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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 09:48:59
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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As we know a good 75% of the Eldar model range is old, very old.
How old you ask? Well....
Most of the Aspect Warriors apart from Dire Avengers and Howling Banshees, were released in metal way back in 2006.
14 years old. A hell of a long time. Then were then converted to resin. But still, the same models.
But wait, it gets worse. Warp Spiders, the Avatar and all of the Phoenix Lords (aprat from Jain Zar) were released in metal back in 1994.
Yep thats right. These models haven't been updated for 26 years!
I have to wonder what on earth GW plans to do with this army.
I can't really undersatnd why they would let parts of it go almost 30 years without an update.
We had one Phoenix Lord and one Aspect Warrior squad updated randomly last year.
Then nothing. At least so far.
If this is the pace GW is updating the Eldar at, I will be an old man before they finish.
Any thoughts, predictions, insight?
Will Eldar get a big update? Will they be quietly removed from the game at some point?
Or will they languish with 30 year old models with no update?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 10:01:59
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Jervis Johnson
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dan2026 wrote:As we know a good 75% of the Eldar model range is old, very old.
How old you ask? Well....
Most of the Aspect Warriors apart from Dire Avengers and Howling Banshees, were released in metal way back in 2006.
14 years old. A hell of a long time. Then were then converted to resin. But still, the same models.
But wait, it gets worse. Warp Spiders, the Avatar and all of the Phoenix Lords (aprat from Jain Zar) were released in metal back in 1994.
Yep thats right. These models haven't been updated for 26 years!
I have to wonder what on earth GW plans to do with this army.
I can't really undersatnd why they would let parts of it go almost 30 years without an update.
We had one Phoenix Lord and one Aspect Warrior squad updated randomly last year.
Then nothing. At least so far.
If this is the pace GW is updating the Eldar at, I will be an old man before they finish.
Any thoughts, predictions, insight?
Will Eldar get a big update? Will they be quietly removed from the game at some point?
Or will they languish with 30 year old models with no update?
You and me will be retired old men before they update the Falcon chassis tanks. I wouldn't surprise if those tanks make it 30 or even 40 years in age before they get a real update (not a facelift). Aspect Warriors however (some of them) will probably get updates in 2021, because it fits with GW's design philosophy for 9th. They'll be core and attractively costed, so the idea will be to make every single support vehicle and unit largely useless and unable to use auras and psychic powers and other force multipliers, while the new shiny core units will get everything. They'll probably do some re-imagining also to sell more, meaning for example making the models much bigger and on bigger bases, rendering the old models invalid so they can basically sell entirely new competitive armies even to people who own ten thousand points of Eldar already.
TL R: Updating existing models is a harder sell than just making new models for new units or even new factions, so they'll only update Eldar when there's absolutely no other choice left to them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 10:16:48
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The big Necron update has given me some hope.
Since they just updated a ton of their old models and added a load of new ones.
Eldar need it way more than Necrons even did though.
The idea that some of their models are almost 30 years old is messing with my brain a bit.
All that time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 10:32:46
Subject: Re:What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Honestly, it's a bit weird as IMHO GW sends some somewhat mixed signals re Eldar.
What do I mean by "mixed signals"? well, let's take a look at two "big events" for a moment. namely Psykic Awakening and The Gathering Storm, these where both "big end of the edition" events. where GW published several books detailing campaigns yadda yadda. the reason I'm focusing on this is because in both TGS and PA Eldar where featured as "stand alone" this indicates a fair degree of support AND confidance in Eldar in general, as they're offered stand alone, and aren't bundled with an Imperial army (let alone a space marine army) this indicates a strong sense that eldar are finanically popular eneugh to "stand on their own" but at the same time, yeaah GW doesn't seem to be inclined to update the army and they languish with ancient models, one would think Eldar aren't a money maker,
so yeah mixed signals.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 10:47:04
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I assume Eldar aren't a money maker.
But who is going to start an army with ancient models, most of which can only be bought directly from GW.
If Eldar got a big range revamp, I bet sales of them would increase dramatically.
As I bet the sales of Necron stuff is now.
Like can you honestly recommend anyone start an Eldar army now?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 12:19:45
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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dan2026 wrote:I assume Eldar aren't a money maker.
But who is going to start an army with ancient models, most of which can only be bought directly from GW.
If Eldar got a big range revamp, I bet sales of them would increase dramatically.
As I bet the sales of Necron stuff is now.
Like can you honestly recommend anyone start an Eldar army now?
This is how I see it too, people clearly haven't forgotten about the Eldar so it's GW's self-created problem, and it's why I hope they get a massive refresh this edition. They've already proved it with Sisters who went even longer without any fresh models and still sold like hotcakes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 17:54:55
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Super Ready wrote: dan2026 wrote:I assume Eldar aren't a money maker.
But who is going to start an army with ancient models, most of which can only be bought directly from GW.
If Eldar got a big range revamp, I bet sales of them would increase dramatically.
As I bet the sales of Necron stuff is now.
Like can you honestly recommend anyone start an Eldar army now?
This is how I see it too, people clearly haven't forgotten about the Eldar so it's GW's self-created problem, and it's why I hope they get a massive refresh this edition. They've already proved it with Sisters who went even longer without any fresh models and still sold like hotcakes.
You call this a self-created problem. But what if GW doesn't see it as such? What if Eldar sales are at acceptable lvs?
Sure, the range has sculpts older than some of you. And a lot of fine cast. But as long as the sales #s are alright theres no hurry to revamp them, allowing resources to be dedicated to other projects
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 18:09:47
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I love how the answer can't simply be "they've been taking their time and it's a labor of love for the sculptors working on it".
Because Goodwin has said he's involved with it. Dude does not work fast.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 18:30:11
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Spikeybitz said the entire range is being squatted.....
#inefectivetroll
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 18:38:10
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kanluwen wrote:I love how the answer can't simply be "they've been taking their time and it's a labor of love for the sculptors working on it".
Because Goodwin has said he's involved with it. Dude does not work fast.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but do you have a source on this?
I'm overjoyed if its true that Goodwin is working on a big range revamp.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 18:41:16
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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I guess my question would be... why update them? The models *still* look good... my personal misgivings to the warp spiders aside.
The vehicles look good, the wraith units look good. I can’t think of anything that looks bad.
They’re a well designed army, they have a handful of unique units in each FOC slot... they feel pretty complete to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 18:48:08
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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greatbigtree wrote:I guess my question would be... why update them? The models *still* look good... my personal misgivings to the warp spiders aside.
The vehicles look good, the wraith units look good. I can’t think of anything that looks bad.
They’re a well designed army, they have a handful of unique units in each FOC slot... they feel pretty complete to me.
Well I mean the big one is the fact that they are all made of Finecast resin now.
That in of itself is a problem.
And even if they were still in metal, I'd bet most people would want plastic kits, including me.
As they are much easier to build and paint.
GW themselves only want to make plastic kits now and have done for a good 10 years or more.
And to be honest I think even Guardians are looking very rough these days. Even if they are in plastic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 19:00:00
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Jervis Johnson
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greatbigtree wrote:I guess my question would be... why update them? The models *still* look good... my personal misgivings to the warp spiders aside.
The vehicles look good, the wraith units look good. I can’t think of anything that looks bad.
They’re a well designed army, they have a handful of unique units in each FOC slot... they feel pretty complete to me.
Marines have been complete for 20 years but that never stopped GW from making new kits and updating older ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 19:08:54
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Therion wrote: greatbigtree wrote:I guess my question would be... why update them? The models *still* look good... my personal misgivings to the warp spiders aside.
The vehicles look good, the wraith units look good. I can’t think of anything that looks bad.
They’re a well designed army, they have a handful of unique units in each FOC slot... they feel pretty complete to me.
Marines have been complete for 20 years but that never stopped GW from making new kits and updating older ones.
I didn't want to say it, but there is this.
Marines have currently almost completed their 2nd complete plastic army, while they already had a complete plastic army.
While 75% of the Eldar range hasn't even made the jump to plastic yet.
Its bizarre and embarrasing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 19:23:34
Subject: Re:What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Is to compensate for what is happening in age of sigmar. In Age of sigmar almost half of all the available factions are elfs, or aelves. Probably all the elders souls, and pro elder GW designers are put on to keep the aelves invasion of the mortal realms. Till age of sigmar is not 80% just aelves I don't think that they will begin to update the 40 K eldar range, and when this happens be prepare as the elder invasion of the 40 K galaxy will begin.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 19:32:16
Subject: Re:What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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psipso wrote:Is to compensate for what is happening in age of sigmar. In Age of sigmar almost half of all the available factions are elfs, or aelves. Probably all the elders souls, and pro elder GW designers are put on to keep the aelves invasion of the mortal realms. Till age of sigmar is not 80% just aelves I don't think that they will begin to update the 40 K eldar range, and when this happens be prepare as the elder invasion of the 40 K galaxy will begin.
This is incorrect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 19:34:18
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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Kanluwen wrote:I love how the answer can't simply be "they've been taking their time and it's a labor of love for the sculptors working on it".
Because Goodwin has said he's involved with it. Dude does not work fast.
I'd love this to be true as well, so yes please, put the source! I'm a big fan of Goodwin's design work.
greatbigtree wrote:I guess my question would be... why update them? The models *still* look good... my personal misgivings to the warp spiders aside.
The vehicles look good, the wraith units look good. I can’t think of anything that looks bad.
They’re a well designed army, they have a handful of unique units in each FOC slot... they feel pretty complete to me.
You've focused on the units that exist in plastic kits... most people don't have issues with the vehicles or wraith units at all, I know I don't. They're also the more recent models to have been updated.
The big bugbears are the Aspect Warriors (aside from Howling Banshees and Dire Avengers), Phoenix Lords, Warlocks and the Avatar.
Dire Avengers aren't too bad, but Dark Reapers, Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons and Warp Spiders are all fixed-pose with little variation between them, and very flat compared to more modern kits. Meanwhile the Phoenix Lords, Warlocks and Avatar all date back to second edition, and it shows. Not just in the model size and style, but again looking flat thanks to the metal casting processes used at the time.
...it's telling that the 'Start Collecting' box for Craftworlds consists of the one available plastic Farseer and a bunch of wraith units, when that only fits the fluff for craftworld Iyanden - the box should be a representation of that faction's core force, which for Craftworlds should be a mix of Guardians and Aspect Warriors.
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 19:40:28
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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He briefly mentions that Aeldari are something he'd been working on during the Mechanicus flyer/cavalry/whatever interviews for Voxcast. Doesn't say what he was working on, just that is what it was. Darren Latham promptly switched the subject and Goodwin 'focused' again on AdMech.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 19:43:31
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Its telling that GW don't use images of the old resin/metal Aspect Warriors in any promotional stuff.
They don't put them in the collection boxes or battle forces.
They barely refer to them in anything. Its always Wraith units, jetbikes and vehicles.
They don't want to show them or sell them, they almost seem embarrased by them.
And yet we are still waiting fot 90% of them to be updated. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kanluwen wrote:He briefly mentions that Aeldari are something he'd been working on during the Mechanicus flyer/cavalry/whatever interviews for Voxcast. Doesn't say what he was working on, just that is what it was.
Darren Latham promptly switched the subject and Goodwin 'focused' again on AdMech.
Thanks. Thats vague but hopeful I guess.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 19:57:19
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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I think craftworlds must sell well enough if you can judge it by the number of data sheets they have. Even forgeworld have released quite a few models. Why the aspects have continually been ignored I can't explain though especially when units like support weapons get updated.
There must be a big refresh coming, just a question of when.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 20:01:12
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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I’d say that if they aren’t being refreshed, they probably sell fine as-is? While I’m not a fan of finecast, I don’t feel there’s anything fundamentally wrong with the models.
For me, they’ve stood the test of time. There isn’t something that needs fixing, in my opinion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 20:53:52
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm pretty sure it's going to be a big edition for Eldar and DE; I feel like it's all going to drop together over 1-3 months.
A Vs. box for 2021 could include Eldar, DE or a mix vs. an Imperial faction.
A kill team box may include an Eldar KT (Plastic Scorpions please).
So much depends on what that first Xeno book will be. I think the KT reboot is Q1 as well; we don't know for sure that it's getting a box- it could just be a book. But if we do get a box, synergizing with that Xeno release over Q1 would be sweet.
I hope we get word on what the Xeno release is soon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 21:11:02
Subject: Re:What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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Based on the PA storylines, we should be seeing a big focus on Aeldari (especially Ynnari) in the near future.
Yvraine said to Ephrael Stern that she would return to help fight the new threat (Necrons) and both warp spiders and striking scorpions were present in the brief stories inside PA books (including possibly a Warp Spider Phx Lord). We have also seen Scorpions in a new animated clip. Finally, there is also the fact that the banshee kit emphasized the Ynnari heads inside, even though they currently have no difference in game.
I would bet hard cash that we are getting new Eldar miniatures this edition, including Spiders and Scorpions (probably a lot more).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 21:14:46
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hoping for a harlie named character.
Who doesn't work for SOB lol Automatically Appended Next Post: Admittedly harlies are very pretty models and current.
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As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 21:55:04
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It is a bit funny and sad that the first named Harlequin character models can't be used by Harlequins.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 21:57:15
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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dan2026 wrote:It is a bit funny and sad that the first named Harlequin character models can't be used by Harlequins.
RIGHT XD... I am a big Harlie fan,,, I was super disappointed XD.
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As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 22:01:39
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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dan2026 wrote:It is a bit funny and sad that the first named Harlequin character models can't be used by Harlequins.
I mean, he's not exactly welcomed by them?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 22:04:58
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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PenitentJake wrote:I'm pretty sure it's going to be a big edition for Eldar and DE; I feel like it's all going to drop together over 1-3 months.
Citation very much needed.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
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You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/25 22:47:51
Subject: What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kanluwen wrote: dan2026 wrote:It is a bit funny and sad that the first named Harlequin character models can't be used by Harlequins.
I mean, he's not exactly welcomed by them?
Too true XD.
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As an aside, as "infinite" rolls is actually impossible even if the FAQ "allows" it, then it will always be a non-zero chance to pass them all. Eventually the two players will die. If they pass the game on to their decendents, they too will eventually die. And, at the end of it all, the universe will experience heat death and it, too, will die. In the instance of "infinite" hits, we're talking more of functional infinity, rather than literal.
RAW you can't pass the game onto descendants, permissive ruleset. Unless we get an FAQ from GW. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2020/10/26 00:11:14
Subject: Re:What is the future of the Craftworld Eldar model range?
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Fixture of Dakka
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It could be that GW will start the ball rolling with Codex Ynnari in January, and go from there.
Using the genestealer as an example, the codex would take a selection of units from the three primary factions and give them new datasheets so that they perform differently from their faction-specific counterparts. This alone would remove the need for a Ynnari player to purchase multiple codices and supplements. Codex writers could then write those units with their factions in mind, rather than trying to make them compatible with both.
And its high time Ynnari players were allowed to select any unit from the Ynnari roster for a detachment - none of this "Reborn" detachment nonsense that limits a Ynnari combat patrol to only a single eldar faction( such as a "Reborn Drukhari" patrol ).
Pulled off correctly, it'll lead nicely into an overhaul of the Craftworld and Drukhari ranges.
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Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.
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