderbread.

You sound hungry... and that sounds like an awesome character! Certainly more interesting than some of the pregens I've had to choose from at conventions.

 warboss wrote:
I don't have a problem with these minis existing for those that are interested but one of them is downright silly not because he's in a wheelchair but rather because of who he is and the type of wheelchair he is in.



A dwarven bezerker... in a hand powered wheelchair... wielding double weapons. I suppose if I was a dastardly orc (which are now considered racist btw according to WOTC) then I would simply just take a five foot step away from him after attacking. He'd then have to drop both weapons, move five feet, and spend his standard action picking up his weapons again and not be able to attack. Rinse, lather, repeat until he's dead.

I don't have any issue with mages or ranged characters in normal hand powered wheelchairs but I think that they just put the minimal amount of creative thought into that dwarven mini. I don't have an issue suspending my disbelief to included disabled characters in fantasy/scifi settings but they should at least be true to the setting. Why not give him a reach weapon instead? Or make the wheelchair steampowered? Or on a blood bowl style deathroller since he is a dwarf after all. Heck, put a ramming prow or spinning bladed weapon contraption powered by gears from the wheels on the front of it or instead if you want to keep it hand powered. YMMV but dwarves were on of my favorite races to play back when I was playing D&D and this is just the bare minimum of creativity.

I was just planning to add a ram pulling his chair or put some boilers and pipes on the back for “dwarfy” steam power. Someone jot read mentioned ski pole-type contraptions. There are ways to make him just practical enough.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

I was just planning to add a ram pulling his chair or put some boilers and pipes on the back for “dwarfy” steam power. Someone jot read mentioned ski pole-type contraptions. There are ways to make him just practical enough.

Sounds great (either one). Personally I think the steam powered chair is better for in game real world practical reasons (still fits on a 25mm base) and just adding bits to the back even without removing the torch should be fine; it could be the pilot light for the steam boiler! It doesn't take much effort to make it fit into a fantasy setting and I'm surprised the sculptor didn't.

Anyone complaining that this is unrealistic needs to take a chill pill and watch this very detailed documentary on the history of Japan called Robo-Geisha to see that this exists IN ACTUAL REAL LIFE FOR REAL! (at 2:00)


More to the point, I'm never going to buy, or try to convince others to buy those, but I'm never going to object, or comment negatively on those if someone bring them for a game. I don't think much more needs to be said. No need to go on a crusade against people enjoying their escapism WRONGLY imo!!!

These look cool and a great idea.

If you’re spending your time telling people why they shouldn’t like these or that they shouldn’t exist then maybe just accept they’re not for you and step away from the keyboard.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
If you’re spending your time telling people why they shouldn’t like these or that they shouldn’t exist then maybe just accept they’re not for you and step away from the keyboard.

If there is anything the covid thread has taught us, there is a bottomless market for a single poster to make up 10-20% of the total posts in a thread with "I'm not triggered, you are" over and over again until it's finally locked.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Okay. Sure is nice of the evil overlord to construct their dungeon of doom and secret lair to modern accessibility standards...

I mean what if the Dark Lord is also in weelchair? Or what if the weelchar bound Dark Lord's mother wants to visit. He might be evil, but even evil has a mom.

PS: Those mini are really well done.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

john_chandler wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

john_chandler wrote:
Dumb question, but I'm assuming they're 28mm?

I can't see the scale stated anywhere, but they're STLs so you should be able to re-size them.

True, but I was thinking of the metal/resin versions.

i'm sure they'll be in the 28-35mm range most D&D stuff is, but as you say there's nothing on the website to say that I can see,

I've messaged them to ask and will report back

They've got back to me and the minis are on 25mm bases, so that should give you an idea of the size

Jesus, this thread is depressing.


The minis, on the other hand, are fantastic.

 warboss wrote:

A dwarven bezerker... in a hand powered wheelchair...

Is it? Or is it an ensorcelled chair that moves under its own power, and responds to his commands. Usually... But maybe not always, because it's semi - intelligent and not particularly obedient?

It's fantasy. A chair doesn't have to be just a chair.

As someone with Spinal Muscular Atrophy, confined to a wheelchair all of my life, let me say how woefully disappointed I am in a chunk of this forum right now.

My disability should've condemned me to a socio-economically miserable life for countless institutional reasons. It was 100% the power of imagination which liberated me, and took me everywhere from Hollywood to the game industry. Writing stories told from the imagination gave me a wonderful life and my respect and devotion to games and fiction of all sorts is rules my life.

Models like this are magnificent, and can be incredibly empowering, especially for younger disabled people who are frequently made to feel like there is no place for them. To deny their merits to not to intelligently challenge hyper-wokeness, or whatever someone may call it, rather it just exposes you as an donkey-cave, belligerent, piece of crap.

If they aren't to your personal liking... that's totally reasonable, but to dismiss them outright says far more about the few loud folks here who have gotten themselves so very worked up.

Now, I will gladly go order a set, along with extras i'll make sure to give away here on Dakkadakka, as gamers of every ilk should feel wanted and welcome.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:


And for anyone who says "that's unrealistic, any society with magic and magical healing would have no need for wheelchairs!", we live in a society with far simpler things that we could fix, yet don't, due to inequality of wealth and negligence of lower classes. As long as wheelchairs are around for us IRL, there is nothing to be lost by featuring them in our fiction. What, do you ban people from carrying swords as they were less common than spears and billhooks "in reality"?

Gosh, what is "Negligence of lower classes" supposed to mean? I think you need to take some more intersectionality classes if you think it's proper to classify certain sections of society as "lower" and believe that their grading is caused by their negligence, or if you see the position of the lowers as due to the "Neglect" of the highers and middlers, what with the lowers lacking in agency and competence. Both ideas seem a bit gross imo.

This is awesome, I refer naysayers to Brandon Stark - did the whole quest without the wheelchair, had to unlock time travel spell before he could get the crafting plans for it, most unreasonable DM ever!

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:As someone with Spinal Muscular Atrophy, confined to a wheelchair all of my life, let me say how woefully disappointed I am in a chunk of this forum right now.

My disability should've condemned me to a socio-economically miserable life for countless institutional reasons. It was 100% the power of imagination which liberated me, and took me everywhere from Hollywood to the game industry. Writing stories told from the imagination gave me a wonderful life and my respect and devotion to games and fiction of all sorts is rules my life.

Models like this are magnificent, and can be incredibly empowering, especially for younger disabled people who are frequently made to feel like there is no place for them. To deny their merits to not to intelligently challenge hyper-wokeness, or whatever someone may call it, rather it just exposes you as an donkey-cave, belligerent, piece of crap.

If they aren't to your personal liking... that's totally reasonable, but to dismiss them outright says far more about the few loud folks here who have gotten themselves so very worked up.

Now, I will gladly go order a set, along with extras i'll make sure to give away here on Dakkadakka, as gamers of every ilk should feel wanted and welcome.

I am so glad that you enjoy these. Like, if there's ANYONE that really gets a say on how "valuable" these are, it's you - and that they empower you and make you feel like you belong? That's a great success.

JWBS wrote:Gosh, what is "Negligence of lower classes" supposed to mean?

You know what it means, even if my wording is improper. Disparity of wealth being withheld from the majority of the population, and left to suffer while others profit.

But, I think that's a bit too political for Dakka's rules, so I'll leave it at that. TL;DR - anyone saying "your character could just use magic and fix all their problems!" has the same energy as "you could just have surgery for your medical condition!"

JWBS wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:


And for anyone who says "that's unrealistic, any society with magic and magical healing would have no need for wheelchairs!", we live in a society with far simpler things that we could fix, yet don't, due to inequality of wealth and negligence of lower classes. As long as wheelchairs are around for us IRL, there is nothing to be lost by featuring them in our fiction. What, do you ban people from carrying swords as they were less common than spears and billhooks "in reality"?

Gosh, what is "Negligence of lower classes" supposed to mean? I think you need to take some more intersectionality classes if you think it's proper to classify certain sections of society as "lower" and believe that their grading is caused by their negligence, or if you see the position of the lowers as due to the "Neglect" of the highers and middlers, what with the lowers lacking in agency and competence. Both ideas seem a bit gross imo.

No to put words in his mouth, but the apparent “obvious” meaning is the lack of care or attention given to people of lower socioeconomic standing. I think—although I cannot be sure— you are most likely coming from a similar place and misunderstanding a turn of phrase.

Edit: ninja