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I would say given their large fleet, lots of tech they only have access to, etc... that the Dark Angels are the best equipped and supplied chapter.

Arguably the Mentor Legion, seeing as their entire role is to be the testbed chapter for new Imperial tech.

Minotaurs, Iron Hands, Ultramarines and Imperial Fist could all be competing in that category since all of them have powerful patrons and a prestigious legacy that help distinguish themselves from smaller Chapters.

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
I would say given their large fleet, lots of tech they only have access to, etc... that the Dark Angels are the best equipped and supplied chapter.

except that tech is a dwindling storehouse held in their basement, meanwhile other chapters have better access to forge worlds etc. I'd be inclined to say the ultramarines are proably it right now, Gulliman I imagine has lavished support on his chapter

Well, I don't know about "Supplied" but GK have weapons that are lightyears beyond what the rest of the SM legions have, due to their wonky time distortion fluff. Nemesis Force weapons are essentially Relic weapons for any other chapter. And their armor is better, and they main Storm Bolters, so them? They are also primarily funded by the church, so....

Also the DW are pretty much a militant wing of the Inquisition Ordos Xenos, so they get pretty much anything they want. Troops, Armor, Weapons.

There are just to many chapters who can lay claim to that title. Many have already been mentioned. I was gonne say Minotaurs. They have high lord of terra backing and hold friendly chapters in check. They used to have favoret enemy loyalist marines.

I haf never heard of mentor leagion. Sound legit. Grey knight are also big winners. DW as well. Any chapter cutting a deal with a FW woulf be well off. Do custodians count?

 Niiai wrote:
Do custodians count?

they aren't space marines, nor a chapter. so no

It's Grey Knights, surely?

If we're not counting the Grey Knights and Deathwatch, then it's definitely a First Founding Chapter, most likely between the Ultramarines, Dark Angels and Imperial Fists.
In M41+, my money's on the Ultramarines.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
It's Grey Knights, surely?

If we're not counting the Grey Knights and Deathwatch, then it's definitely a First Founding Chapter, most likely between the Ultramarines, Dark Angels and Imperial Fists.
In M41+, my money's on the Ultramarines.

Imperial fists lost a lot of stuff due to the war of the beast. I suspect their armory is the most "modern" of the 1st founding chapters in that they have less old heresy era relics then a lot of the others

Grey Knights probably tie for 1st, simply because while their budget is sky high they have a more specialised equipment range than regular chapters. It's not improbable that some other chapter is as well supplied just in equipment that the GK have far less use for.

Dark Angels, Salamanders and Iron Hands since they make all of their own kit and supply themselves with resources they need to make said kit.

Possibly the Blood Angels who both artificiers and known to hold stuff back from the admech, as well as having the prestige and armoury of a first founding chapter with relatively few successors.

But there are also the Steel Confessors (the mechanicums 'sponsored' chapter) and the Minotaurs (with the support of the high lords) who would both have preferential supply.

Dark Angels certainly have the most archeotech level weapons - stuff the other Chapters either plain don’t have, or have precious few of (such as Crusade era relics).

Iron Hands being Iron Hands, and their close links to Mars itself, likely have the highest quality modern equipment.

Mentor Legion? Well, just because it’s experimental doesn’t mean it’s good.

I feel we can certainly break it down to the 9 First Founding Chapters, simply because they’re the most likely to have held on to their Crusade era toys.

From those nine, we can probably rule out Ravenguard, given their catastrophic losses during the Heresy. They’d have left behind much of their materiel on Isstvan as well, likely to be salvaged by the newly revealed Traitor Legions. Given their main focus was replenishing their ranks, fancier toys arguably fell by the way side, particularly post 2nd Founding, when many of the now Relic tanks simply didn’t suit the Astartes way of war.

Space Wolves, due to their structure and dubious separation from their successors may be a surprise shoe-in. Certainly they don’t give much of a fig for the Codex Astartes, so may well be closer to Legion strength than Chapter. And we also know their Iron Priests have a thing for custom weapons.

Imperial Fists of course were Terra based, and have the staggeringly huge Phalanx. Who knows what toys that big bugger might contain?

Ultramarines? May not have all that many, given how many Successors they have, each of which would receive some of their parent Chapter’s stores. So whilst the Realm of Ultramar does contain Forgeworlds, that specific form of attrition may restrict what’s available for the parent Chapter.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dark Angels certainly have the most archeotech level weapons - stuff the other Chapters either plain don’t have, or have precious few of (such as Crusade era relics).

Except for the fact that planet containing these got blown up and all they managed to save is what they had in central, most durable fort...

From those nine, we can probably rule out Ravenguard, given their catastrophic losses during the Heresy. They’d have left behind much of their materiel on Isstvan as well, likely to be salvaged by the newly revealed Traitor Legions. Given their main focus was replenishing their ranks, fancier toys arguably fell by the way side, particularly post 2nd Founding, when many of the now Relic tanks simply didn’t suit the Astartes way of war.

Actually Raven Guard is based on a pet Forge World that was given to them by Emperor so they have insane levels of supply. Probably second best of all 9 legions.

Space Wolves, due to their structure and dubious separation from their successors may be a surprise shoe-in. Certainly they don’t give much of a fig for the Codex Astartes, so may well be closer to Legion strength than Chapter. And we also know their Iron Priests have a thing for custom weapons.

This dumb fanfiction by 'my legiun is da biggest' grade SW fans really needs to die. Not only Russ accepted Codex, they barely have 2-3 thousand of SM, and lost tons of stuff in failed foundings and ineptly waged campaigns. That and the fact medieval worlds with tiny population don't tend to be industrial powerhouses.

Imperial Fists of course were Terra based, and have the staggeringly huge Phalanx. Who knows what toys that big bugger might contain?

Not much seeing it was all blown up by the Beast and they had to beg successors for replacements, having no manufacturing capacity themselves.

Ultramarines? May not have all that many, given how many Successors they have, each of which would receive some of their parent Chapter’s stores. So whilst the Realm of Ultramar does contain Forgeworlds, that specific form of attrition may restrict what’s available for the parent Chapter.

Actually they are by far the best supplied, because not only Realm of Ultramar has multiple Forge Worlds dedicated to UM only, the planet itself was set up by best logistician Imperium had to rapidly produce and supply biggest Legion of them all. Can you imagine what planet that can equip and outfit 250.000 SM with ease will do for a chapter? They could easily afford to have everything produced to above relic level grade of quality and still have enough to hand out to other chapters on daily basis...

I think it would be Ultramarines. They’re whole schtick is logistics after all. And they are supplied by Ultramar rather the just one planet.

 Irbis wrote:

This dumb fanfiction by 'my legiun is da biggest' grade SW fans really needs to die. Not only Russ accepted Codex, they barely have 2-3 thousand of SM, and lost tons of stuff in failed foundings and ineptly waged campaigns. That and the fact medieval worlds with tiny population don't tend to be industrial powerhouses.

umm ok you're completely wrong.

by the heresy the space wolves where at about 95,000 - 100,000 space marines, not "only 2-3 thousand" and in the modern times having 2-3 thousand space marines is "pretty damn big" given that a codex chapter is only 1000 marines in size. and russ DIDN'T accept the codex. the space wolves aren't remotely orginized along codex lines.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

This dumb fanfiction by 'my legiun is da biggest' grade SW fans really needs to die. Not only Russ accepted Codex, they barely have 2-3 thousand of SM, and lost tons of stuff in failed foundings and ineptly waged campaigns. That and the fact medieval worlds with tiny population don't tend to be industrial powerhouses.

umm ok you're completely wrong.

by the heresy the space wolves where at about 95,000 - 100,000 space marines, not "only 2-3 thousand" and in the modern times having 2-3 thousand space marines is "pretty damn big" given that a codex chapter is only 1000 marines in size. and russ DIDN'T accept the codex. the space wolves aren't remotely orginized along codex lines.

And the Black Templars are running around with potentially even more than this anyway. So the space wolves aren't even that special. And they don't seem to count scouts against chapter numbers so most marine chapters are going to be over 1000 anyway.

Space wolves have always been the odd ones out since 2nd ed and while I don't like the exceptionalism and specialisness going overboard, it's not a new thing for them to ignore the codex and/or its size restrictions.

There was even WD articles about rogue great companies that broke ties with the Fang, but still fight for the imperium, so there is potentially more than 12 great companies roaming around. The great wolf having rebuilt the company from new recruits, effectively doubling them.

 Hellebore wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

This dumb fanfiction by 'my legiun is da biggest' grade SW fans really needs to die. Not only Russ accepted Codex, they barely have 2-3 thousand of SM, and lost tons of stuff in failed foundings and ineptly waged campaigns. That and the fact medieval worlds with tiny population don't tend to be industrial powerhouses.

umm ok you're completely wrong.

by the heresy the space wolves where at about 95,000 - 100,000 space marines, not "only 2-3 thousand" and in the modern times having 2-3 thousand space marines is "pretty damn big" given that a codex chapter is only 1000 marines in size. and russ DIDN'T accept the codex. the space wolves aren't remotely orginized along codex lines.

And the Black Templars are running around with potentially even more than this anyway. So the space wolves aren't even that special. And they don't seem to count scouts against chapter numbers so most marine chapters are going to be over 1000 anyway.

Space wolves have always been the odd ones out since 2nd ed and while I don't like the exceptionalism and specialisness going overboard, it's not a new thing for them to ignore the codex and/or its size restrictions.

There was even WD articles about rogue great companies that broke ties with the Fang, but still fight for the imperium, so there is potentially more than 12 great companies roaming around. The great wolf having rebuilt the company from new recruits, effectively doubling them.

ohh yeah don't get me wrong I find people running around claiming space wolves are thousands strong with each great company being as strong as a marine chapter to be....... absurd, but claiming russ accepted the codex? yeaaah no.

Everyone is talking like Matt Ward didn't write the most fluff broken faction chapter in existence, the Grey Knights. They literally have weapons the rest of the universe won't discover for centuries. Or relics STCs that have been lost. They're base level troops carry stuff that would be a Chapter Relic status in any other Chapter. Save for the other completely Fluff broken Faction, the Death Watch, who routinely use weapons that are either forbidden from existing (Xenotech) or just straight up don't exist anywhere else (Heavy THs and Their weird plane) It's not even close. Both are funded by the single richest organization in the imperium, the church, unless you count the Ad-Mech, which aren't Astartes, so who cares. Only Custodians carry better weapons than the GK.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
the Grey Knights. They literally have weapons the rest of the universe won't discover for centuries.

.. such as?

Surely its ultra marines.

1. Their leader and primarch is THE leader and primarch of the IOM.

2. He can literly order the IOM and Cawl to make sure the ultras are the best supplied (and I'm pretty sure he does because why would he not)

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Everyone is talking like Matt Ward didn't write the most fluff broken faction chapter in existence, the Grey Knights. They literally have weapons the rest of the universe won't discover for centuries. Or relics STCs that have been lost. They're base level troops carry stuff that would be a Chapter Relic status in any other Chapter. Save for the other completely Fluff broken Faction, the Death Watch, who routinely use weapons that are either forbidden from existing (Xenotech) or just straight up don't exist anywhere else (Heavy THs and Their weird plane) It's not even close. Both are funded by the single richest organization in the imperium, the church, unless you count the Ad-Mech, which aren't Astartes, so who cares. Only Custodians carry better weapons than the GK.

Not gonna lie, for someone who is in the background section you get a lot of the fluff consistently wrong. I'm not sure if you're getting too much info from 1d4chan or something but like BrianDavion noted, that's not true at all that the GK have tech that the rest of the universe won't "discover" for centuries. Eldar and Necrons are far beyond what the GK can muster technologically, so I highly doubt somehow the GK have something that they lack or can't make an equivalent of.

Also, I don't see how the DW are fluff-broken at all? They're basically Xenos Hunters formed from volunteers from various chapters, they have some specialized wargear, but I don't see how that makes them any different from the other specialized marine forces (I mean Dark Angels have their own specific flyers, as do Space Wolves). You're also wrong that they're directly funded by the Ecclessiarchy, given that marines are largely independent from the monolithic entities of the Imperium. Only the Sisters of Battle are explicitly funded by the church since the Decree Passive forces the Ecclessiarchy to not having any standing army that is male. I'd argue that the GK and DW are both semi-independent and largely funded moreso by their respective Ordos.

Has to be Grey Knights.
1. As others have previously mentioned, every GK has the equivalent to a Relic Force Weapon and a Storm Bolter.
2. When an initiate has completed their 50 years of training and is promoted to full battle-brother they are given a suit of Terminator Armor.
3. Additionally they use Interceptor Jump Packs to perform micro-teleportation jumps.
4. Nemesis Dreadknights (while many consider ugly) are decades beyond Centurion suits.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Everyone is talking like Matt Ward didn't write the most fluff broken faction chapter in existence, the Grey Knights. They literally have weapons the rest of the universe won't discover for centuries. Or relics STCs that have been lost. They're base level troops carry stuff that would be a Chapter Relic status in any other Chapter. Save for the other completely Fluff broken Faction, the Death Watch, who routinely use weapons that are either forbidden from existing (Xenotech) or just straight up don't exist anywhere else (Heavy THs and Their weird plane) It's not even close. Both are funded by the single richest organization in the imperium, the church, unless you count the Ad-Mech, which aren't Astartes, so who cares. Only Custodians carry better weapons than the GK.

Grey Knights have had that base level of equipment since Rogue Trader.

Guardian spears are kinda like the force halberds that Grey Knights used to carry, big-knives-onnna-stick-with-built-in-bang-box.

For codex Chapter, it should be Imperial Fist, as Solar system serves as their main base. If you count everything, then I believe it should be Grey Knight, since they are the Imperium only effective way to deal with daemon.

Grey knights, even in their codex it says they are better equipped than other space marine chapters. that doesn't mean they have access to every unit available to marines since the job they do is so narrowly focused. however they fall under the authority of the inquisition(who usually get whatever they need).they are also based in the SOL system, giving them access to the forges of mars.

 aphyon wrote:
Grey knights, even in their codex it says they are better equipped than other space marine chapters. that doesn't mean they have access to every unit available to marines since the job they do is so narrowly focused. however they fall under the authority of the inquisition(who usually get whatever they need).they are also based in the SOL system, giving them access to the forges of mars.

Does Mars know the Grey Knights exist? I thought they were supplied from Deimos (their own private FW)?

Well i was thinking more mars by way of the emperors holy inquisition. but yeah they have that(Deimos) to.

Neophyte2012 wrote:
For codex Chapter, it should be Imperial Fist, as Solar system serves as their main base.

they also lost a LOT of relic wargear when they where wiped out to a man