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Don't forget that in this preview they are confirming that MPH are still available in three model groups.

* Even Myphitic Blight-haulers will be Remorseless, making a tri-lobe unit of three models a safer option than before.

They mentioned that this will also apply to Trilobes of blighthaulers.

So that’s A) still a thing and B) still a rule with some sort of impact on the unit of 3?

Not that I have ever had or see blighthaulers be affected by morale ever. You’d have to apply a -2 to even begin making them vulnerable, right?

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
They mentioned that this will also apply to Trilobes of blighthaulers.

So that’s A) still a thing and B) still a rule with some sort of impact on the unit of 3?

Not that I have ever had or see blighthaulers be affected by morale ever. You’d have to apply a -2 to even begin making them vulnerable, right?

Considering that they are multi-wound you are usually hard pressed to ever need to take a test on them. Add to that LD of 8 and I find this scenario preposterous.

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
They mentioned that this will also apply to Trilobes of blighthaulers.

So that’s A) still a thing and B) still a rule with some sort of impact on the unit of 3?

Not that I have ever had or see blighthaulers be affected by morale ever. You’d have to apply a -2 to even begin making them vulnerable, right?

Well, it's the attrition text, not the initial moral check, where they ignore modifiers.

There are not a lot of rules that modify attrition. There's a Space Marine WL trait that gives -1 I believe, but nobody will ever take it when you have stuff like Rites of War

I imagine then that Contagion will be previewed Friday and is what GW considers to be the biggest change to the army.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
I am so glad morale rules are so much more meaningful in 9th now compared to 8th

Well, you need to sit back and think for a minute what this rule actually does.

1) In case you have lost enough models to both fail a moral test and be below starting strength and you have more than one model left, you halve the chance of losing additional models.
2) Screws over anyone who actually brought an attrition test modifier and tried to play around morale *waves at the nightlords players out there*

The most important info to come out of that preview is that "Death Guard Possessed" will have their own datasheet.

Yeah. Either way, it'll never matter for Blighthaulers outside of shafting future morale modifying abilities (nu-Night Lords?).

Assuming Haulers are at least LD 7, of course (and leaked dataasheet says they remain at 8).

You lose one model, the unit cannot fail the morale test.

You lose two models and fail the moral test on a 6, the last model is removed for the morale test and no attrition test would even be made before the unit is wiped.

So Death Guard get atsknf? That has been a complaint for a while in comparing the Legions to loyalists. Personally, I preferred it when we just had naturally higher leadership to offset that. Be interesting to see if this kind of rule is given to other Legions.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
I am so glad morale rules are so much more meaningful in 9th now compared to 8th

No kidding.

Please stop with the "Scary Marines" meme rules for Night Lords gw, please.

Also nice to see MBH can still squadron.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Considering that they are multi-wound you are usually hard pressed to ever need to take a test on them. Add to that LD of 8 and I find this scenario preposterous. Remorseless just means they are immune at this point.

Remorseless doesn't affect the one moral casualty they will take no matter what.

I don't see this rule every impacting anything unless I'm running plague marine or possessed mobs of 20

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Disgustingly Resilient is being shown tomorrow, which confirms that it is being changed.

Does it?

It COULD equally also just be a confirmation it's still the same? These articles are about selling to new collectors as well as existing players so it's not ridiculous they would dedicate an article to an unchanged rule and one of the key features of the army. I'm not saying that it is or isn't, I suppose i'm just saying let's not count our squigs before they've hatched.

I agree it may not be likely it's gone unchanged but that's purely speculation.


Remorselessness. I won't complain its there, it can be useful now and then without doubt so i'm grateful even but it certainly didn't put a fire in my loins on its todd. CSM should all have ATSKNF stock anyway.

Semper wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Disgustingly Resilient is being shown tomorrow, which confirms that it is being changed.

Does it?

It COULD equally also just be a confirmation it's still the same? These articles are about selling to new collectors as well as existing players so it's not ridiculous they would dedicate an article to an unchanged rule and one of the key features of the army. I'm not saying that it is or isn't, I suppose i'm just saying let's not count our squigs before they've hatched.

I agree it may not be likely it's gone unchanged but that's purely speculation.

At the top of every article it explicitly says that there are five key changes to DG rules and we get five days of previews. If DR is the subject of tomorrow's, I'd say that confirms it's changed

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Semper wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Disgustingly Resilient is being shown tomorrow, which confirms that it is being changed.

Does it?

It COULD equally also just be a confirmation it's still the same? These articles are about selling to new collectors as well as existing players so it's not ridiculous they would dedicate an article to an unchanged rule and one of the key features of the army. I'm not saying that it is or isn't, I suppose i'm just saying let's not count our squigs before they've hatched.

I agree it may not be likely it's gone unchanged but that's purely speculation.

At the top of every article it explicitly says that there are five key changes to DG rules and we get five days of previews. If DR is the subject of tomorrow's, I'd say that confirms it's changed

Excellent. Thank you for pointing that out. Bring on the change.

Like the changes to Plague weapons?

Night Lords may get the equivalent in the Morale Phase of the Nightbringer’s “ignore all rules that say to ignore this rule” bit.

Because an arms race of escalating “ignore that” rules with constant priority assigning FAQs is very, very GW.

 Jidmah wrote:
Like the changes to Plague weapons?

Plague Weapons weren't the subject of that preview; Deadly Pathogens were. If DR is the subject of tomorrow's, it's almost certainly changed

Something else I just noticed:

All of the Core Death Guard Infantry units – namely Plague Marines, Death Guard Possessed, Blightlord Terminators, and Deathshroud Terminators

So Possessed apparently are CORE.

It goes on:

With Toughness 5 and multiple Wounds apiece, not to mention the effects of Disgustingly Resilient (more on that tomorrow!), these models are hard enough to kill in the first place.

They also seem to have T5.

 Jidmah wrote:

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It goes on:

With Toughness 5 and multiple Wounds apiece, not to mention the effects of Disgustingly Resilient (more on that tomorrow!), these models are hard enough to kill in the first place.

So possessed also seem to have T5.

That was already confirmed in November.

Grandfather Nurgle has also blessed them with an extra point of Toughness as well as granting them the Remorseless and Contagions of Nurgle abilities.

They were smart enough not to publish their other pages this time. If you edit the URL to part-4-disgustingly-resilient, you get a 404.

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:Night Lords may get the equivalent in the Morale Phase of the Nightbringer’s “ignore all rules that say to ignore this rule” bit.

Because an arms race of escalating “ignore that” rules with constant priority assigning FAQs is very, very GW.

Ugh, please just no. Just drop the Scary Marines meme and focus on their dirty fighting and disruption tactics. That's all I'm saying on the matter here, as this thread is about Death Guard, not Night Lords.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
Considering that they are multi-wound you are usually hard pressed to ever need to take a test on them. Add to that LD of 8 and I find this scenario preposterous. Remorseless just means they are immune at this point.

Remorseless doesn't affect the one moral casualty they will take no matter what.

I don't see this rule every impacting anything unless I'm running plague marine or possessed mobs of 20

Yes, my bad.

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Somebody already pointed it out and I was too lazy to ready every post

The change to DR could just be that more units have it.

Take this with a pinch (or even a tub) of salt. A rep said the US warehouse is almost 2 weeks behind in shipping out orders and sometimes the packers just mark stuff out of stock because they don't want to go all the way to the back to get an item when fulfilling an order. Also the reason DG was delayed was to give the warehouse time to catch up on all the old orders.

I am in a Blood Bowl group and a lot of US based posters still have yet to receive their new boxed set, so they are definitely having some issues over there.

Regarding the Death Guard they really do seem like they are going to be a pretty strong army, I am liking most of what has been revealed thus far.

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
Night Lords may get the equivalent in the Morale Phase of the Nightbringer’s “ignore all rules that say to ignore this rule” bit.

Because an arms race of escalating “ignore that” rules with constant priority assigning FAQs is very, very GW.

Can't wait for the eventual unit that "ignores all rules that say to ignores rules that ignore any or all modifiers to attrition tests"

Yep. There's already obsec and super obsec so why not extra scary guys that ignore not-scared rules

tneva82 wrote:
Yep. There's already obsec and super obsec so why not extra scary guys that ignore not-scared rules

The easiest solution is to add an Objective Value for how much the individual model counts as contesting objectives. Thats too hard for GW to figure out though.

 Virules wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
It honestly should be a 6+++ unless they severely jack the cost of units up, which I think would be worse.

I'd say it's even odds one way or the other lol

If the idea is to make a historically bad army a lot better, then it wouldn't do much good to improve the units only to jack up all their point costs at the same time.

I'm not trying to argue against whats logical, I am just making predictions based on the track record.

GW has proven that even with the best intentions they cannot get this mammoth of a system into a state of balance or fair. I'd go as far as to say it's not even possible to begin with.




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 Gadzilla666 wrote:

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:Night Lords may get the equivalent in the Morale Phase of the Nightbringer’s “ignore all rules that say to ignore this rule” bit.

Because an arms race of escalating “ignore that” rules with constant priority assigning FAQs is very, very GW.

Ugh, please just no. Just drop the Scary Marines meme and focus on their dirty fighting and disruption tactics. That's all I'm saying on the matter here, as this thread is about Death Guard, not Night Lords.

I mean, pretty much everything about them is a bad meme. Pick one, scary marines, we LoVe RapToRs or we are a bunch of dinks that only engage with under strength depleted enemies? The third one is basically cheating, hey I get to play 2k at 1k level games lol. So it's probably one of the other two. I could also see a rule where they get +1 to hit in melee if they outnumber the enemy, but again, that would be a terrible meme rule.

I always loved the look and idea of nightlords until I read into their shticks, then I kind of hated them lol. They were *this close* to being the stealthy marines instead of alpha legion but then they had to ignite their armor with lightning

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Virules wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
It honestly should be a 6+++ unless they severely jack the cost of units up, which I think would be worse.

I'd say it's even odds one way or the other lol

If the idea is to make a historically bad army a lot better, then it wouldn't do much good to improve the units only to jack up all their point costs at the same time.

I'm not trying to argue against whats logical, I am just making predictions based on the track record.

GW has proven that even with the best intentions they cannot get this mammoth of a system into a state of balance or fair. I'd go as far as to say it's not even possible to begin with.

I feel like 9th has done a lot to bring the game more in line, the core C:SM book is pretty solid even if the older supplements are still opening things up to be abused, and we saw them reign things in via CA.

That said, I'm more keen on Crusade and not trying to see where I place in the ITC so maybe my head isn't where it needs to be to be so negative about it.

Don't confuse honest pragmatism with negativity. I actually really like the game, and realize I will be engaging with another person so there is a necessary social contract to draw up between us. Well, at least if we both aim to enjoy the game we have to the fullest.

I also realize that to expect significant balance from thousands upon thousands of overlapping, stacking and variable costed rules slow dripped for release over time is a pipe dream without said social engagement.

GW knows this too.