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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 16:11:52
Subject: Using different models
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A whirlwind is not a razorback. It has a fixed appearance. Now if you took a razorback and removed the turret and replaced it with a custom turret you had created from bits that is obviously a whirlwind... presumably nobody would have an issue.
Every daemon prince is a unique individual different from every other one. They vary wildly in appearance in the lore and no two look the same. The fact that GW lazily doesn't provide the tools to simulate that (they'd rather release 11 different space marine lieutenants...) and instead just put out a Diablo knock-off clone model doesn't mean that it's unreasonable to take the lore seriously and create your own custom daemon prince the way they are supposed to be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 17:16:40
Subject: Using different models
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
Aachen
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yukishiro1 wrote:A whirlwind is not a razorback. It has a fixed appearance. Now if you took a razorback and removed the turret and replaced it with a custom turret you had created from bits that is obviously a whirlwind... presumably nobody would have an issue.
If you remove a whirlwinds turret and replace it with a Razorback turret, it's a Razorback. It's literally the same model, aside from the turret.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 17:22:50
Subject: Using different models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yes, I realize that. My point was that if you wanted to use a converted turret instead, that'd be fine too. Nobody would care as long as it was recognizable as a whirlwind turret.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 17:28:04
Subject: Using different models
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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And yet, the OP's question basically was whether it is OK to use a the whirlwind model sold by GW as an iron hands whirlwind.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 17:54:43
Subject: Using different models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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About 20 people have already pointed that out (myself included); we've gone beyond that discussion now.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/08/22 17:55:10
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 18:29:38
Subject: Using different models
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Dakka Veteran
South Africa
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Grimtuff wrote:
Yeah, like many things on the internet there is a lot of things overblown. No, Reddit; someone using reasonable “counts as” is not confusing for the opponent. I see far too many potential great conversion ideas get shot down on certain subs as people continue to perpetuate this falsehood.
I’ve used plenty of “counts as” in various armies and have had no confusion. As long as it is obvious from the context of the army (like your examples above. I can see without even looking it is a TS or Tzeentchian army of some description) people will not be confused. “Counts as” is like literally my favourite rule in 40k, though I have seen people abuse it that is not the norm. Don’t be afraid to embrace converting and kitbashing OP.
I'm not familiar enough with all the GW armies to even be able to say what's "counts as" and what's "legitimate".
That big tank that's a Baneblade? Cool. That evil looking winged monstrosity in your Chaos army is a Daemon? Sweet. The bigger one is a Daemon Prince? Double sweet. That insect is a Tyranid Termigauntanafex? Sweet. My assault Marines charge it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 19:43:12
Subject: Using different models
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Leaving aside the already explained fact that the described model *is* a DP already... the key threshold to cross IMO is the standard and appropriateness of the modelling.
If it looks like a proxy or a cheap stand-in, like 'uhhh this ogre is a daemon prince because I just slapped some Nurgley slime on him', no bueno.
If it looks like a logical alternative way that unit might appear on a battlefield, like 'this ogre is a daemon prince because I've converted him to wear mutated remnants of Death Guard power armour, given him a daemonweapon from the Blightkings kit, and given him a properly themed paint job', cool.
It should be obvious what it is when you put it on the table and not require any further explanation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/22 23:04:23
Subject: Re:Using different models
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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Yikes, that got a bit out of hand. All I wanted to point out was that the standpoint here needs to be more nuanced than "it's fine if it's an official GW model", and I think soviet13's examples summed the point up nicely.
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/23 19:18:51
Subject: Using different models
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Faithful Squig Companion
Aloha, Oregon
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piggybacking off of OP -
Would you guys have a problem with someone fielding a GW LOTR War Mumak as either a squiggoth or a snakebites battlewagon? They look pretty damn close in size but I haven't been able to find a good comparison between the two.
I'd rather be fielding a gargsquig but I have yet to see a convincing proxy for it in the GW catalogue and I refuse to spend 350+ on a single model.
Also the mumak is a bit cheaper than the lil squiggoth is.
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Nurglitch wrote:Roboute Guilliman was dead for most of his career. He got better. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/23 19:57:04
Subject: Using different models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Assuming you made it orky with added bits, put it on the right base, and that it is actually roughly the same size? 99% of people are going to say "cool!"
If you just slap the model down without any changes because you use it in LOTR too and don't want to modify it? Not so great. Still fine with lots of people, but some people are going to give you the side-eye, and you can see why.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 06:03:06
Subject: Using different models
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Luckily none of those models have bases.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 06:12:00
Subject: Using different models
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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CptMendoza wrote:piggybacking off of OP -
Would you guys have a problem with someone fielding a GW LOTR War Mumak as either a squiggoth or a snakebites battlewagon? They look pretty damn close in size but I haven't been able to find a good comparison between the two.
I'd rather be fielding a gargsquig but I have yet to see a convincing proxy for it in the GW catalogue and I refuse to spend 350+ on a single model.
Also the mumak is a bit cheaper than the lil squiggoth is.
The Mumak is in between the size of a Squiggoth/Battlewaggon and a Gargantuan Squiggoth. You'd probably be all right with a Mumak as a Battlewaggon given that the greater height is mostly a disadvantage and the footprint is pretty similar (a little bigger on the base). You might manage Mumak as Gargantuan Squiggoth if you built it up with orky armour plating or a really big howdah or the like.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 06:16:15
Subject: Using different models
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Dakka Veteran
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CptMendoza wrote:piggybacking off of OP -
Would you guys have a problem with someone fielding a GW LOTR War Mumak as either a squiggoth or a snakebites battlewagon? They look pretty damn close in size but I haven't been able to find a good comparison between the two.
I'd rather be fielding a gargsquig but I have yet to see a convincing proxy for it in the GW catalogue and I refuse to spend 350+ on a single model.
Also the mumak is a bit cheaper than the lil squiggoth is.
For me, that would be perfectly fine. And, in fact, if it looks orky, I would love it. I don't know how large a Gargantuan Squiggot is supposed to be but I guess it's on the same range. And besides, both models will be pretty large so it doesn't matter that much to me.
Perhaps some hardcore tournament players care more for precision in that regard, but to the vast majority of players, it's just a cool-looking model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 09:23:28
Subject: Using different models
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Fixture of Dakka
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CptMendoza wrote:piggybacking off of OP -
Would you guys have a problem with someone fielding a GW LOTR War Mumak as either a squiggoth or a snakebites battlewagon? They look pretty damn close in size but I haven't been able to find a good comparison between the two.
I'd rather be fielding a gargsquig but I have yet to see a convincing proxy for it in the GW catalogue and I refuse to spend 350+ on a single model.
Also the mumak is a bit cheaper than the lil squiggoth is.
The mumak is;
A) quite a bit bigger than the lil squiggoth,
B) vastly smaller than the gargantuan squiggoth. It's not even close.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/08/24 11:16:18
Subject: Using different models
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Dakka Veteran
South Africa
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A Mumakasquigagoth? Sweet. My Assault Marines charge it.
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