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2020/10/26 13:57:16
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Kanluwen wrote: They might be in Legends though. The understanding is that the book covers things that are actually for sale, right now.
Well I'm glad the stormhammer is in there like it was in the 8th edi- oh wait no it's not.
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2020/10/26 13:59:07
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Kanluwen wrote:
They might be in Legends though. The understanding is that the book covers things that are actually for sale, right now.
Still hoping that a Ynarri dex gives us Corsair and Exodite units for use in Ynarri armies and that WD prints mini-dexes for pure Corsair and pure Exodite lists.
Also hoping Elysians move to 40k.
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2020/10/26 13:59:58
Subject: Re:The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Mounted Kroot Tracker
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 harlokin wrote:Niche interest  , but I expect the Tantalus to go down in points, and the Reaper to go up.
I also expect those vehicles will become <Kabal> only.
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2020/10/26 14:02:19
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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 Unit1126PLL wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
They might be in Legends though. The understanding is that the book covers things that are actually for sale, right now.
Well I'm glad the stormhammer is in there like it was in the 8th edi-
oh wait no it's not.
You mean the Solar Auxilia Stormhammer doesn't get rules? Wow, I'm shocked!
There's a bunch of Heresy era stuff that doesn't have rules. Especially under the AdMech heading. Which is irritating because we know they started work to make stuff jump from 30 to 40k...hell, we have color plates from Fires of Cyraxus showcasing some of them!
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2020/10/26 14:03:36
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Hey man, it was the Astra Militarum Stormhammer for all of 8th, and I even took 3 to NOVA 2017. But you're right, they moved it on the webstore so I guess that means it can't have a datasheet now.
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2020/10/26 14:03:41
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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PenitentJake wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
They might be in Legends though. The understanding is that the book covers things that are actually for sale, right now.
Still hoping that a Ynarri dex gives us Corsair and Exodite units for use in Ynarri armies and that WD prints mini-dexes for pure Corsair and pure Exodite lists.
I really hope we never see Exodites as anything more than background or possibly Kill Team related items. They're too small of a concept, despite their bond with giant heckin' animals.
Also hoping Elysians move to 40k.
You mean "return". Because Elysians were never a Heresy era product, they just are gone now.
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2020/10/26 14:05:23
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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Can anyone confirm the existence of the statement by the GW rules lead, that GW won't be releasing any new Xeno units?
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2020/10/26 14:05:28
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Unit1126PLL wrote:
Hey man, it was the Astra Militarum Stormhammer for all of 8th, and I even took 3 to NOVA 2017. But you're right, they moved it on the webstore so I guess that means it can't have a datasheet now.
Or they stopped selling it as an "Astra Militarum" item and are keeping it as Heresy only.
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2020/10/26 14:05:34
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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and so are R&H and elysians. just legended---
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/10/26 14:05:47
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:Can anyone confirm the existence of the statement by the GW rules lead, that GW won't be releasing any new Xeno units?
No, because there probably has never been one.
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2020/10/26 14:07:14
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kanluwen wrote:Or they stopped selling it as an "Astra Militarum" item and are keeping it as Heresy only.
And they did this because all the people who were joyfully playing it in 8th deserve to have their fun taken away or...?
I never thought you of all people would agree with Astra Militarum unreasonably losing access to a unit for no reason.
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2020/10/26 14:10:12
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Stuff I can see now...
Chinork Warkopta gone
Lamenters chapter master still gone
Inquisition land raider gone
Mechanicum stuff still not in 40k - frustrating given that so much 30k marine stuff has rules...including units that are canonically not supposed to exist anymore like the jetbikes XD
GK Psycannon dread seems gone
Chaos Sonic Dreadnought seems gone
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2020/10/26 14:13:36
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Kanluwen wrote:Or they stopped selling it as an "Astra Militarum" item and are keeping it as Heresy only.
And they did this because all the people who were joyfully playing it in 8th deserve to have their fun taken away or...? I never thought you of all people would agree with Astra Militarum unreasonably losing access to a unit for no reason.
You don't know for sure that it's gone forever. You just know that it's not in the table of contents there. There's literally this statement: * If a unit exists but doesn’t have a datasheet in this book, don’t worry! It will be getting a Warhammer Legends datasheet so that you can continue to use it in your games.
If the Stormhammer isn't covered there...ask them about it. Also, you chose to selectively edit my post for your complaint. That same year you were getting to field 3 of them at NOVA? That's the year I finally found out I could use a Thanatar in 40k...and then Fires of Cyraxus as a project died and there's been zero movement ever since. So excuse me for not feeling super sympathetic that your tanks that could probably be used as something else with very little effort didn't get a frontpage listing in the Index.
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2020/10/26 14:20:49
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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I do love how excited you seem at the prospect of people losing models they like. Weird for someone who was very angry earlier over a unit they never had to begin with.  Anyway, I cannot wait for the Legends datasheets. Over/under 50% that they're copypastas of the previous rules, 8" flamers, 1 damage Heavy Bolters and everything else?
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2020/10/26 14:22:14
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kanluwen wrote:You don't know for sure that it's gone forever. You just know that it's not in the table of contents there.
There's literally this statement:
* If a unit exists but doesn’t have a datasheet in this book, don’t worry! It will be getting a Warhammer Legends datasheet so that you can continue to use it in your games.
If the Stormhammer isn't covered there...ask them about it.
Why would they put a model currently in-production into legends?
Furthermore, why would they remove it in the first place?
Furthermore, why is this change positive?
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2020/10/26 14:28:42
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:I do love how excited you seem at the prospect of people losing models they like. Weird for someone who was very angry earlier over a unit they never had to begin with.
Anyway, I cannot wait for the Legends datasheets.
Over/under 50% that they're copypastas of the previous rules, 8" flamers, 1 damage Heavy Bolters and everything else?
I tend torwards copy paste, considering how "well" the allready existing legends are...
which bodes not well for my R&H
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
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2020/10/26 14:29:30
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Why did they never put the Secutarii Peltasts or Hoplites into a book, despite being in production and with downloadable rules at the time of printing?
The answer: because they didn't. Same answer applies for your dilemma.
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2020/10/26 14:34:41
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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They probably were going to be in Fyres, along with all the other Mechanicum stuff that isn't getting any rules in 9th.
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2020/10/26 14:37:27
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It looks like the Destroyer Tank Hunter is gone to Legends, along with the Stygies and Mars pattern Leman Russ. Thunderers seem to have survived though.
I wonder if "Thunderers" being plural might mean the laser destroyer is now an upgrade to it.
Edit: Leman Russ Annihilators seem to be gone too. That's really disappointing. Hopefully they're just not shown in the index...
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2020/10/26 14:58:35
Subject: Re:The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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One thing I could imagine (but that is just a thought, I have no sources whatsoever) is that they will roll some AM datasheets into their "parent" datasheet when the codex comes. So LR Annihiliator and Conquerer just shift to equipment options of the regular LR (which might even mean Annihilator tank commanders), Destroyer tank hunter into Thunderers etc.
It would also (even if that is more wishful thinking) explain why the Sentinel powerlifter datasheet is gone and did not get points updates for 9th, but the powerlifter (the CC weapon it wields) did. MAYBE it will just plop up on the Sentinel datasheet.
But this thought is a bit countered by the fact that the Machariusses are still separate datasheets, as are the Malcadors.
Edit: and I'm confused and sad that they really removed the Gorgon. In the same year that they brought back the model for sale.
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2020/10/26 14:59:49
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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That's not imagining, that's wild and baseless wishlisting! 
It's probably just best to assume Legends and move on.
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2020/10/26 15:01:32
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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H.B.M.C. wrote:They probably were going to be in Fyres, along with all the other Mechanicum stuff that isn't getting any rules in 9th.
It really is just incredible to me that they don't consider it any kind of lost sales opportunity to have not slapped together some datasheets for those models.
Surely they must sell better than the 400$ imperial knights? Or weird niche stuff like Ork Kill Tanks and Antaes'rao'keres?
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2020/10/26 15:06:08
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:Can anyone confirm the existence of the statement by the GW rules lead, that GW won't be releasing any new Xeno units?
Is this meant to be in reference to FW Xeno units or just Xeno units in general?
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 blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
 the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
 Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
 insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2020/10/26 15:06:18
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Kanluwen wrote:Or they stopped selling it as an "Astra Militarum" item and are keeping it as Heresy only.
And they did this because all the people who were joyfully playing it in 8th deserve to have their fun taken away or...?
I never thought you of all people would agree with Astra Militarum unreasonably losing access to a unit for no reason.
But whas it a real choice or a fake one? Why not use it as a normal baneblade? 
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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2020/10/26 15:07:19
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Galas wrote: Unit1126PLL wrote: Kanluwen wrote:Or they stopped selling it as an "Astra Militarum" item and are keeping it as Heresy only.
And they did this because all the people who were joyfully playing it in 8th deserve to have their fun taken away or...?
I never thought you of all people would agree with Astra Militarum unreasonably losing access to a unit for no reason.
But whas it a real choice or a fake one? Why not use it as a normal baneblade?
Oh, fake, absolutely, and if my opponents don't mind I absolutely will. 
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2020/10/26 15:20:44
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 vipoid wrote:FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:Can anyone confirm the existence of the statement by the GW rules lead, that GW won't be releasing any new Xeno units?
Is this meant to be in reference to FW Xeno units or just Xeno units in general?
Given we know of, what, at least two upcoming Xenos models, I'd guess he means FW, but clarification would be nice.
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2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
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2020/10/26 15:28:57
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Some will be happy to see the Ork Warboss on warbike is still a thing and not in legends.
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2020/10/26 15:30:01
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Semper wrote:Some will be happy to see the Ork Warboss on warbike is still a thing and not in legends.
it's about the only positive change i can see from that FW book.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/10/26 15:35:00
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
They might be in Legends though. The understanding is that the book covers things that are actually for sale, right now.
Well I'm glad the stormhammer is in there like it was in the 8th edi-
oh wait no it's not.
Aw crap.
Also noticed DKoK Grenadiers are gone. Guess they're just Tempestus Scions now. Gorgons and Centaurs look to be disappeared too.
You mean the Solar Auxilia Stormhammer doesn't get rules? Wow, I'm shocked!
You should be shocked because it had 40k 8th ed rules in the Forgeworld Index. *eyeroll*
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2020/10/26 15:36:06
Subject: The Imperial Armour Compendium is almost here, what do we expect to see?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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but we needed the design space and production facilities and lore mentions to sell more primarisleutnants.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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