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Note that I'm not an ork player so I'm not saying that they should or should not. From what I've read, the base infantry for the orks is quite old, and there are complaints that they should deserve an update. As far as I know, they don't have tin man models like the eldar do, but still. However, looking at them, they look pretty detailed and hold up well to new models like the buggies and Ghaz. That being said, having an entire line as old as they are I don't think set a good standard. What do you think, should the base of the ork line be remade or not?

The Boyz kit is fine. Eldar, guard, and a couple other lines need it much more badly.

Personally I think the Ork boyz kit is perfect. It has all the options, cool looking weapons and the miniatures are also simple enough for a horde. The price is also okay for a GW kit.
I fear that the Orks could suffer the CSM problem: A new kit will be double the price, have 7 sluggas/choppas and 3 shootas, one big shoota, one burna, no rokkit because that's reserved for the new tankbustaz and a new CC weapon you can only get in that kit and is straight up better than claw and big choppa . The unit will also have monopose bodies where you can only change the head.
One unit of those new Orks will look awesome but you'll have clone troopers if you buy more than one.
So with that possibility - leave the Ork kit alone.

However, we need actual new kits for Kommandoz and tankbustaz as these are still failcast. So you have to scout ebay to find proper metal models of them. Because nobody wants to deal with failcast.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Note that I'm not an ork player so I'm not saying that they should or should not. From what I've read, the base infantry for the orks is quite old, and there are complaints that they should deserve an update. As far as I know, they don't have tin man models like the eldar do, but still. However, looking at them, they look pretty detailed and hold up well to new models like the buggies and Ghaz. That being said, having an entire line as old as they are I don't think set a good standard. What do you think, should the base of the ork line be remade or not?

Most of the Ork line is actually ~relatively new, particularly now that they've replaced the old Buggies and Trakks. I think the basic Boys are just fine, while they're not the newest kits, there's nothing wrong with them and they're substantially newer than many other troop models (Cadians, Guardians, Berserkers, Catachans, etc).

Truthfully, a new Boyz kit would be a tossup. You might get an Ossiarch 20 model kit but with limited posing and some slight tweaking to the unit options...or you could get a 10 model kit that builds MOAR!!11! options and poses.

Anyways, I think we're more likely to be seeing a big push for Snakebite style Orks soon. There's a blurb in "Pariah" that hints towards Space Wolves on Armageddon tracking feral Orks with a Squiggoth despite claims there are no Orks in that region of Armageddon.

Well...The kit looks good so not looking forward to new kit that would>

a) remove posability and make things harder to scratch build.
b) increase price. It's now 22.5£ for 10 orks(plus nob). New kit would be 32.5£ for 10 as bare MINIMUM. Could even get another price increase round for 35£ for 10...

No, the base Ork boyz kit is fine. Any new box is likely to just inflate the price further for no real value (IMO), and a lot of the other base kits like the burna/loota kit is made so you can kitbash between the two, so it would likely make those two kits incompatible depending on how far they want to change the kit.

The main issue with the Ork product line is the problematic and systematic removal of HQ options, with things like the Big Mek with KFF no longer having an official model available on the store (the mega armour one is not the same, just FYI), we only have the Warboss on foot option that is technically a named character from back in 7th ed that got genericized to the be the placeholder for the old AoBR Warboss, whereas before we at least had a biker and MA version of him. Then we have a few kits that remain in limbo, like Deffkoptas who should have had a new plastic kit a long time ago, alongside tankbustas/kommandos.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Note that I'm not an ork player so I'm not saying that they should or should not. From what I've read, the base infantry for the orks is quite old, and there are complaints that they should deserve an update. As far as I know, they don't have tin man models like the eldar do, but still. However, looking at them, they look pretty detailed and hold up well to new models like the buggies and Ghaz. That being said, having an entire line as old as they are I don't think set a good standard. What do you think, should the base of the ork line be remade or not?

No, most of the plastic models in the line are great. What the line needs is to replace the HQ's we lost to legends and plastics for the few metal/finecast models we have left.

Given that new kits these days seem to result in the systematic removal of options, if I was an Ork player I might well be hoping that the current models would stick around as long as possible.

I think Orks need replacements for their remaining metal and finecast more then they need resculpts.

We need more HQ's back, and we need more new options! about the only models I can see needing replacing are the old defkoptas, which are still 2nd or 3rd edition sculpts, and metal!


I'd like a biker boss box, and a biker mek/painboy box (can be combined)

I'd also like to see cyborks as an option - 'arder, metal nobs the size of ogryns, which would fill the primaris-type role (2 wounds, 3+ save, not slow as hell).

I would love to see some more crazy kits or upgrades come out for more crazy ork fun - jump-dreads or kans with massive rokkit boosters, for example.

also, squiggoths, and more snakebite-style orks! orks need their monsters now!

What we really need are new kits for our HQs.

You cant buy a warboss by himself unless you order it online from GW and even then you get a monopose metal model. Most people use Grukk (who only comes in a box with nobz as well), or the old AOBR warboss.

Weirdboy is still finecast I believe

No KFF big mek kit despite it being one of our best HQs

Ghaz is good

Wartrike - Only HQ you can actually buy in a GW store

It's mainly the HQs, let's face it. Not just converting metal/finecast to plastic, but also to bring in more variety since apart from the special characters, there's only one Warboss model...! Only one Weirdboy and one Painboy from what I can see, too.

Aside from that the units that look like they need an update most are Tankbustas, and Deffkoptas. Of those two Deffkoptas need it more, actually, since they can be fielded in packs and there's only one model - meaning you need to convert to have any variation. Though I suspect Tankbustas would be much easier since really you're just looking at 5 existing plastic Boyz with extra weapons and bitz on the sprue.

...what I'd really like to see - though I doubt it'll happen - is rather than mess with the existing Boyz box, release upgrade packs for the different clans, similar to how Marine Chapters have Primaris packs. That way you can make your Goffs look a bit different from your mate's Snakebites, for example.

Need is irrlevant

Do we Need more Primaris lts?

Now if GW want to re-sell Orks they may feel they want to remake them - same as Marines, or they might do mroe for another race/faction idf they think that will d better.

Think more along the lines of:

What used to be cool for old school Orks that GW don't (and others don't) make - so maybe Cyboars.....
They have flyers, big stuff and pretty much eveything else so it would need to be a full relaunch or a whole new concept

Really? Complaining about lieutenants, still?

No the base Ork models are great, definitely don't need a resculpt.

Additional Warbose options would be excellent though.

None of the ork plastic models need any update.

People claiming ork boyz need an upgrade simply don't know what they are talking about.

I'd like a plastic Warboss, KFF Big Mek, Weirdboy, Kommandos, and Tankbusta kit. A new Mega Armor Warboss kit, a kit for characters on bikes, Deffkoptas box, looted tanks released in some sort of official form for matched play.

I'm perfectly fine with basic Boyz staying the same atm.

I don't see any reason Orks should be updated, beyond as mentioned, more plastic HQ's.
Boy are holding up and GW did or dose sell push together boys left over from a starter set. If anything GW needs to put 20 of those in a box to help Ork players get their armies assembled just a little faster.
A new kit with more options would seem to be a bit of a joke if 90% of those options just look cool but do nothing of value for the player on the table top.
Most of what the Orks need is always units/codex related and usually the Stompa. Maybe we'll get lucky this next time?

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Note that I'm not an ork player so I'm not saying that they should or should not. From what I've read, the base infantry for the orks is quite old, and there are complaints that they should deserve an update. As far as I know, they don't have tin man models like the eldar do, but still. However, looking at them, they look pretty detailed and hold up well to new models like the buggies and Ghaz. That being said, having an entire line as old as they are I don't think set a good standard. What do you think, should the base of the ork line be remade or not?

The bulk? No. There are definitely some holes to fill and some kits that are absurdly poor value (even by GW standards), but in terms of plastic model support, Orks are sadly in fairly good shape (rules need work, though). Several armies are much, much worse off.

GW could put a month or two into filling the outstanding gaps in Orks, Tyranids and Chaos, and then settle in and pull whatever major fix they've got in mind for Eldar. That, to my mind is where the work really needs to go right now. Eldar are a mess in terms of both rules and models. Its been such a ridiculously long time, and eldar really need to be revisited before they switch tracks away from this promised 'major overhaul.'

'nids and chaos don't have toooo many gaps as it stands, chaos simply needs new noise marines, Bezerkers and characters and 'nids need like 1 or 2 new models. so yeah that'd be reasonably easy to do

Orks need the HQ gaps in their line filled, and a few of the older kits replaced (Tankbustaz, Kommandoz) with plastic alternatives.

As others have said, replacing the Boyz kit is a "be careful what you wish for" scenario.

Cortez put it best:

"A new kit will be double the price, have 7 sluggas/choppas and 3 shootas, one big shoota, one burna, no rokkit because that's reserved for the new tankbustaz and a new CC weapon you can only get in that kit and is straight up better than claw and big choppa . The unit will also have monopose bodies where you can only change the head."

So let's leave the Boyz alone and get some of the other kits redone.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
That being said, having an entire line as old as they are I don't think set a good standard.

Why does the age of the models matter?

Surely whether or not they're actually good is a more important metric...



For my money, the orks released over the last few editions haven't been as good as the third edition releases. I hate the new face style. So I'd much rather keep those Nelson sculpts that are left in the range.

 insaniak wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
That being said, having an entire line as old as they are I don't think set a good standard.

Why does the age of the models matter?

Surely whether or not they're actually good is a more important metric...



For my money, the orks released over the last few editions haven't been as good as the third edition releases. I hate the new face style. So I'd much rather keep those Nelson sculpts that are left in the range.

Amen to that - GW have never managed to capture the same look that the Nelson sculpts nailed so well. The new vehicles are great, but the faces and musculature of the later Orks is chunky and crude compared to the good stuff.

Orks don't need a new line of models, they just need more plastic characters as tons of them have been removed, put into legends or just have finecast models. Deffkoptas should also get a new model, the current one is ancient and in metal. That's it. Already existing plastic ork models are awesome.

 Gordy2000 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
That being said, having an entire line as old as they are I don't think set a good standard.

Why does the age of the models matter?

Surely whether or not they're actually good is a more important metric...



For my money, the orks released over the last few editions haven't been as good as the third edition releases. I hate the new face style. So I'd much rather keep those Nelson sculpts that are left in the range.

Amen to that - GW have never managed to capture the same look that the Nelson sculpts nailed so well. The new vehicles are great, but the faces and musculature of the later Orks is chunky and crude compared to the good stuff.

CAD sculpting vs. traditional sculpting being the problem here, do you think, or Brian Nelson vs. other sculptors?

Whatever happened to Mr Nelson, anyway?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Gordy2000 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
That being said, having an entire line as old as they are I don't think set a good standard.

Why does the age of the models matter?

Surely whether or not they're actually good is a more important metric...



For my money, the orks released over the last few editions haven't been as good as the third edition releases. I hate the new face style. So I'd much rather keep those Nelson sculpts that are left in the range.

Amen to that - GW have never managed to capture the same look that the Nelson sculpts nailed so well. The new vehicles are great, but the faces and musculature of the later Orks is chunky and crude compared to the good stuff.

CAD sculpting vs. traditional sculpting being the problem here, do you think, or Brian Nelson vs. other sculptors?

Whatever happened to Mr Nelson, anyway?

A good question. CAD designs on other GW lines continues to impress, so I’m not sure if that’s it. Not sure where Brian went and a quick Google has left me none the wiser.

 Dysartes wrote:

CAD sculpting vs. traditional sculpting being the problem here, do you think, or Brian Nelson vs. other sculptors?

More just different sculptors having different styles, I think. Nelson supposedly did the Orruk boss for AoS, and it's typical, awesome, Nelson style.

BrianDavion wrote:
'nids and chaos don't have toooo many gaps as it stands, chaos simply needs new noise marines, Bezerkers and characters and 'nids need like 1 or 2 new models. so yeah that'd be reasonably easy to do

I'm in the middle of gradually picking up 'Nids and I'm legitimately not sure they need anything, that range is tremendously flexible despite being only half the size of the Marine range and it's held up remarkably well.

(Maybe a new Biovore, those things are kind of dopey looking.)

Nids need a good codex far more than they need a refresh of the model range.

The Newman wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
'nids and chaos don't have toooo many gaps as it stands, chaos simply needs new noise marines, Bezerkers and characters and 'nids need like 1 or 2 new models. so yeah that'd be reasonably easy to do

I'm in the middle of gradually picking up 'Nids and I'm legitimately not sure they need anything, that range is tremendously flexible despite being only half the size of the Marine range and it's held up remarkably well.

(Maybe a new Biovore, those things are kind of dopey looking.)

Nids need a good codex far more than they need a refresh of the model range.

'nids basicly need a plastic lictor and they're good. they could proably use a Knight equivilant as well. And I'd like to see the Carnifex get a complete rules and model re-work like the greater deamons got.