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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/04 15:33:27
Subject: Spore Mines and "Engage on all Fronts"
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Are Tyranid spore mines able to score "engage on all fronts"?
Their specific wording says, "Spore Minds are discounted for the purposes of any victory conditions - their destruction never awards victory points, they do not count towards the number of models controlling an objective, and they do not count when determining if a player has any models left on the battlefield."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/04 15:43:48
Subject: Spore Mines and "Engage on all Fronts"
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Norn Queen
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Who knows. GW can't write rules for glazed ham.
Does scoring victory points count as a "victory condition"? No idea.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/04 16:27:34
Subject: Re:Spore Mines and "Engage on all Fronts"
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Confessor Of Sins
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The victory condition is scoring more victory points, so it is safe to say no. You get there via detective reasoning and reading in context.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/04 16:54:50
Subject: Spore Mines and "Engage on all Fronts"
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
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BaconCatBug wrote:Who knows. GW can't write rules for glazed ham.
Does scoring victory points count as a "victory condition"? No idea.
Literally lists that as the very first example.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/04 16:58:03
Subject: Spore Mines and "Engage on all Fronts"
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Fairly easy to deduce the answer is ‘no’ here, even if the exact wording is from an edition where that Secondary did not exist. Secondaries are very clearly to be considered Victory Conditions, as they hep you win!
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/04 17:07:51
Subject: Spore Mines and "Engage on all Fronts"
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Norn Queen
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nekooni wrote: BaconCatBug wrote:Who knows. GW can't write rules for glazed ham.
Does scoring victory points count as a "victory condition"? No idea.
Literally lists that as the very first example.
It literally does no such thing.
"their destruction never awards victory points" is not a synonym for "Score 2 victory points at the end of your turn if you have one or more units from your army wholly within three different table quarters, and those units are all more than 6" from the centre of the battlefield."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/04 19:07:01
Subject: Spore Mines and "Engage on all Fronts"
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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BaconCatBug wrote:nekooni wrote: BaconCatBug wrote:Who knows. GW can't write rules for glazed ham.
Does scoring victory points count as a "victory condition"? No idea.
Literally lists that as the very first example.
It literally does no such thing.
"their destruction never awards victory points" is not a synonym for "Score 2 victory points at the end of your turn if you have one or more units from your army wholly within three different table quarters, and those units are all more than 6" from the centre of the battlefield."
We’ve established in other threads you don’t apply critical judgement to 8th Rules not expressly covered by 9th. In this case it’s VERY easy to conclude that Spore Mines don’t score you anything, using said critical judgement.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/04 19:10:02
Subject: Re:Spore Mines and "Engage on all Fronts"
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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I'd say "discounted for the purposes of any victory conditions" covers it. The situations listed afterwards can be taken as examples, but that doesn't mean it's an exhaustive list - absence from that list isn't permission to break that first part.
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/04 21:58:36
Subject: Re:Spore Mines and "Engage on all Fronts"
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Agreed. Spore mines cant score any VP in 9th.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/09/04 23:35:54
Subject: Spore Mines and "Engage on all Fronts"
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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I'd also agree they dont count. However they are still nice for denying your opponent any victory points by either getting in their way or killing them.
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