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Ok, it's finally coming up for preorder. What do we expect to see, and what do we want?

One thing I think will be interesting is to see if any of the various Xenos and Chaos units have new keywords which might hint at what we'll see in our new codexes. It'll be interesting to see if weapons profiles change for weapons that fit the templates of some of the stuff that got buffed by the recent changes but didn't get changed because they had different names. Will hellflamers and tau flamers go to 12 inch range? Will autocannons and butcher cannons get Ap-2 to match reaper autocannons? Etc. Etc. This could give us a look at what's to come.

Who knows, maybee less drunk intern and more competent intern?

Not Online!!! wrote:
Who knows, maybee less drunk intern and more competent intern?

I'd happily pay for drunk competent intern. Everything is error free but stupid one liners etc edited in.

I'm expecting the usual =>

Codexes not written with FW in mind and, as a result, a couple of utterly broken combos. Most likely for SM / CSM because of the sheer number of entries they get compared to the other factions.

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Who knows, maybee less drunk intern and more competent intern?

I'd happily pay for drunk competent intern. Everything is error free but stupid one liners etc edited in.

Decimator as merc instantly turned into mecha rambo? He tears em apart limb by limb ?






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Selfcontrol wrote:
I'm expecting the usual =>

Codexes not written with FW in mind and, as a result, a couple of utterly broken combos. Most likely for SM / CSM because of the sheer number of entries they get compared to the other factions.

Considering it is fully GW rulesteam this time, that would just exemplify their lack of quality controll and competence.

What I want....
No loss of units/options.
Units costed so that they're usable.

What I expect....
Disappointment.

Eldar Corsairs finally get new rules?

Drunk intern comes up with more fun rules. Competent intern makes everything boring and safe.

Expecting tons of nerfs so no gamer even thinks of using　them. 300% point increases to weak　units etc typical to gw. They want only collectors to buy resin　as those don't spam same so selling more profitable plastic to them goes only so far.


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Selfcontrol wrote:
I'm expecting the usual =>

Codexes not written with FW in mind and, as a result, a couple of utterly broken combos. Most likely for SM / CSM because of the sheer number of entries they get compared to the other factions.

If you want to see broken stuff look at gw codexes. Banning those bans not only most but also biggest offenders

I expect to see/want some "unification" of the IG vehicles to make them more in line with the codex stuff. In a sense of for example options for track guards and other vehicle equipment options for the Mars Alpha Leman Russ and the Chimera Chassis.

Also I hope they clear up some things that got really messed up with the latest FAQs like Malcador Annihilators currently being able to doubletap their Twin-Lascannon AND Demolisher via grinding advance (at least that is how I read it), while the Malcador Battletank can doubletap nothing.

I hope they keep as many options as possible, even if they are moved to legends. Completely dropping them would make me personally sad.

Last but not least: I have a vain hope that they find it in their hearts to give Elysians, Corsairs and Renegades and Heretics at least some kind of mini Codex. I don't think they will, but I hope they do.

Considering it is fully GW rulesteam this time, that would just exemplify their lack of quality controll and competence.

I'm very cautious when I hear "it's GW rulesteam". We don't know how their team works. It might be divided into smaller units and if there is bad communication or no communication at all between them, we can still end up with datasheets written without Codexes in mind (or the other way around) or with dated informations and as a result, incredibly stupid combos.

... what do we expect to see?

A lot of "But what happened to...?" questions after it comes out.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

... what do we expect to see?

A lot of "But what happened to...?" questions after it comes out.

well even if you subtract Elysians, R&H and corsair there's still a lot of sheets that need to go.

I'd like to see Corsairs come back as close as possible to their 7th edition incarnation.

What I expect, however:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A lot of "But what happened to...?" questions after it comes out.

My expectation:
- Only units who are currently sold on forgeworld.co.uk will get rules. That means no models = no faction.

- Only weapons with exactly matching names will get profile updates.

- Most units will be unremarkable in regards to rules / points with one or two outliers that will be used as an argument about "FW is broken, just ban FW" and/or "GW quality bad! No communication!".

Do Forgeworld not sell any Corsair stuff anymore?

Niche interest , but I expect the Tantalus to go down in points, and the Reaper to go up.

My expectation is that the GW rules team is going to obsolete about 1/3 of the forgeworld units overall, make every option a Lord of War so you can only field them in SH detachments, and in all instances where kits come with multiple models that each have a different weapon, that's going to be the mandatory loadout.

Field grot tanks? you now MUST have 1 scorcha 1 big shoota 1 rokkit 1 KMB 1 grotzooka in your unit.

Selfcontrol wrote:

Considering it is fully GW rulesteam this time, that would just exemplify their lack of quality controll and competence.

I'm very cautious when I hear "it's GW rulesteam". We don't know how their team works. It might be divided into smaller units and if there is bad communication or no communication at all between them, we can still end up with datasheets written without Codexes in mind (or the other way around) or with dated informations and as a result, incredibly stupid combos.

Which still is an issue of the gw rulesteam... and quality controll.


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 harlokin wrote:
Niche interest , but I expect the Tantalus to go down in points, and the Reaper to go up.

your hope for GMV is misplaced

1) No model, no rules.
2) A 20-page complaints thread on Dakka.

1) a culling of lots of cool and useful units, the reason for which GW will be mum about (money. The reason is $$)

2) units being either:
a) overpowered on release because they account for future codex changes
Or
b) underpowered later because they are using pre-codex stuff (just like now)

If B, then:
3) paying for a book that will be quickly obsolete, either:
a) because they have to re-release the datasheets when the codexes come out
or
b) because they ignore the datasheets when the codexes come out and therefore the units are useless.

- Rules that fit 8ed but have been written by the most junior member of the GW Rules Team, so mostly really cautious and underpowered/overcosted.

- However, a couple of units, due to strange wording or misunderstandings, will end up broken.

- Even though any given Codex contains more broken units that the entire FW Compendium, half of the internet will take this as proof that all FW models and rules are totally broken and using them is tantamount to cheating.

I wonder if GW is going to remove or change the two GK options FW had.

 ArbitorIan wrote:
- Rules that fit 8ed but have been written by the most junior member of the GW Rules Team, so mostly really cautious and underpowered/overcosted.

- However, a couple of units, due to strange wording or misunderstandings, will end up broken.

- Even though any given Codex contains more broken units that the entire FW Compendium, half of the internet will take this as proof that all FW models and rules are totally broken and using them is tantamount to cheating.

Sooo, buissness as usual, just with less cool factions in the game.

Selfcontrol wrote:

Considering it is fully GW rulesteam this time, that would just exemplify their lack of quality controll and competence.

I'm very cautious when I hear "it's GW rulesteam". We don't know how their team works. It might be divided into smaller units and if there is bad communication or no communication at all between them, we can still end up with datasheets written without Codexes in mind (or the other way around) or with dated informations and as a result, incredibly stupid combos.

But isn't that the entire point of having the main studio write the rules for fw units in 40K? If it's written by the same people who write the codexes then they should be taken into account in the rules. That's why I mentioned keywords: I'd bet that, for example, the Astreus will get the keyword that lets it use the repulsor field strategem like the other primaris repulsor tanks. Likewise, any loyalist vehicle with smoke launchers will get the Smoke Screen keyword so that they can use the Smoke Screen strategem. If we see that same keyword on other factions vehicles datasheets then we'll know that those factions will have that strategem as well. At minimum we'll see what's CORE or not.

the_scotsman wrote:


Field grot tanks? you now MUST have 1 scorcha 1 big shoota 1 rokkit 1 KMB 1 grotzooka in your unit.

We are lucky that AoS rules writter haven't implemented that form of weapon options in 40k. They totally killed Karadron Overlords as a faction with that for me.
"Ey theres a single weapon that is OP and everybody is spamming it, what should we do? balance it?"
"No, remove all options and write it so as each unit HAS to be equiped with ONLY what comes in the box, even if it makes no sense and it looks like gak!"

We’ll be taking a closer look at the forces of Krieg later in the week, but it’s not just these stoic warriors that are featured in the book though, there are also datasheets for some of the Space Marines Chapters of Renown – Red Scorpions, Minotaurs, Blood Ravens, Astral Claws, and Carcharodons. This means that you’ll be able to field such legendary warriors as Carab Culln the Risen and Asterion Moloc in your games of Warhammer 40,000.

* If a unit exists but doesn’t have a datasheet in this book, don’t worry! It will be getting a Warhammer Legends datasheet so that you can continue to use it in your games.

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Wow Eldar Corsairs just scrubbed from existence.

I do not know how many data sheets there were in the collection of books that this compendium is replacing, but the Compendium will have 191. Anyone who owned all the old books want to add up the number of sheets? That will tell us whether or not we're losing anything.

As for what I'd like to see:

- Avenger flyer gets Sororitas Keyword back (easy)
- Inquisition has at least one Land Raider variant native to the faction (easy)
- SoS Knight Commander + Kharon Pattern Acquisitor jump to 40k (longshot)
- the return of the SoB Repressor (longer shot)

 dan2026 wrote:
Wow Eldar Corsairs just scrubbed from existence.

They might be in Legends though. The understanding is that the book covers things that are actually for sale, right now.